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Xpeng’s City XNGP is their equivalent of #Tesla’s #FSD beta
We have another try of City XNGP while have a chat about XNGP
Watch our #Xpeng City XNGP video here:
https://youtu.be/KjYQmR8tj-Q#FSD #XPEV #XNGP #FSDbeta #TSLA #EV #car #tech #technology #ADAS #selfdriving
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Snagged a recording of FSD & how awful it is (FSD Beta 11.3.6).
This is worse than any permitted driver I have helped learn to drive.
https://youtube.com/shorts/Q1Y_xbKF9Ik
YT made it a short and that's unfortunate - so dig a bit and find the details
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У Tesla знову проблеми з регуляторами — через прихований «режим Ілона», який активує автопілот без рук на кермі https://itc.ua/ua/novini/regulyatory-vymagayut-vid-tesla-zvitu-pro-vykorystannya-rezhymu-ilona-sekretnoyi-funktsiyi-shho-dozvolyaye-vykorystovuvaty-avtopilot-bez-ruk/ #FullSelf-Driving #Електромобілі #Autopilot #Автопилот #TeslaFSD #ІлонМаск #FSDBeta #Новини #Tesla #Авто
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Elon Musk Talks FSD 12 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvMe3FVTknU #tesla #fsdbeta
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@kentindell @chrisoffner3d In fact, I see quite a bit of similarities between what Chris has mentioned in the post cited below and the extremely dangerous assumptions that #Tesla has been using to underpin their #FSDBeta program - namely, the so-called "generalized self-driving" (no defined Operational Design Domain).
The Tesla #Autopilot Team has always embraced a very primitive safety strategy that they try to sell as "validation" - if I am being generous.
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I think also, tangentially, it speaks to the difficulty (or near-impossibility) that systems safety experts have had (over the last 6-7 years or so) in punching through the “#AI” hype in scrutinizing so-called “self driving-cars” - and people have died due to that.
This is especially true with respect to #Tesla’s #FSDBeta program where Tesla customers (and some prominent members of the #MachineLearning Community) are convinced that legitimate science is being conducted on public roadways.
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Another day, another extremely dangerous lie by #Musk that drives human driver complacency and that will result in completely avoidable death and injury.
#Tesla vehicles, at no time, can “drive themselves”.
#FSDBeta-active vehicles are not capable of “driving themselves”.
Quoting @adamjcook:
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#Tesla hand-waves this #HumanFactors fact as well on their official Autopilot product website, as shown below.
That “relaxation”, that “workload reduction” you might feel when using #Autopilot or #FSDBeta?
Guess what that *really* is?
Complacency.
Deadly complacency.
And it strikes when you least expect it, when the vehicle suddenly encounters a failure and it takes you an additional second or three to regain situational and operational awareness.
Tesla washes its hands of that though.
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Now, let’s look at the underlying #SystemsSafety part.
#Autopilot and #FSDBeta-equipped vehicles are Level 2-capable vehicles - with the exact same *limitations* as many other vehicles on the market today.
Namely, the key limitation is that the human driver must remain the fallback for any dynamic driving task or vehicle failures at all times and under all conditions.
Effectively, that means that the human has the exact same control responsibilities between the two vehicles shown below.
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First off, let us look at #Tesla’s “official” statement, from their website, as to the *true* limitations of #Autopilot and the #FSDBeta products.
Hmm. That does not sound like Tesla itself is confident that their vehicles can drive themselves at any time. 🤔
Because the vehicles cannot.
But #Musk and Tesla play this dangerous, deceptive mind game with the public - and it is indeed a mind game.
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#Musk’s completely unsupported and unhinged promises of future therapies, treatments or prosthetic devices enabled by his #Neuralink firm and this #Tesla “#Optimus” humanoid robotics project is pretty damn disgusting.
A new, disgusting low.
Even relative to Tesla’s vast #Autopilot and #FSDBeta wrongdoings, which is saying something.
This man lies like he breathes.
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#Musk’s completely unsupported and unhinged promises of future therapies, treatments or prosthetic devices enabled by his #Neuralink firm and this #Tesla “#Optimus” humanoid robotics project is pretty damn disgusting.
A new, disgusting low.
Even relative to Tesla’s vast #Autopilot and #FSDBeta wrongdoings, which is saying something.
This man lies like he breathes.
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@Daojoan #Musk briefly blocked me, as a matter of fact.
(Marc blocked me too, in response to his “It’s Time to Build” essay IIRC.)
This was back around 2016 when #Tesla first really launched its #FSDBeta wrongdoings. Musk was far less followed back then (and Twitter was far less “noisy”).
I **think** Musk was later forced (by court order?) to unblock a lot of people because he was routinely sharing investor information on his Twitter account - so he unblocked me at some point.
