#ufoi — Public Fediverse posts

@bonifartius

We arent quite ready to go public with it yet but the #UFoI, the federation of servers that I started that is basically against abusive moderation practices like this... this is kinda the point.

We are working on curating evidence regarding moderation practices and creating two lists 1) servers with good moderation practices (no reports with evidence of abusive moderation) and 2) a list of servers with known bad moderation practices.

This way people can use it to select servers where they know they wont be supporting abusive practices against its own users or regarding federation.

Because when we tried this in the past the servers accused of course tried to retaliate we are making sure when the list is released the m evidence collected is absolutely massive and in case they try to attack us again this time we are armed with the evidence.

@wild1145 @wild1145

@rosey

This is exactly why I tried to start up the #UFoI .. to basically make the process of defederating a process where people talk rather than just block silently without hearing the evidence or discussing the problem.

@thor

@otoha_miyamoto I maintain a privacy and safety focused instance, thought it didn't need an explicit stance :eichkatzo: Made it clear in /about now. Of course it will be blocked on sight. Yes I didn't sign the #fedipact since the last "pact" I had signed caused the instance to get blocked on two instances (keyword: #UFoI) which ultimately failed in the end.

Huh, looks like the #UFoI is dead, time to remove the links then. The universal hate against it causing the qoto admin to resign as organizer of the whole thing was probably the death sentence for it.

@timorl
> głównie chodziło o to których instancji _nie_ blokować

No właśnie dlatego mi się to podobało. Bo 101010.pl bywa nadmiernie blokowane i UFoI byłoby mechanizmem zabezpieczającym przed tym, co się dzieje teraz: ktoś wrzuca instancję do Fediblock, a inni (w dobrej wierze, ufając w mechanizm) naiwnie kopiują, wierząc w hasła typu "faszyzm", "kopanie kryptowaluty" itd. Wiadomo, że słowo "faszyzm" brzmi źle dla każdego (również dla mnie!), więc jak się usłyszy "faszyzm", to nawet nie czyta się do końca zdania. (Sam zresztą też tak czasem robię, gdy szkoda mi czasu na dociekanie). Efekt jest taki, że po pierwsze, moja instancja jest niesprawiedliwie blokowana, a po drugie, inni mają sygnał, żeby uruchomić w sobie autocenzurę i konformizm, bo jak raz się wpadnie na #Fediblock to trudno się z tego wygrzebać.

@rcz @kravietz @PawelK #FediBlockPL #UFoI #moderacja #moderacjaFedi

@kravietz Ech, przydałoby się coś takiego jak #UFoI. Szkoda, że UFoI już nie daje oznak życia. @rcz @PawelK @timorl

⚠️ Wygląda na to, że nie działa strona UFoI (United Federation of Instances) https://ufoi.org/docs/code-of-ethics
@ufoi #UFoI #Fediwersum #Fediblock

@Dennis1212 I need to be more involved here. Unfortunately, stupid people keep jumping into my timeline there. Flerthers... Ye gods, what a silly bunch. But in following the responses, I catch cool stuff from RedsRhetoric and so many others. In fact, one of the provisions of qoto.org I got from @freemo via email, "It's OK to join if you are just a fan of STEM, so long as you aren't a Flat-earther or such."

#UFoI has been quiet lately as I look, unless I'm missing stuff. My forays into political talk leaves people confused and angry for some reason. I wave friendly greetings to the whole political spectrum and everyone gets mad at me anyway.

@freemo @realcaseyrollins @ufoi @casey-magazine @stux I like the part where @PKMNLives plays the role of a "bad actor" by definition, decries how #UFoI "legitimizes" bad actors, and has no sense of shame or irony that he doesn't need #UFoI to "legitimize" his behavior. Nice it of work, that.

@PKMNLives @freemo @realcaseyrollins @ufoi @casey-magazine @stux

"[Qoto was] defederated for many reasons (some receipts attached) that had nothing to do with that users, and everything to do with their moderation policies or rather lack thereof."

I find this fascinating... "receipts" paraded about in fact show sensible moderation policy, rather than a "lack" of anything. Is it possible claiming "receipts" hoping for no discussion of them or actual reading of them takes place? Looks suspicious, like a bad actor move. How does #UFoI "legitimize" this?

@realcaseyrollins @ufoi @casey-magazine It's definitely easier to deal with flat earthers. "Antifa" person gets called out for acting fash... "HARASSMENT..." An appeal was made by @freemo to discuss the problem as an adult. "MASS SPAMMING CRYBABY!!!" People trying to set up an equitable system to voluntarily resolve these kinds of problems... resulting in death threats, urges to suicide, violent snuff video towards people working on the project. "It legitimizes bad actors!" Right, @PKMNLives. I trust you to know what being a bad actor is all about and how #UFoI could legitimize them. It must really tire you do like any other flat earther with projecting.

