#contentlicense — Public Fediverse posts
Live and recent posts from across the Fediverse tagged #contentlicense, aggregated by home.social.
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I am happy and relieved that I successfully released my new Creative Honour License—"Kalvin's Creative Honour License"—and it applies to all my content—past, present, and future. Retroactively as well. Let me know your thoughts.
https://paper.wf/kalvins-creative-honour-license/
#CreativeCommons #ContentLicense #DigitalRights #CreatorOwnership #KalvinLicense
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Alright, y’all. Follow-up on this poll as promised…
Creative Commons published it. Afterward they shared their perspective on AI vs CC content. In short, “to get a sense of the various views on this question, we launched a Twitter poll where nearly half of respondents said, ‘it depends.’ We agree.”
https://creativecommons.org/2021/03/04/should-cc-licensed-content-be-used-to-train-ai-it-depends/
They made some questionable comments about it…
🧵1/3
#AI #ArtificialIntelligence #CC #ContentLicense #CreativeCommons #AITheft #EatTheRich
https://mas.to/@markwyner/114782533726610769 -
Alright, y’all. Follow-up on this poll as promised…
Creative Commons published it. Afterward they shared their perspective on AI vs CC content. In short, “to get a sense of the various views on this question, we launched a Twitter poll where nearly half of respondents said, ‘it depends.’ We agree.”
https://creativecommons.org/2021/03/04/should-cc-licensed-content-be-used-to-train-ai-it-depends/
They made some questionable comments about it…
🧵1/3
#AI #ArtificialIntelligence #CC #ContentLicense #CreativeCommons #AITheft #EatTheRich
https://mas.to/@markwyner/114782533726610769 -
@luciedigitalni Oh, but people did consent when they agreed to terms of service granting licenses of their content to these companies. Some people have been raising the issue that giving up licenses to your content will be problematic, but they were shouted down by the "don't worry about, just lawyer stuff, everyone does it" crowd. And now those chickens are coming home to roost.
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@luciedigitalni Oh, but people did consent when they agreed to terms of service granting licenses of their content to these companies. Some people have been raising the issue that giving up licenses to your content will be problematic, but they were shouted down by the "don't worry about, just lawyer stuff, everyone does it" crowd. And now those chickens are coming home to roost.
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#MastodonNews April 30, 2023
Now for hundreds of dollars you can join the one and only server on this open distributed network.
TechCrunch: Bluesky invites become a hot commodity as demand for the Twitter alternative outstrips access >>> https://techcrunch.com/2023/05/02/bluesky-invites-become-a-hot-commodity-as-demand-for-the-twitter-alternative-outstrips-access/
"Bluesky invites have become such a hot commodity they’ve been selling for anywhere between $120 to as much as $400 on eBay in recent days."
"...its community has topped 50,000 users."
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#MastodonNews April 30, 2023
Now for hundreds of dollars you can join the one and only server on this open distributed network.
TechCrunch: Bluesky invites become a hot commodity as demand for the Twitter alternative outstrips access >>> https://techcrunch.com/2023/05/02/bluesky-invites-become-a-hot-commodity-as-demand-for-the-twitter-alternative-outstrips-access/
"Bluesky invites have become such a hot commodity they’ve been selling for anywhere between $120 to as much as $400 on eBay in recent days."
"...its community has topped 50,000 users."
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@Lazarou Maybe they don't like getting caught and are in damage control mode now, but the strategy is likely to make no substantive changes, whether the storm, and operate on the principle (probably correct) that most people won't care.
That's why it is critical to make a big stinky fuss about this right now, And keep attention on this issue.
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@Lazarou Maybe they don't like getting caught and are in damage control mode now, but the strategy is likely to make no substantive changes, whether the storm, and operate on the principle (probably correct) that most people won't care.
That's why it is critical to make a big stinky fuss about this right now, And keep attention on this issue.
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@tchambers @activitypubblueskybridge @mmasnick @anildash @manton Before you invest too much energy in this effort check out the Bluesky Terms of Service for using the AT Protocol. Currently they are asserting a unrestricted free-for-all license to any content the touches the AT Protocol (https://staging.bsky.app/support/tos). Seems crazy, but arguably you could be opening the door to giving Bluesky all the Fediverse content. In any case, the #DataProtection issues need to be nailed down.