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@lolgop Constantly. Constantly this is done.
It is beyond exhausting.
And it has actually proved to be extraordinarily dangerous when #Musk lies about the capabilities and availability of #Tesla's #FSDBeta product, in particular.
The press often allows Wall Street analysts, that are not competent in #SafetyCritical systems, to advance Musk's dangerous lies.
The #SystemsSafety community has been battling this for years.
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@annmlipton And here is one of the chief reasons why the #NHTSA does not challenge a dead-obvious public safety catastrophe like #Tesla’s #FSDBeta experiment.
They simply do not have to resources for a protracted legal battle with #Musk without sufficient political backing.
Musk will exhaust every avenue to maintain his wrongdoings and his future ability to expand them.
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Sure... I mean... to a certain degree... whatever.
#Twitter is *his* platform now (and is being used to project his hateful ideology and to advance his political interests).
That is a given now.
But the lying with this man.
It is simply incredible.
I have been dealing with it for years with respect to #Tesla's #FSDBeta program, but a chief executive that lies as much as #Musk, in operational control of several firms manufacturing safety-critical systems... it really makes one think.
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@hosford42 Indeed.
Still, there is still a fair amount of historical technical threads I liked to refer to once and a while on there.
And I also like to keep an eye on #Tesla’s #FSDBeta wrongdoings via the clips that Tesla supporters post there.
Not a deal-breaker as nothing will ever compel me to rejoin Twitter, but a bit painful.
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If you have followed my previous threads on the matter, I have spent months tearing down the "#FSDBeta Safety Facade" that #Tesla likes to portray.
Tesla is not maintaining a systems safety lifecycle with respect to their FSD Beta program.
And, per my Toots above, that fact can also be readily seen in the almost schizophrenic, covert vehicle hardware changes that Tesla has been forced to make over the years.
By my count, 3 or 4 major hardware changes since 2016 (when FSD Beta was announced).
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I suppose, first, it should be recognized that the design intent for #Tesla vehicles (via the #FSDBeta program) remains entirely unclear. #Musk himself has bounced all over the place in vaguely describing the ultimate capabilities of these vehicles, only to be contradicted by his own engineers in court.
Whereas with #Waymo and #Cruise vehicles, the design intent is clearly one which embraces a no human driver fallback requirement within a well-defined, limited Operational Design Domain (ODD).
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What do I mean by "unseen" issues?
Please consider reviewing another one of my past threads on that: https://mastodon.social/@adamjcook/110162950844417313
Such issues are firmly within the scope of #Tesla's responsibilities, whether Tesla wants to accept that or not.
And Tesla is completely (unquantifiably) blind to them given the conduct of this #FSDBeta program.
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Remember: YouTube videos and personal testimonials can **never** show positive safety progress in the context of a #SafetyCritical system.
Never.
Videos and personal testimonials can only display safety-related **issues**.
And even with organized efforts by many prominent #FSDBeta "testers" in the #Tesla community to only publish what they feel are the most visually-performant drives... I have never seen a video that did not contain serious safety-related issues (many which are "unseen").
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Caught this Twitter Space segment yesterday which puts a finer point on my Mastodon thread from yesterday: https://mastodon.social/@adamjcook/110616834664093201
Ross Gerber, a prominent #Tesla investor and advocate that was featured in my previous thread is clearly angry that his #FSDBeta-active vehicle was observed in displaying some highly-compromising behaviors.
This conversation is telling because we have really reached the "next stage" of this vast Tesla wrongdoing - organized collusion outside of Tesla.
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@MisterMadge The assumption that some in the pro-#Tesla camp are making (the best that I understand it) is that:
1. The #FSDBeta-active vehicle would not have run the stop sign; and/or
2. The white SUV already in the intersection "cut" the FSD Beta-active vehicle off which created an "artificial" disengagement.If any assumption must be made here it is that the Tesla vehicle would have blown the stop sign and collided with the white SUV vehicle.
There is nothing else to go on.
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Here is what Ross (the driver of the #FSDBeta-active vehicle) stated after Dan O'Dowd published this video clip.
This is exactly what I am talking about.
How can the #Tesla vehicle be capable of "self-driving" if the human driver must remain the fallback **at all times and under all circumstances**?
Do people not understand the meaning of the word "self"?
Ross apparently does not.
So, this "test operator" cannot even define the capabilities of the vehicle that they are operating...🤔
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Now, after Dan O'Dowd published the above video, all kinds of #Tesla vehicle owners are rushing to this exact same area in order to "test" it for themselves (to see if their vehicles attempt to run the same stop sign).
All that does is multiply the danger to the public.
And for what?
We **already know**, again, that the #FSDBeta program is unsafe.
All this "testing" is pointless.
