#ufoi — Public Fediverse posts

@bonifartius

We arent quite ready to go public with it yet but the #UFoI, the federation of servers that I started that is basically against abusive moderation practices like this... this is kinda the point.

We are working on curating evidence regarding moderation practices and creating two lists 1) servers with good moderation practices (no reports with evidence of abusive moderation) and 2) a list of servers with known bad moderation practices.

This way people can use it to select servers where they know they wont be supporting abusive practices against its own users or regarding federation.

Because when we tried this in the past the servers accused of course tried to retaliate we are making sure when the list is released the m evidence collected is absolutely massive and in case they try to attack us again this time we are armed with the evidence.

@wild1145 @wild1145

@rosey

This is exactly why I tried to start up the #UFoI .. to basically make the process of defederating a process where people talk rather than just block silently without hearing the evidence or discussing the problem.

@thor

@otoha_miyamoto I maintain a privacy and safety focused instance, thought it didn't need an explicit stance :eichkatzo: Made it clear in /about now. Of course it will be blocked on sight. Yes I didn't sign the #fedipact since the last "pact" I had signed caused the instance to get blocked on two instances (keyword: #UFoI) which ultimately failed in the end.

Huh, looks like the #UFoI is dead, time to remove the links then. The universal hate against it causing the qoto admin to resign as organizer of the whole thing was probably the death sentence for it.

@timorl
> głównie chodziło o to których instancji _nie_ blokować

No właśnie dlatego mi się to podobało. Bo 101010.pl bywa nadmiernie blokowane i UFoI byłoby mechanizmem zabezpieczającym przed tym, co się dzieje teraz: ktoś wrzuca instancję do Fediblock, a inni (w dobrej wierze, ufając w mechanizm) naiwnie kopiują, wierząc w hasła typu "faszyzm", "kopanie kryptowaluty" itd. Wiadomo, że słowo "faszyzm" brzmi źle dla każdego (również dla mnie!), więc jak się usłyszy "faszyzm", to nawet nie czyta się do końca zdania. (Sam zresztą też tak czasem robię, gdy szkoda mi czasu na dociekanie). Efekt jest taki, że po pierwsze, moja instancja jest niesprawiedliwie blokowana, a po drugie, inni mają sygnał, żeby uruchomić w sobie autocenzurę i konformizm, bo jak raz się wpadnie na #Fediblock to trudno się z tego wygrzebać.

@rcz @kravietz @PawelK #FediBlockPL #UFoI #moderacja #moderacjaFedi

@kravietz Ech, przydałoby się coś takiego jak #UFoI. Szkoda, że UFoI już nie daje oznak życia. @rcz @PawelK @timorl

⚠️ Wygląda na to, że nie działa strona UFoI (United Federation of Instances) https://ufoi.org/docs/code-of-ethics
@ufoi #UFoI #Fediwersum #Fediblock

@Dennis1212 I need to be more involved here. Unfortunately, stupid people keep jumping into my timeline there. Flerthers... Ye gods, what a silly bunch. But in following the responses, I catch cool stuff from RedsRhetoric and so many others. In fact, one of the provisions of qoto.org I got from @freemo via email, "It's OK to join if you are just a fan of STEM, so long as you aren't a Flat-earther or such."

#UFoI has been quiet lately as I look, unless I'm missing stuff. My forays into political talk leaves people confused and angry for some reason. I wave friendly greetings to the whole political spectrum and everyone gets mad at me anyway.

@freemo @realcaseyrollins @ufoi @casey-magazine @stux I like the part where @PKMNLives plays the role of a "bad actor" by definition, decries how #UFoI "legitimizes" bad actors, and has no sense of shame or irony that he doesn't need #UFoI to "legitimize" his behavior. Nice it of work, that.

@PKMNLives @freemo @realcaseyrollins @ufoi @casey-magazine @stux

"[Qoto was] defederated for many reasons (some receipts attached) that had nothing to do with that users, and everything to do with their moderation policies or rather lack thereof."

I find this fascinating... "receipts" paraded about in fact show sensible moderation policy, rather than a "lack" of anything. Is it possible claiming "receipts" hoping for no discussion of them or actual reading of them takes place? Looks suspicious, like a bad actor move. How does #UFoI "legitimize" this?

@realcaseyrollins @ufoi @casey-magazine It's definitely easier to deal with flat earthers. "Antifa" person gets called out for acting fash... "HARASSMENT..." An appeal was made by @freemo to discuss the problem as an adult. "MASS SPAMMING CRYBABY!!!" People trying to set up an equitable system to voluntarily resolve these kinds of problems... resulting in death threats, urges to suicide, violent snuff video towards people working on the project. "It legitimizes bad actors!" Right, @PKMNLives. I trust you to know what being a bad actor is all about and how #UFoI could legitimize them. It must really tire you do like any other flat earther with projecting.

@PKMNLives @realcaseyrollins @ufoi @casey-magazine @freemo Define, “Bad actor," please. Also please define the mechanism by which #UFoI shields the person or group you have defined.

#UFOI article is out now. I discuss why it’s better than #Fediblock #Fediblockmeta, my ideal solution for the #Fediblock, and how the #UFOI approaches these issues, with a nice word from @freemo addressing my most serious concern with the project.

I hope y’all find it interesting, if nothing else. Been wanting to release it for awhile now.

@ufoi

RT: https://paper.wf/api/posts/mz9uq38sjv

Would a #fediverse #relay possibly be a good thing to integrate into #UFoI?

:tower:

I agree to some extent. But at the same time, there are plenty of instances on #fediblock / #fediblockmeta. Everyone doesn’t have to subscribe to just one instance, they can subscribe to any of them.

This can also be used for things like #UFOI, which plans to have more robust discussions and verification prior to adding instances to the recommended blocklist.

I get that.

I think an optimal solution is just to have an open forum on #Lemmy or something. Let peeps suggest instances to block, with reasons why, and let others vote on them accordingly.

I like that #UFOI forces evidence to be shared before an instances is included in the list, that alone makes it far better than #fediblock

I also spoke with @freemo regarding it for a peice I’m writing about it, the plan is for it to also serve as a framework so that anyone can create their own “federation” if that makes sense. The #UFOI isn’t intended to be a one stop shop for everyone to use to determine who to block.

@killeveryhetero makes a rather strong case for the #UFOI here.

There's an ongoing effort called the #UFoI, United Federation of Instances, with a website on https://ufoi.org/. Perhaps a community driven, well defined process such as this is the way to go. I'm not sure the UFoI defines a body to make the decisions or handle complaints, but perhaps it should?

@thor @aral actually IMO #UFoI's primary focus is legitimization of illegitimate actors, so, yeah, they're doomed from the start thanks to Freemo and Qoto.

I think there's room for a middle ground between "I only block when legally required to do so" and "I block everything that has a single bad user". In fact a very wide one, which we're still trying to find a spot within across #Fedi as a whole, I think.

This is where #UFoI comes in, its a group of instances that I know for sure will be federated with each other, so I can just ask my friends to join one of the instances listed there.

@lxo @mediocreape @freemo @lxo makes a good point here. I think the "alternate walled garden" analogy is misleading. #ufoi is an agreement between gardeners that they will not build walls between themselves.