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@tchambers @activitypubblueskybridge @mmasnick @anildash @manton Before you invest too much energy in this effort check out the Bluesky Terms of Service for using the AT Protocol. Currently they are asserting a unrestricted free-for-all license to any content the touches the AT Protocol (https://staging.bsky.app/support/tos). Seems crazy, but arguably you could be opening the door to giving Bluesky all the Fediverse content. In any case, the #DataProtection issues need to be nailed down.
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@VirginiaMurr Bingo. When they show you who they are, believe them.
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@VirginiaMurr Bingo. When they show you who they are, believe them.
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#MastodonNews April 30, 2023
Sure our Terms of Service taking ownership of your content are a crazy, says #Bluesky CEO Jay Gaber. It's the lawyers' fault, trust her...
Yahoo: Users Flock to Jack Dorsey’s Twitter Rival BlueSky, but Fine Print Gives Some Pause >>> https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/users-flock-jack-dorsey-twitter-155832584.html
“It was not my intent for the legalese to end up so confusing and unfriendly... We’ve already been working on a second pass over the past few weeks.”
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#MastodonNews April 30, 2023
Sure our Terms of Service taking ownership of your content are a crazy, says #Bluesky CEO Jay Gaber. It's the lawyers' fault, trust her...
Yahoo: Users Flock to Jack Dorsey’s Twitter Rival BlueSky, but Fine Print Gives Some Pause >>> https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/users-flock-jack-dorsey-twitter-155832584.html
“It was not my intent for the legalese to end up so confusing and unfriendly... We’ve already been working on a second pass over the past few weeks.”
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#MastodonNews April 30, 2023
Tech media starting to take notice of the insane #Bluesky Terms of Service.
Mashable: What to know before signing up for Bluesky - Signing up means signing over your content. >>> https://mashable.com/article/bluesky-twitter-terms-of-service
"You know what they say in tech: move fast, break things, and claim ownership of your users' content!"
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#MastodonNews April 30, 2023
Tech media starting to take notice of the insane #Bluesky Terms of Service.
Mashable: What to know before signing up for Bluesky - Signing up means signing over your content. >>> https://mashable.com/article/bluesky-twitter-terms-of-service
"You know what they say in tech: move fast, break things, and claim ownership of your users' content!"
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@LizardSF It is very easy to think that all terms are the same, but that is not the case. The reason for these limitations is that users have in the past demanded that they retain rights to their data and not allow Facebook a free-for-all license. It is important to remain vigilant, and not dismiss these matters as "everyone does it". Because all contracts are not the same.
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@LizardSF It is very easy to think that all terms are the same, but that is not the case. The reason for these limitations is that users have in the past demanded that they retain rights to their data and not allow Facebook a free-for-all license. It is important to remain vigilant, and not dismiss these matters as "everyone does it". Because all contracts are not the same.
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@LizardSF Most of these companies' terms contain a limitation. For Facebook the limitation reads:
"This is solely for the purposes of providing and improving our Products and services as described in Section 1 above."
This is not a small matter, as it limits what Facebook (and others who similarly limit their license) can do. These limited licenses may arguably be necessary for them to do what they do. Bluesky's license has no similar limitation.
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@LizardSF Most of these companies' terms contain a limitation. For Facebook the limitation reads:
"This is solely for the purposes of providing and improving our Products and services as described in Section 1 above."
This is not a small matter, as it limits what Facebook (and others who similarly limit their license) can do. These limited licenses may arguably be necessary for them to do what they do. Bluesky's license has no similar limitation.
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@LizardSF You see what they are doing there. The second part says when you use the "Service" which includes the "Protocols" you grant them the license...
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@LizardSF You see what they are doing there. The second part says when you use the "Service" which includes the "Protocols" you grant them the license...
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OK, it's getting late, so here is the insane overreach that #Bluesky are attempting:
Not only do their Terms of Service grant them a limitless, free-for-all, forever license to all your content for using their application (Bluesky). They are taking, get this, a limitless, free for all, forever license for anything that touches their AT protocol. And they imagine a future where all social media runs on their protocol. Isn't that rich?
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OK, it's getting late, so here is the insane overreach that #Bluesky are attempting:
Not only do their Terms of Service grant them a limitless, free-for-all, forever license to all your content for using their application (Bluesky). They are taking, get this, a limitless, free for all, forever license for anything that touches their AT protocol. And they imagine a future where all social media runs on their protocol. Isn't that rich?
