#fep_5624 — Public Fediverse posts

@Julian Fietkau

Exactly because racism isn't solved with the flick of a switch, we need to make improvements where we can. Block lists and reply controls in Mastodon won't eliminate racism from the fediverse, but they can make some people's time here somewhat (or a lot) better.

Only if Mastodon devs consult with the rest of the Fediverse instead of surprising everyone with a solution that's incompatible with just about everything else.

See quote-posts and the quote-post opt-in. Mastodon's solution supposes that the whole Fediverse is Mastodon or at least works like Mastodon.

Users on Mastodon 4.5 or newer can set any of their posts to un-quote-post-able. But still, anyone on Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Calckey, Firefish, CherryPick, Sharkey, Iceshrimp, Catodon, Mitra, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams), Forte etc. can quote-post these self-same un-quote-post-able posts with zero resistance.

At the same time, users on Mastodon 4.5 or newer cannot quote-post anything that doesn't come from Mastodon because Mastodon expects there to be its own proprietary, non-standard quote-post opt-in.

It's easy from a Mastodon point of view to consider Mastodon the one and only gold standard in the Fediverse and point fingers at the non-Mastodon Fediverse. But don't forget that Friendica has had quote-posts for five and a half years longer than Mastodon has even existed and for over 15 years longer than Mastodon has had them.

By the way, while I don't know about Friendica, Hubzilla has reply control. It has had it probably since 2012. It has reply control features that go way beyond what even the Mastodon devs can imagine, much less what's technologically possible on Mastodon. And (streams) and Forte manage to go even further than their ancestor Hubzilla in terms of reply control.

So Mastodon will not introduce reply control to the Fediverse. It can't expect everything else in the Fediverse to adopt its own reply control technology, much less throw out their existing reply control technology in favour of Mastodon's.

There used to be FEP-5624 that was actually proposed by a Mastodon dev. There was a lenghty discussion about this FEP draft that involved devs from all across the Fediverse, even the Hubzilla creator and (streams) and Forte maintainer. However, the FEP draft was probably abandoned in 2023 already and withdrawn two weeks ago.

The lesson learned for Mastodon may be that first introducing a FEP and discussing it in the community and with devs of stuff that's nothing like Mastodon leads nowhere, and the only way to get things done is to first build it into Mastodon, then maybe try to make it into a FEP and then demand the whole rest of the Fediverse adopt it or face being branded as broken by design.

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@Julian Fietkau

Exactly because racism isn't solved with the flick of a switch, we need to make improvements where we can. Block lists and reply controls in Mastodon won't eliminate racism from the fediverse, but they can make some people's time here somewhat (or a lot) better.

Only if Mastodon devs consult with the rest of the Fediverse instead of surprising everyone with a solution that's incompatible with just about everything else.

See quote-posts and the quote-post opt-in. Mastodon's solution supposes that the whole Fediverse is Mastodon or at least works like Mastodon.

Users on Mastodon 4.5 or newer can set any of their posts to un-quote-post-able. But still, anyone on Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Calckey, Firefish, CherryPick, Sharkey, Iceshrimp, Catodon, Mitra, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams), Forte etc. can quote-post these self-same un-quote-post-able posts with zero resistance.

At the same time, users on Mastodon 4.5 or newer cannot quote-post anything that doesn't come from Mastodon because Mastodon expects there to be its own proprietary, non-standard quote-post opt-in.

It's easy from a Mastodon point of view to consider Mastodon the one and only gold standard in the Fediverse and point fingers at the non-Mastodon Fediverse. But don't forget that Friendica has had quote-posts for five and a half years longer than Mastodon has even existed and for over 15 years longer than Mastodon has had them.

By the way, while I don't know about Friendica, Hubzilla has reply control. It has had it probably since 2012. It has reply control features that go way beyond what even the Mastodon devs can imagine, much less what's technologically possible on Mastodon. And (streams) and Forte manage to go even further than their ancestor Hubzilla in terms of reply control.