@PKMNLives @realcaseyrollins @ufoi @casey-magazine @freemo Define, “Bad actor," please. Also please define the mechanism by which #UFoI shields the person or group you have defined.

#UFOI article is out now. I discuss why it’s better than #Fediblock #Fediblockmeta, my ideal solution for the #Fediblock, and how the #UFOI approaches these issues, with a nice word from @freemo addressing my most serious concern with the project.

I hope y’all find it interesting, if nothing else. Been wanting to release it for awhile now.

@ufoi

RT: https://paper.wf/api/posts/mz9uq38sjv

Would a #fediverse #relay possibly be a good thing to integrate into #UFoI?

:tower:

I agree to some extent. But at the same time, there are plenty of instances on #fediblock / #fediblockmeta. Everyone doesn’t have to subscribe to just one instance, they can subscribe to any of them.

This can also be used for things like #UFOI, which plans to have more robust discussions and verification prior to adding instances to the recommended blocklist.

I get that.

I think an optimal solution is just to have an open forum on #Lemmy or something. Let peeps suggest instances to block, with reasons why, and let others vote on them accordingly.

I like that #UFOI forces evidence to be shared before an instances is included in the list, that alone makes it far better than #fediblock

I also spoke with @freemo regarding it for a peice I’m writing about it, the plan is for it to also serve as a framework so that anyone can create their own “federation” if that makes sense. The #UFOI isn’t intended to be a one stop shop for everyone to use to determine who to block.

@killeveryhetero makes a rather strong case for the #UFOI here.

There's an ongoing effort called the #UFoI, United Federation of Instances, with a website on https://ufoi.org/. Perhaps a community driven, well defined process such as this is the way to go. I'm not sure the UFoI defines a body to make the decisions or handle complaints, but perhaps it should?

@thor @aral actually IMO #UFoI's primary focus is legitimization of illegitimate actors, so, yeah, they're doomed from the start thanks to Freemo and Qoto.

I think there's room for a middle ground between "I only block when legally required to do so" and "I block everything that has a single bad user". In fact a very wide one, which we're still trying to find a spot within across #Fedi as a whole, I think.

This is where #UFoI comes in, its a group of instances that I know for sure will be federated with each other, so I can just ask my friends to join one of the instances listed there.

@lxo @mediocreape @freemo @lxo makes a good point here. I think the "alternate walled garden" analogy is misleading. #ufoi is an agreement between gardeners that they will not build walls between themselves.

Apparently now people are sending death threats to UFoI members... all this does is reafirm to me the dire need for sonethi g like the UFoI

https://awoo.fyi/@Transparency/posts/AQXMaePil3qyNs6MM4

@ufoi #UFoI #UFI

In today's #fediblock #fedidrama (jk this has been simmering for at least a week) #UFOI and #Fedifence servers have started blocking each other en masse

+ admins who signed to UFOI are :surprised_pikachu: to discover after TLDRing the 30 page github manifesto they don't actually get a vote in blocking decisions

if you're a #fediverse user on a UFOI or Fedifence server & don't want your communication disrupted by this jr high dramatic production, maybe time to get an alt on an uninvolved server

I am excited to hear that as of today the user member count int he #UFoI has just hit a record high of ~400,000 user members! That gets us to about 5% fediverse coverage!

#UFI @ufoi

As I have stepped down as council member fromt he #UFoI the next most senior member, @Ryle , will now be council member. This is only temporary until we finalize the bylaws and vote in a council member officially. But I will no longer have any authoritative duties in the UFoI.

@ufoi #UFI

I am offically stepping down as a Council member from the #UFoI in an attempt to choose a more impartial head until an election can be done. If anyone has issue with QOTO being in the UFoI please report it with any evidence and the new head will remove us from the UFoI, thanks.

https://UFoI

#UFI #mastoadmin

@ufoi

Please don'tt forget everyone in the UFoI or planning to be.. You have to post on your Terms of Service (rules) somewhere that you are in the UFoI and that the server adheres to its rules.

You are welcome to say this or put it wherever you want as long as it is clear to your users.

Basically make sure you include two things:

1) A reference to the fact that the instance is in the UFoI, with a link to the website: https://UFoI.org

2) A reference to the fact that it follows the Code of Ethics, preferably with a link to that: https://ufoi.org/docs/code-of-ethics

I just added this myself to QOTO, attached is a screenshot of the way I did it.

If anyone wants the html code to copy and paste into their ToS that I used it is here:

https://pastebin.com/vgZX5AJA

Finally if any of you new people in the thread want to use the profiles with verified profile links (the little green check mark next to links in bios) just reach out to me and I can show you how to set it up.