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@privacat @austin @thomasfuchs Your expertise would be greatly appreciated. Not a lawyer, but very familiar with contracts, and the Bluesky ToS are breathtaking. Not only is it limitless free-for-all to the content for using their application (Bluesky). They are taking, get this, a limitless free for all license for anything that touches their AT protocol. And they imagine a future where all social media uses their protocol. Isn't that rich?
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@privacat @austin @thomasfuchs Your expertise would be greatly appreciated. Not a lawyer, but very familiar with contracts, and the Bluesky ToS are breathtaking. Not only is it limitless free-for-all to the content for using their application (Bluesky). They are taking, get this, a limitless free for all license for anything that touches their AT protocol. And they imagine a future where all social media uses their protocol. Isn't that rich?
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@f800gecko Mention of token ring and Novell networks brings back some memories. Sorry if the response came across wrong. The correction and specificity is really appreciated. Even if it is a somewhat flawed analogy, the intent was to make the point that asserting any content that touches a protocol could be subject to a limitless forever license is a pretty ballsy move.
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@f800gecko Mention of token ring and Novell networks brings back some memories. Sorry if the response came across wrong. The correction and specificity is really appreciated. Even if it is a somewhat flawed analogy, the intent was to make the point that asserting any content that touches a protocol could be subject to a limitless forever license is a pretty ballsy move.
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@privacat @austin @thomasfuchs Excellent point. You effectively give them a license to your content for the purpose of showing it etc. This implied license is perpetual, royalty-free and non-exclusive. The issue of commercial use is where it gets dicey. You could certainly argue you did not give Mastodon a license to outright sell your content or mine it for data.
Most of these licenses have a limitation for a purpose clause. Twitter and Bluesky do not.
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@privacat @austin @thomasfuchs Excellent point. You effectively give them a license to your content for the purpose of showing it etc. This implied license is perpetual, royalty-free and non-exclusive. The issue of commercial use is where it gets dicey. You could certainly argue you did not give Mastodon a license to outright sell your content or mine it for data.
Most of these licenses have a limitation for a purpose clause. Twitter and Bluesky do not.
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@mattwells Close... you've almost got it!
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@mattwells Close... you've almost got it!
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OK, still looking for the answer to the insane overreach #Bluesky are attempting.
Hint #3:
"The AT Protocol is a networking technology created by Bluesky to power the next generation of social applications." (https://atproto.com/)
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OK, still looking for the answer to the insane overreach #Bluesky are attempting.
Hint #3:
"The AT Protocol is a networking technology created by Bluesky to power the next generation of social applications." (https://atproto.com/)
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Nobody? OK, here's another hint to the insane overreach #Bluesky are attempting.
Hint #2 comes from alternative history:
Back in 1974 technology pioneer Robert Metcalfe at Xerox PARC developed the Ethernet PROTOCOL upon which the internet is based. Astutely, Xerox Terms of Service included an irrevocable, non-exclusive, perpetual, transferable, worldwide, royalty-free license any data sent over the Ethernet protocol. Which is why Xerox now effectively co-owns everything.
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Nobody? OK, here's another hint to the insane overreach #Bluesky are attempting.
Hint #2 comes from alternative history:
Back in 1974 technology pioneer Robert Metcalfe at Xerox PARC developed the Ethernet PROTOCOL upon which the internet is based. Astutely, Xerox Terms of Service included an irrevocable, non-exclusive, perpetual, transferable, worldwide, royalty-free license any data sent over the Ethernet protocol. Which is why Xerox now effectively co-owns everything.
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Let's make it a game to figure out the insane overreach #Bluesky are attempting.
Hint directly from their Terms of Service (https://staging.bsky.app/support/tos):
a. "...website located at bsky.social (“Site”), [AND!] the Authenticated Transfer [AT] social protocol (“Protocol”)"
b. "...our Site, Protocol, and App... are collectively called the “Services.”"
c. "By making any User Content available through the Services, you hereby grant to Bluesky..."
Any guesses?
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Let's make it a game to figure out the insane overreach #Bluesky are attempting.
Hint directly from their Terms of Service (https://staging.bsky.app/support/tos):
a. "...website located at bsky.social (“Site”), [AND!] the Authenticated Transfer [AT] social protocol (“Protocol”)"
b. "...our Site, Protocol, and App... are collectively called the “Services.”"
c. "By making any User Content available through the Services, you hereby grant to Bluesky..."
