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The history of Apple OpenDoc and similar object embedding facilities such as Microsoft OLE. An old but interesting post.

http://basalgangster.macgui.com/RetroMacComputing/The_Long_View/Entries/2010/4/17_OpenDoc.html

#OpenDoc #mac #retrocomputing

To follow up to yesterday’s post about #OpenDoc, that principle of freely placing frames with different content types on a page canvas existed well before OpenDoc.

When I got my first Mac in the early 90s, I used #RagTime as my office suite, which is based on the exact same principle.

I’ve never seen anything like it outside the professional print layout realm. In comparison, today’s office packages, especially the web-only ones, are painfully clunky to use.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RagTime

@golemwire

You mean Apple's #OpenDoc from the 90s (not to be confused with the Open Document format of today)?

That was pretty cool, although I'm pretty sure there wasn't a CLI for it. ;)

@tofticles @ErikJonker

it seems for now you need a french VAT registration to register (?) - or is my french zu schlecht?

#opensource #opendoc #docs

the #visuals in this #OpenDoc video clip are everything

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFJdjk2rq4E

the good people of the internet have poured forth a fount of #OpenDoc resources

@marianoguerra shared "Why OpenDoc failed, and then failed 3 more times" https://instadeq.com/blog/posts/why-opendoc-failed-and-then-failed-3-more-times/

@crabl resurfaced "WWDC 'Janus' Demo" from 1996: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGcVH6qyoqA

And @andy_matuschak gathered gems from @Gregmaletic and @geoffreylitt

Greg's 2006 reflections as a PMM:
https://gregmaletic.wordpress.com/2006/11/12/opendoc/

Geoffrey's 7 theories on why it didn't catch on:
https://x.com/geoffreylitt/status/1389250584042250249?s=20

any good resources out there on #OpenDoc particularly it's successes and failures and any "design language" innovations?

not-so-secret #masterplan: we're re-building #OpenDoc

@daringfireball

#Platforms, not #Tools

Unless tools start to take a life of their own and threaten the platform itself. True since the early days of #Apple when #Borland, #Microsoft, and others overpowered #MPW and threatened its #Mac platform in insidious ways. Ill-fated #OpenDoc is another example where #X #fileformat #compatibility was critical. Yet another — #Netscape and #IE #browsers until they threatened the #Mac by #neglect or #incompatibility. And of course, #open #web on #iPhone.

@daringfireball

#Platforms, not #Tools

Unless tools start to take a life of their own and threaten the platform itself. True since the early days of #Apple when #Borland, #Microsoft, and others overpowered #MPW and threatened its #Mac platform in insidious ways. Ill-fated #OpenDoc is another example where #X #fileformat #compatibility was critical. Yet another — #Netscape and #IE #browsers until they threatened the #Mac by #neglect or #incompatibility. And of course, #open #web on #iPhone.

@daringfireball

#Platforms, not #Tools

Unless tools start to take a life of their own and threaten the platform itself. True since the early days of #Apple when #Borland, #Microsoft, and others overpowered #MPW and threatened its #Mac platform in insidious ways. Ill-fated #OpenDoc is another example where #X #fileformat #compatibility was critical. Yet another — #Netscape and #IE #browsers until they threatened the #Mac by #neglect or #incompatibility. And of course, #open #web on #iPhone.

@billstclair @spolsky Are you thinking of #Apple’s #OpenDoc from the 1990s?