So Mastodon will not introduce reply control to the Fediverse. It can't expect everything else in the Fediverse to adopt its own reply control technology, much less throw out their existing reply control technology in favour of Mastodon's.

There used to be FEP-5624 that was actually proposed by a Mastodon dev. There was a lenghty discussion about this FEP draft that involved devs from all across the Fediverse, even the Hubzilla creator and (streams) and Forte maintainer. However, the FEP draft was probably abandoned in 2023 already and withdrawn two weeks ago.

The lesson learned for Mastodon may be that first introducing a FEP and discussing it in the community and with devs of stuff that's nothing like Mastodon leads nowhere, and the only way to get things done is to first build it into Mastodon, then maybe try to make it into a FEP and then demand the whole rest of the Fediverse adopt it or face being branded as broken by design.

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@Julian Fietkau

Exactly because racism isn't solved with the flick of a switch, we need to make improvements where we can. Block lists and reply controls in Mastodon won't eliminate racism from the fediverse, but they can make some people's time here somewhat (or a lot) better.

Only if Mastodon devs consult with the rest of the Fediverse instead of surprising everyone with a solution that's incompatible with just about everything else.

See quote-posts and the quote-post opt-in. Mastodon's solution supposes that the whole Fediverse is Mastodon or at least works like Mastodon.

Users on Mastodon 4.5 or newer can set any of their posts to un-quote-post-able. But still, anyone on Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Calckey, Firefish, CherryPick, Sharkey, Iceshrimp, Catodon, Mitra, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams), Forte etc. can quote-post these self-same un-quote-post-able posts with zero resistance.

At the same time, users on Mastodon 4.5 or newer cannot quote-post anything that doesn't come from Mastodon because Mastodon expects there to be its own proprietary, non-standard quote-post opt-in.

It's easy from a Mastodon point of view to consider Mastodon the one and only gold standard in the Fediverse and point fingers at the non-Mastodon Fediverse. But don't forget that Friendica has had quote-posts for five and a half years longer than Mastodon has even existed and for over 15 years longer than Mastodon has had them.

By the way, while I don't know about Friendica, Hubzilla has reply control. It has had it probably since 2012. It has reply control features that go way beyond what even the Mastodon devs can imagine, much less what's technologically possible on Mastodon. And (streams) and Forte manage to go even further than their ancestor Hubzilla in terms of reply control.

So Mastodon will not introduce reply control to the Fediverse. It can't expect everything else in the Fediverse to adopt its own reply control technology, much less throw out their existing reply control technology in favour of Mastodon's.

There used to be FEP-5624 that was actually proposed by a Mastodon dev. There was a lenghty discussion about this FEP draft that involved devs from all across the Fediverse, even the Hubzilla creator and (streams) and Forte maintainer. However, the FEP draft was probably abandoned in 2023 already and withdrawn two weeks ago.

The lesson learned for Mastodon may be that first introducing a FEP and discussing it in the community and with devs of stuff that's nothing like Mastodon leads nowhere, and the only way to get things done is to first build it into Mastodon, then maybe try to make it into a FEP and then demand the whole rest of the Fediverse adopt it or face being branded as broken by design.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #ReplyControl #ReplyControls #FEP_5624

@Julian Fietkau

Exactly because racism isn't solved with the flick of a switch, we need to make improvements where we can. Block lists and reply controls in Mastodon won't eliminate racism from the fediverse, but they can make some people's time here somewhat (or a lot) better.

Only if Mastodon devs consult with the rest of the Fediverse instead of surprising everyone with a solution that's incompatible with just about everything else.

See quote-posts and the quote-post opt-in. Mastodon's solution supposes that the whole Fediverse is Mastodon or at least works like Mastodon.

Users on Mastodon 4.5 or newer can set any of their posts to un-quote-post-able. But still, anyone on Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Calckey, Firefish, CherryPick, Sharkey, Iceshrimp, Catodon, Mitra, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams), Forte etc. can quote-post these self-same un-quote-post-able posts with zero resistance.