And dangerous!
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The other thing here is that Dan O'Dowd, as a individual that has claimed to be advocating for the public's safety, should not have participated in this #FSDBeta-active drive.
There was no public safety upside here.
Zero.
None.
Only a downside.
The drive shown above revealed nothing that was not known before.
The #FSDBeta program is unsafe because, at the very least, individuals like Ross Gerber are not under a well-maintained Safety Management System when operating these "test" vehicles.
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Alright. A few background notes.
With respect to #SafetyCritical systems, "positive assumptions of safety" are incompatible with the analysis of these systems - particularly by those outside of a systems safety lifecycle.
#Tesla is included here as well since, per my previous threads on the matter, Tesla is not maintaining a systems safety lifecycle with their #FSDBeta program.
The assumption **must** be made that the Tesla vehicle would have blown the stop sign.
Case closed on that.
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The video above was extracted from the Tweet shown below.
If you do not know the players involved here...
Ross Gerber is the individual driving this #Tesla vehicle. Ross is an ardent Tesla supporter, Tesla investor and a prominent voice within the Tesla Community.
Dan O'Dowd is the individual in the passenger seat. Dan is the creator of The Dawn Project which primarily targets Tesla's #FSDBeta program in terms of what it perceives as its public safety issues.
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I was at #Chicago Pride all weekend while visiting with my wife (videos and photos soon!), so I missed this #Tesla Drama concerning #FSDBeta that erupted.
Ok.
Let us, again, all put on our #SystemsSafety hats and take a look at the situation here as I understand it.
Below is the video that kicked the beehive between Tesla defenders and detractors on "what really happened?".
This clearly chaotic video was taken from a larger drive sequence in which FSD Beta was active.
🧵👇
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@BruceMirken This is the same Bad Faith shit that us in the #SystemsSafety community have been dealing with on the #Tesla #Autopilot and #FSDBeta wrongdoings for years.
I am not going to lecture Dr. Hotez on how to deal with this... but I can say this... the strategy on the #Musk-side and of his sycophants is to **passionately pretend** like they want to have a Good Faith debate... but they are just looking for "gotcha soundbites".
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Efficiently and reliably extracting "safety data" from the roadway is a non-starter.
It simply cannot be done.
Why?
Because the only "safety data" that actually matters for this conversation is "data" that is **forensically** extracted from all interactions with a #FSDBeta-active vehicle - **both** direct and indirect interactions.
No one has that.
Not even close.
Not even #Tesla.
Zero chance.
Numbers on a page are not important to #SystemsSafety.
The root causes are!
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I am almost starting to get the feeling that we, the public and the #SystemsSafety community, are being trolled by these #Tesla #FSDBeta YouTube titles.
Perhaps gaslighted is a better term?
Anyways, yup, "safety" on display here all right...
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Really thinking of just dropping #Reddit, for what it is worth.
Dropped my profile off my Mastodon bio.
Reddit management is giving me serious #Musk vibes lately and I have been getting follow spammed 4-5 times daily for the last two weeks.
Met a lot of great technical and #SystemsSafety experts on there though - mostly through pushing back against #Tesla's #Autopilot and #FSDBeta wrongdoings.
I suppose that work continues here now...
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Presumably, the individual in the article activated #FSDBeta.
Yes, I understand what the full name of that product is called, but there is no need to expand it.
Do not assist #Tesla and #Musk in their lies.
Additionally, I would argue that it is an ethical responsibility to note that these vehicles are not capable of “driving themselves”, at the very least.
The #SystemsSafety community has spent **years** publishing open content on these matters.
Gotta pay attention.
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The second issue is that the #J3016 has large capability "gaps" between each level which invites the construction of certain "marketing language" that is not included in the standard.
You can see but one example in the Tweet above ("Level 2+").
These designations are invented because, for example, while a #FSDBeta-equipped vehicle **is** a Level 2-capable vehicle, the ADS has some Object and Event Detection and Response (OEDR) capabilities - which is a capability associated with Level 3.
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Tesla’s “Full Self-Driving” sees pedestrian, chooses not to slow down - Enlarge / This Tesla can clearly detect the pedestrian as they appear o... - https://arstechnica.com/?p=1939477 #partiallyautomateddriving #trafficsafety #self-driving #teslafsd #fsdbeta #tesla #cars
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It is just like the lack of effective auto regulation in the US (supposed to be maintained by yet another ineffective US regulator - the #NHTSA) and how #Tesla exploits that via its #Autopilot and #FSDBeta programs.
It is just like #NCAP testing eclipsing what should be proper auto regulation via validation process oversight.
Regulatory “illusions” designed to trick the public into thinking there is a cop on the beat.
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Ok. No.