(PS not a hell thread, just taging people this is relevant to)

#UFI #UFoI @ufoi @kravietz @Ryle @gregory @jonnypencils @steve @dump_stack @joaopinheiro @SolSoCoG @evan @greg @selea @jens @t1c @thatonecalculator

Should the white button at the top of the United Federation of Instances page point to Getting Started, like it does now, or the Code of Ethics?

https://UFoI.org

#UFoI @ufoi #ufi

The website for the United Federation of Instances is pretty much done. Please check it out and if you see anything that needs fixing let me know. I plan to officially launch it this weekend but sharing it now for feedback.

https://UFoI.org

If you see anything needing fixing please just jump right in and create a merge request here, no need to ask permission.

https://gitlab.com/ufoi/ufoi-site

Also if your too lazy you can always jut let me know and ill fix it, but a MR would really be much more helpful.

#UFI #UFoI @ufoi

So far the United Federation of Isntances consists of 2.5% of the entire #Fediverse... We havent even officially launched yet! So exciting.

#UFoI @ufoi #UFI

We have had 3 more instances sign up to the United Federation of Instances in the last 24 hours or so.

Still around 200K members but I really am getting excited at all this momentum.

Setup a cool little verified link system too where members of the UFoI can add a verified link to their profile.

If you are an instance admin and want to join, whether your instance is 1 user or 100000, just let me know, as long as you follow our code of ethics I can add you and you will show as a founding member on the website once we launch.

#UFI #UFoI @ufoi

So I did a test on using verified link with the #UFoI website... works well. The plan will be anyone in the UFoI can register as a member and then have a verified link in their profile

See my profile for an example of me testing it out.

#UFI @ufoi

Dear #MastoAdmin people, I'm trying to get some perspectives on the "United Federation of Instances" idea that has been discussed recently. From what I understood, it tries to establish some procedures to mitigate the problem of (a) the #fediverse fragmenting because many admins may copy existing block lists without checking carefully, and (b) such block lists having not much of a democratic basis. At first glance, that doesn't sound so bad to me. Am I missing some downsides?
#ufi #ufoi

Just a reminder, as I get this a lot, but joining the United Federation of Instances doesnt require **any** time contribution of the part of its admins or instances. Any voting is totally optional to participate. As long as your instance follows our code of ethics you can join, nothing else required other than to federate to other UFoI instance.

DM me if you want to talk more, are are at over 200,000 members and will be open to more over the next week or so before membership will become harder and more formalized.

all intances welcome, from single user to large instances.

#UFI #UFoI @ufoi

If anyone wants to help on the United Federation of Instances website let me know.

I have a first working version done. But welcome any improvements (including to layout) as well as some help filling in some of the documentation.

There is also some room for scripts to help make the whole thing work, we can talk if anyone wants to help there.

Anyone, anyone interested in helping let me know. I will send a link to the current website in private at request, I just dont want to share it with the world until its more complete.

#UFI #UFoI @ufoi

There are 2 ways to sign up to the United Federation of Instances, for those wondering.

We have over 200,000 members but looking for more before launch.

One, and the most important, is as an instance admin bringing your instance onto the UFoI. For this you dont need to do anything other than ensure you follow our basic code of conduct. See the proposal/by laws for that:

https://ufoi.gitlab.io/constitution/united_federation_of_instances_proposal.pdf

https://ufoi.gitlab.io/constitution/united_federation_of_instances_bylaws.pdf

Other than that you dont have to do anything to be a member, and you can be a one person instance or a large instance. You do need to promise to federate with other instances in the UFoI. Also you can leave at any time, no questions asked, so not much obligation.

The other is as an individual.. for that just let me know and ill give you access to everything and add you to the list of contributors. In this case you arent under any obligation either, you can join in on conversationsn, suggest edits, or just lurk. Up to you. Message me if you want to be a contributor and ill add you and check out the repo here:

https://gitlab.com/ufoi/constitution

Any questions first feel free to ask me.

For more information on ways to connect see this post:

https://qoto.org/@freemo/109433298021890915

#UFoI #UFI @ufoi #mastoadmin

United Federation of Instances now has hundreds of thousands of users! We had a few more join last night.

DM me if you want to join, be a founding member. Joining will be a much harder process once we launch in about a week.

#UFoI @ufoi #UFI #Mastoadmin

Reminder: If anyone from any instance, large or small, wants to be added as a founding member of the United Federation of Instances please send me a private message. Happy to add anyone who adheres to the code of ethics.

You can always leave any time.

We have close to 200,000 members right now.

https://ufoi.gitlab.io/constitution/united_federation_of_instances_proposal.pdf

#UFoI @ufoi #UFI #Mastoadmin

United Federation of Instances hasnt even launched yet and already has 200K members,

if you want to join please DM me (not going public with the list until launch), any insttance any size are welcome.

I will announce the launch in the next few days by the look of things.

#UFoI #UFI #Mastoadmin @ufoi