#llmcoding — Public Fediverse posts

Got this thing which is puzzling me, and I feel like the Fediverse is just the place to find people who could take an educated guess :-)

The other day, I heard on the grapevine of someone saying that at their company, the LLM code is "better" and, specifically, "easier to read" than the code they were previously getting from humans.

"Easier to read" surprised me, because up till now my impression is/was that even if LLM-emanated stuff can be produced _faster_ than human-made code, it typically wouldn't be especially logical or elegant - if you even want to look under the bonnet at all.

I don't personally know the person who shared this opinion, so I'm not sure what's their vantage point or techieness level. But from the grapevine chain, my impression is they're at the least a reliable reporter of their own experience.

So now I am curious!

What would you guess this person was seeing, which gave them this impression?

E.g. are the LLMs actually not as bad on this particular front as I've got the impression of?

Has there been a recent breakthrough improvement in the readability of LLM code? (It's plausible to imagine that this company would have access to the latest "models" etc.)

Or... I don't have any particular reason to think that the human coders in the comparison would be unusually bad and thereby making the LLM look better, but does it sound plausible that perhaps there could be a tradition of half-hearted or absent _commenting_ at their place, so that a LLM could outdo it?

Or... what do people think?

#AskFedi #LLM #LLMCoding

Got this thing which is puzzling me, and I feel like the Fediverse is just the place to find people who could take an educated guess :-)

The other day, I heard on the grapevine of someone saying that at their company, the LLM code is "better" and, specifically, "easier to read" than the code they were previously getting from humans.

"Easier to read" surprised me, because up till now my impression is/was that even if LLM-emanated stuff can be produced _faster_ than human-made code, it typically wouldn't be especially logical or elegant - if you even want to look under the bonnet at all.

I don't personally know the person who shared this opinion, so I'm not sure what's their vantage point or techieness level. But from the grapevine chain, my impression is they're at the least a reliable reporter of their own experience.

So now I am curious!

What would you guess this person was seeing, which gave them this impression?

E.g. are the LLMs actually not as bad on this particular front as I've got the impression of?

Has there been a recent breakthrough improvement in the readability of LLM code? (It's plausible to imagine that this company would have access to the latest "models" etc.)

Or... I don't have any particular reason to think that the human coders in the comparison would be unusually bad and thereby making the LLM look better, but does it sound plausible that perhaps there could be a tradition of half-hearted or absent _commenting_ at their place, so that a LLM could outdo it?

Or... what do people think?

#AskFedi #LLM #LLMCoding

Again, I don't develop 'cryptocurrency-related projects', I don't use LLMs in development. I understand when projects ban LLM-authored contributions, since it puts a lot of pressure and mental load on the maintainers. But when a git forge dictates what people can host and what they can't host, apart from very broad strokes, like "we don't allow unfree projects" or "we don't allow scam projects", it is concerning.

#codeberg #llm #llmcoding #ai #codebergbans #opensource #freesoftware #foss #censorship #bitcoin #monero #crypto #cryptocurrency

Again, I don't develop 'cryptocurrency-related projects', I don't use LLMs in development. I understand when projects ban LLM-authored contributions, since it puts a lot of pressure and mental load on the maintainers. But when a git forge dictates what people can host and what they can't host, apart from very broad strokes, like "we don't allow unfree projects" or "we don't allow scam projects", it is concerning.

#codeberg #llm #llmcoding #ai #codebergbans #opensource #freesoftware #foss #censorship #bitcoin #monero #crypto #cryptocurrency

The same issue applies to cryptocurrency. What are ‘cryptocurrency-related projects’? Can OpenSSL be considered a ‘cryptocurrency-related project’? And that’s not to mention the fact that cryptocurrency - specifically Bitcoin and Monero - is the only way for vulnerable groups in authoritarian countries to get some money.