At the same time, users on Mastodon 4.5 or newer cannot quote-post anything that doesn't come from Mastodon because Mastodon expects there to be its own proprietary, non-standard quote-post opt-in.

It's easy from a Mastodon point of view to consider Mastodon the one and only gold standard in the Fediverse and point fingers at the non-Mastodon Fediverse. But don't forget that Friendica has had quote-posts for five and a half years longer than Mastodon has even existed and for over 15 years longer than Mastodon has had them.

By the way, while I don't know about Friendica, Hubzilla has reply control. It has had it probably since 2012. It has reply control features that go way beyond what even the Mastodon devs can imagine, much less what's technologically possible on Mastodon. And (streams) and Forte manage to go even further than their ancestor Hubzilla in terms of reply control.

So Mastodon will not introduce reply control to the Fediverse. It can't expect everything else in the Fediverse to adopt its own reply control technology, much less throw out their existing reply control technology in favour of Mastodon's.

There used to be FEP-5624 that was actually proposed by a Mastodon dev. There was a lenghty discussion about this FEP draft that involved devs from all across the Fediverse, even the Hubzilla creator and (streams) and Forte maintainer. However, the FEP draft was probably abandoned in 2023 already and withdrawn two weeks ago.

The lesson learned for Mastodon may be that first introducing a FEP and discussing it in the community and with devs of stuff that's nothing like Mastodon leads nowhere, and the only way to get things done is to first build it into Mastodon, then maybe try to make it into a FEP and then demand the whole rest of the Fediverse adopt it or face being branded as broken by design.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #ReplyControl #ReplyControls #FEP_5624

@Julian Fietkau

Exactly because racism isn't solved with the flick of a switch, we need to make improvements where we can. Block lists and reply controls in Mastodon won't eliminate racism from the fediverse, but they can make some people's time here somewhat (or a lot) better.

Only if Mastodon devs consult with the rest of the Fediverse instead of surprising everyone with a solution that's incompatible with just about everything else.

See quote-posts and the quote-post opt-in. Mastodon's solution supposes that the whole Fediverse is Mastodon or at least works like Mastodon.

Users on Mastodon 4.5 or newer can set any of their posts to un-quote-post-able. But still, anyone on Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Calckey, Firefish, CherryPick, Sharkey, Iceshrimp, Catodon, Mitra, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams), Forte etc. can quote-post these self-same un-quote-post-able posts with zero resistance.

At the same time, users on Mastodon 4.5 or newer cannot quote-post anything that doesn't come from Mastodon because Mastodon expects there to be its own proprietary, non-standard quote-post opt-in.

It's easy from a Mastodon point of view to consider Mastodon the one and only gold standard in the Fediverse and point fingers at the non-Mastodon Fediverse. But don't forget that Friendica has had quote-posts for five and a half years longer than Mastodon has even existed and for over 15 years longer than Mastodon has had them.

By the way, while I don't know about Friendica, Hubzilla has reply control. It has had it probably since 2012. It has reply control features that go way beyond what even the Mastodon devs can imagine, much less what's technologically possible on Mastodon. And (streams) and Forte manage to go even further than their ancestor Hubzilla in terms of reply control.

So Mastodon will not introduce reply control to the Fediverse. It can't expect everything else in the Fediverse to adopt its own reply control technology, much less throw out their existing reply control technology in favour of Mastodon's.

There used to be FEP-5624 that was actually proposed by a Mastodon dev. There was a lenghty discussion about this FEP draft that involved devs from all across the Fediverse, even the Hubzilla creator and (streams) and Forte maintainer. However, the FEP draft was probably abandoned in 2023 already and withdrawn two weeks ago.

The lesson learned for Mastodon may be that first introducing a FEP and discussing it in the community and with devs of stuff that's nothing like Mastodon leads nowhere, and the only way to get things done is to first build it into Mastodon, then maybe try to make it into a FEP and then demand the whole rest of the Fediverse adopt it or face being branded as broken by design.

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