These two #AutomatedDriving systems (a #Tesla vehicle equipped with #FSDBeta and a #Waymo vehicle) are not at all comparable.
I debated internally to even post this video (because I did not want to encourage this type of "testing" in the future), but ultimately decided to due to serious #PublicSafety concerns.
Let me explain...
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One of the major misconceptions with #AutomatedDriving systems is that they are an "AI".
But they are not.
They are #SafetyCritical systems.
Such systems carry additional burdens that are foreign to more consumer/business-level #MachineLearning systems - in particular, the need to exhaustively quantify "the unseen" through objective analysis.
It is something that, most notably, #Tesla fails to recognize with respect to their #FSDBeta program, likely by design.
Let's explore two examples.
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The thinking in Kyle's Tweet would not be so notable *except* that this is a very common refrain in the #AutomatedDriving space - particularly in the context of #Tesla's #FSDBeta program.
#Musk nods at it often.
That is, something that I refer to as "Made It Assessments" - a complete assessment of the reliability of an automated vehicle is made only with personal experiences or videos simply because the vehicle appears not to cause harm over some route.
The vehicle "made it" (to the end).
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Tesla begins the rollout of FSD Beta v11.3.3 (2022.45.12) with expected bug fixes in the previous version
https://www.teslaoracle.com/2023/03/25/tesla-begins-the-rollout-of-fsd-beta-v11-3-3-2022-45-12-after-fixing-bugs-in-the-previous-version/
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Tesla FSD Beta v11.3.2 (2022.45.11) wide release starts rolling out, watch the initial tests
https://www.teslaoracle.com/2023/03/20/tesla-fsd-beta-v11-3-2-2022-45-11-wide-release-is-rolling-out-watch-the-initial-tests/
#SoftwareUpdates #Autopilot(FSD) #FSDBetaV11 #ChuckCook #FSDBeta #Videos #2022xx #News -
#Safety is a word that is tossed around like a cheap suit these days - particularly in the context of #AutomatedDriving systems and, more typically, in white hot topics like #Tesla's #FSDBeta program.
But what is "safety" (or “#SystemsSafety”, terminology that I prefer to use)?
How is it defined?
This thread is probably overdue given the immense amount of incorrect and strawman arguments that I see out there on this topic - and that has real-world ramifications.
Let us explore very briefly.
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Tesla rolls out FSD Beta 11.3.1 (2022.45.10) to limited external beta testers, watch the first impression videos
https://www.teslaoracle.com/2023/03/10/tesla-rolls-out-fsd-beta-11-3-12022-45-10-to-limited-external-beta-testers-watch-the-first-impression-videos/
#SoftwareUpdates #Autopilot(FSD) #ReleaseNotes #FSDBetaV11 #ChuckCook #FSDBeta #Videos #News -
Release Notes of FSD Beta 11.3 get leaked as it gets rolled out to Tesla early access employees
https://www.teslaoracle.com/2023/02/20/release-notes-of-fsd-beta-11-3-get-leaked-as-it-gets-rolled-out-to-tesla-early-access-employees/
#SoftwareUpdates #Autopilot(FSD) #ReleaseNotes #FSDBetaV11 #TeslaNews #FSDBeta #2022xx #News -
The safety regulators issued a recall affecting 362,000 cars, but it also highlights the shortcomings of the current recall system.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkg7ek/us-gov-says-tesla-self-driving-may-cause-crashes-issues-recall
#Tesla #FSDBeta #Recall #autosafety #elonmusk #nhtsa #Moveable -
Older Tesla Model S/X owners with MCU1 are reportedly getting the FSD Beta request button with the 2022.8.10.8 update
https://www.teslaoracle.com/2022/12/09/older-tesla-model-s-x-owners-with-mcu1-are-reportedly-getting-the-fsd-beta-request-button-with-the-2022-8-10-8-update/
#SoftwareUpdates #Autopilot(FSD) #TeslaLeaks #TeslaNews #FSDBeta #News -
Tesla rolls out FSD Beta 10.69.3.1, V11 release pushed to December (test videos)
https://www.teslaoracle.com/2022/11/22/tesla-rolls-out-fsd-beta-10-69-3-1-v11-release-pushed-to-december-test-videos/
#SoftwareUpdates #Autopilot(FSD) #FSDBetaV10 #FSDBetaV11 #ChuckCook #FSDBeta #Videos #News -
FSD Beta V11 partial release notes mention single stack for highways only, Smart Summon to come next month, says Musk
https://www.teslaoracle.com/2022/11/12/fsd-beta-v11-release-notes-single-stack-highways-only-smart-summon-next-month-musk/
#SoftwareUpdates #Autopilot(FSD) #ReleaseNotes #singlestack #SmartSummon #FSDBetaV11 #FSDBeta #News