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#codeberg #llm #llmcoding #ai #codebergbans #opensource #freesoftware #foss #censorship #bitcoin #monero #crypto #cryptocurrency

The same issue applies to cryptocurrency. What are ‘cryptocurrency-related projects’? Can OpenSSL be considered a ‘cryptocurrency-related project’? And that’s not to mention the fact that cryptocurrency - specifically Bitcoin and Monero - is the only way for vulnerable groups in authoritarian countries to get some money.

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#codeberg #llm #llmcoding #ai #codebergbans #opensource #freesoftware #foss #censorship #bitcoin #monero #crypto #cryptocurrency

There’s also a big problem with the wording. The ToC states, ‘you must not share projects that mostly consist of code written by “generative AI” tools’.
What does ‘mostly’ mean? What does ‘written by’ mean? What percentage of LLM code is allowed, and what percentage isn’t? If someone copies code from ChatGPT and changes the variable names, is that ‘written by’ an LLM or not? Who’s going to check this? A special Codeberg police force? There’s far too much vague wording. They might as well have just written ‘we do not allow projects we personally don't like’ in the ToC.

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#codeberg #llm #llmcoding #ai #codebergbans #opensource #freesoftware #foss #censorship #bitcoin #monero #crypto #cryptocurrency

There’s also a big problem with the wording. The ToC states, ‘you must not share projects that mostly consist of code written by “generative AI” tools’.
What does ‘mostly’ mean? What does ‘written by’ mean? What percentage of LLM code is allowed, and what percentage isn’t? If someone copies code from ChatGPT and changes the variable names, is that ‘written by’ an LLM or not? Who’s going to check this? A special Codeberg police force? There’s far too much vague wording. They might as well have just written ‘we do not allow projects we personally don't like’ in the ToC.

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#codeberg #llm #llmcoding #ai #codebergbans #opensource #freesoftware #foss #censorship #bitcoin #monero #crypto #cryptocurrency

DISCLAIMER: I don't use LLMs, I despise LLMs usage, I think it's boring, erodes creativity and thinking process, and is highly unethical.

Codeberg just banned LLM and cryptocurrency projects. While I agree that LLMs suck hard, I don't really agree with that decision.

My biggest concern is that I don’t know if my projects will be safe in the future, since Codeberg is no longer simply a Git forge that prohibits non-free licenses, but it now bans code that a small (358-person) group of people disapproves.

The problem with this is that, in the future, any code could be targeted. Let me remind you that in Russia, where internet whitelists have already been introduced in some regions, website blocking began in the 2010s under the guise of ‘protecting children’ and the fight against drugs. Tomorrow, for whatever reason, C# might become persona non grata, and Codeberg might ban all code written in C#. Then, for some reason, Codeberg might ban code written by people of a certain nationality. It’s a slippery slope.

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#codeberg #llm #llmcoding #ai #codebergbans #opensource #freesoftware #foss #censorship #bitcoin #monero #crypto #cryptocurrency

DISCLAIMER: I don't use LLMs, I despise LLMs usage, I think it's boring, erodes creativity and thinking process, and is highly unethical.

Codeberg just banned LLM and cryptocurrency projects. While I agree that LLMs suck hard, I don't really agree with that decision.

My biggest concern is that I don’t know if my projects will be safe in the future, since Codeberg is no longer simply a Git forge that prohibits non-free licenses, but it now bans code that a small (358-person) group of people disapproves.

The problem with this is that, in the future, any code could be targeted. Let me remind you that in Russia, where internet whitelists have already been introduced in some regions, website blocking began in the 2010s under the guise of ‘protecting children’ and the fight against drugs. Tomorrow, for whatever reason, C# might become persona non grata, and Codeberg might ban all code written in C#. Then, for some reason, Codeberg might ban code written by people of a certain nationality. It’s a slippery slope.

🧵

#codeberg #llm #llmcoding #ai #codebergbans #opensource #freesoftware #foss #censorship #bitcoin #monero #crypto #cryptocurrency