Any guesses?
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@austin @thomasfuchs @privacat No, because you did not agree to any Terms of Service with Mastodon that extracts a license for your content. Mastodon is presenting your content, but you have not "effectively" given them anything. The analogy would be talking on the telephone or emailing someone, you don't give the phone company or your ISP a license to content.
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@austin @thomasfuchs @privacat No, because you did not agree to any Terms of Service with Mastodon that extracts a license for your content. Mastodon is presenting your content, but you have not "effectively" given them anything. The analogy would be talking on the telephone or emailing someone, you don't give the phone company or your ISP a license to content.
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@jaycie @fluffy Yes, extracting a content license is not Bluesky specific, however the NOT ALL LICENSES ARE THE SAME. The Bluesky license is much broader than most others, because it is "PERPETUAL, TRANSFERABLE AND WORLDWIDE". It never ends even if you "delete" the content and they can sell it to whomever they want. Also, most licenses have some sort limitation for the purpose of using the content ONLY for the application. Not Bluesky. They can use it for anything they want.
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@jaycie @fluffy Yes, extracting a content license is not Bluesky specific, however the NOT ALL LICENSES ARE THE SAME. The Bluesky license is much broader than most others, because it is "PERPETUAL, TRANSFERABLE AND WORLDWIDE". It never ends even if you "delete" the content and they can sell it to whomever they want. Also, most licenses have some sort limitation for the purpose of using the content ONLY for the application. Not Bluesky. They can use it for anything they want.
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@mastodonmigration On the idea of you (the poster) being the one who is reproducing the content: that's an interesting angle but not one that I've ever seen put forward in my prior reading about copyright. The conventional interpretation is that you, the author, distribute a copy of your content to the website operator, e.g. the Mastodon server owner. The website operator will then choose to make additional copies of that content and distribute those copies to other people, e.g. end users or other server owners. The software of Mastodon/Twitter/Bluesky are simply means of making and distributing all those copies. I suspect it'd be a bit tough to argue that you (author) are the one making and distributing all the copies, because it's the site operator, not you, who is choosing who gets a copy. Dunno if things would be different from a legal perspective on a site with fine-grained access controls. (2/2)
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@mastodonmigration On the idea of you (the poster) being the one who is reproducing the content: that's an interesting angle but not one that I've ever seen put forward in my prior reading about copyright. The conventional interpretation is that you, the author, distribute a copy of your content to the website operator, e.g. the Mastodon server owner. The website operator will then choose to make additional copies of that content and distribute those copies to other people, e.g. end users or other server owners. The software of Mastodon/Twitter/Bluesky are simply means of making and distributing all those copies. I suspect it'd be a bit tough to argue that you (author) are the one making and distributing all the copies, because it's the site operator, not you, who is choosing who gets a copy. Dunno if things would be different from a legal perspective on a site with fine-grained access controls. (2/2)
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@diazona Thanks, sorry for the confusion. The post you replied to is 2/3 in a thread in which the top post says: "You effectively make them co-owners of your content." The sentence in 2/3 relates to that previous context, but it is not as clear as it should be. Secondarily, not sure, but the rationale could be along the lines of it being you that is reproducing the copies by posting your content. Mastodon may simply be the technology you are using to do so.
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@diazona Thanks, sorry for the confusion. The post you replied to is 2/3 in a thread in which the top post says: "You effectively make them co-owners of your content." The sentence in 2/3 relates to that previous context, but it is not as clear as it should be. Secondarily, not sure, but the rationale could be along the lines of it being you that is reproducing the copies by posting your content. Mastodon may simply be the technology you are using to do so.
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@TomDelargy Here is the information that Twitter provides on Deactivating/Deleting your account: https://help.twitter.com/en/managing-your-account/how-to-deactivate-twitter-account
Note: "Deactivating your account does not remove data from Twitter systems."
No mention of the expiration of the content license.
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@TomDelargy Here is the information that Twitter provides on Deactivating/Deleting your account: https://help.twitter.com/en/managing-your-account/how-to-deactivate-twitter-account
Note: "Deactivating your account does not remove data from Twitter systems."
No mention of the expiration of the content license.
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@the100rabh Yes. You have a copyrite to things that you publish on social media. You own the content. The issue under discussion here is that when you publish on corporate social media, by their Terms of Service, you also grant them broad license to your content, so for all intensive purposes they own it too.