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  1. @umbraroze And is still the future! :-)

  2. Coming up on Beltane festival and still in search of software developer work.

    I speak the old tongues of #C, #Forth, #REXX, and #Shell, along with other foreign tongues of #Erlang, #NodeJS, #Go, #Java, #C# and more. I make utterances in #English and #French.

    I command in several BSD and Linux dialects. Even wrote successful anti-spam filtering software #BarricadeMX and several #milters.

    And can brag about winning the @IOCCC (but don't in polite company).

    I seek employment for a worthy cause with remuneration.

    Please someone reach out, if only to stop me pestering you fine folks every so often with this plea.

    snert.com/resume/

    gofundme.com/f/ioccc-winner-se

    #GetFediHired #FediHire #jobseeker #gofundme

  3. Coming up on Beltane festival and still in search of software developer work.

    I speak the old tongues of #C, #Forth, #REXX, and #Shell, along with other foreign tongues of #Erlang, #NodeJS, #Go, #Java, #C# and more. I make utterances in #English and #French.

    I command in several BSD and Linux dialects. Even wrote successful anti-spam filtering software #BarricadeMX and several #milters.

    And can brag about winning the @IOCCC (but don't in polite company).

    I seek employment for a worthy cause with remuneration.

    Please someone reach out, if only to stop me pestering you fine folks every so often with this plea.

    snert.com/resume/

    gofundme.com/f/ioccc-winner-se

    #GetFediHired #FediHire #jobseeker #gofundme

  4. Coming up on Beltane festival and still in search of software developer work.

    I speak the old tongues of #C, #Forth, #REXX, and #Shell, along with other foreign tongues of #Erlang, #NodeJS, #Go, #Java, #C# and more. I make utterances in #English and #French.

    I command in several BSD and Linux dialects. Even wrote successful anti-spam filtering software #BarricadeMX and several #milters.

    And can brag about winning the @IOCCC (but don't in polite company).

    I seek employment for a worthy cause with remuneration.

    Please someone reach out, if only to stop me pestering you fine folks every so often with this plea.

    snert.com/resume/

    gofundme.com/f/ioccc-winner-se

    #GetFediHired #FediHire #jobseeker #gofundme

  5. Coming up on Beltane festival and still in search of software developer work.

    I speak the old tongues of #C, #Forth, #REXX, and #Shell, along with other foreign tongues of #Erlang, #NodeJS, #Go, #Java, #C# and more. I make utterances in #English and #French.

    I command in several BSD and Linux dialects. Even wrote successful anti-spam filtering software #BarricadeMX and several #milters.

    And can brag about winning the @IOCCC (but don't in polite company).

    I seek employment for a worth cause with remuneration.

    Please someone reach out, if only to stop me pestering you fine folks every so often with this plea.

    snert.com/resume/

    gofundme.com/f/ioccc-winner-se

    #GetFediHired #FediHire #jobseeker #gofundme

  6. Coming up on Beltane festival and still in search of software developer work.

    I speak the old tongues of #C, #Forth, #REXX, and #Shell, along with other foreign tongues of #Erlang, #NodeJS, #Go, #Java, #C# and more. I make utterances in #English and #French.

    I command in several BSD and Linux dialects. Even wrote successful anti-spam filtering software #BarricadeMX and several #milters.

    And can brag about winning the @IOCCC (but don't in polite company).

    I seek employment for a worthy cause with remuneration.

    Please someone reach out, if only to stop me pestering you fine folks every so often with this plea.

    snert.com/resume/

    gofundme.com/f/ioccc-winner-se

    #GetFediHired #FediHire #jobseeker #gofundme

  7. Let's just all switch back to #rexx, I'm quite sure the bad "datacenter in space!" people won't bother us then.

  8. Let's just all switch back to #rexx, I'm quite sure the bad "datacenter in space!" people won't bother us then.

  9. Let's just all switch back to #rexx, I'm quite sure the bad "datacenter in space!" people won't bother us then.

  10. Let's just all switch back to #rexx, I'm quite sure the bad "datacenter in space!" people won't bother us then.

  11. Let's just all switch back to #rexx, I'm quite sure the bad "datacenter in space!" people won't bother us then.

  12. @BRicker I was a VM/CMS user in the 1980s and don't think I knew about REXX. I saw Regina Rexx distributed with the Windows 95(?) Resource Kit and possibly the AmigaOS ARexx version before that. I follow current ooRexx development closely, but I have not written any. I don't believe REXX under CMS, TSO, or OS/2 was used as Shell on Unix: EXECs where small macros or scripts, but control constructs could not be used interactively, AFAIK. Happy to hear from mainframe REXX users!

    #rexx

  13. @BRicker I was a VM/CMS user in the 1980s and don't think I knew about REXX. I saw Regina Rexx distributed with the Windows 95(?) Resource Kit and possibly the AmigaOS ARexx version before that. I follow current ooRexx development closely, but I have not written any. I don't believe REXX under CMS, TSO, or OS/2 was used as Shell on Unix: EXECs where small macros or scripts, but control constructs could not be used interactively, AFAIK. Happy to hear from mainframe REXX users!

    #rexx

  14. @BRicker I was a VM/CMS user in the 1980s and don't think I knew about REXX. I saw Regina Rexx distributed with the Windows 95(?) Resource Kit and possibly the AmigaOS ARexx version before that. I follow current ooRexx development closely, but I have not written any. I don't believe REXX under CMS, TSO, or OS/2 was used as Shell on Unix: EXECs where small macros or scripts, but control constructs could not be used interactively, AFAIK. Happy to hear from mainframe REXX users!

    #rexx

  15. @BRicker I was a VM/CMS user in the 1980s and don't think I knew about REXX. I saw Regina Rexx distributed with the Windows 95(?) Resource Kit and possibly the AmigaOS ARexx version before that. I follow current ooRexx development closely, but I have not written any. I don't believe REXX under CMS, TSO, or OS/2 was used as Shell on Unix: EXECs where small macros or scripts, but control constructs could not be used interactively, AFAIK. Happy to hear from mainframe REXX users!

    #rexx

  16. @BRicker I was a VM/CMS user in the 1980s and don't think I knew about REXX. I saw Regina Rexx distributed with the Windows 95(?) Resource Kit and possibly the AmigaOS ARexx version before that. I follow current ooRexx development closely, but I have not written any. I don't believe REXX under CMS, TSO, or OS/2 was used as Shell on Unix: EXECs where small macros or scripts, but control constructs could not be used interactively, AFAIK. Happy to hear from mainframe REXX users!

    #rexx

  17. Blog

    In the latest of his blog entries, Carl Svensson investigates the unsubstantiated claim that Commodore received a REXX license from IBM in exchange for using design ideas from the Amiga Workbench in the development of OS/2 2.0. His conclusion, though: this rumor is not true:

    amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2026-

    #Amiga #IBM #Rexx #blog #Commodore

  18. Blog

    In the latest of his blog entries, Carl Svensson investigates the unsubstantiated claim that Commodore received a REXX license from IBM in exchange for using design ideas from the Amiga Workbench in the development of OS/2 2.0. His conclusion, though: this rumor is not true:

    amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2026-

  19. Blog

    In the latest of his blog entries, Carl Svensson investigates the unsubstantiated claim that Commodore received a REXX license from IBM in exchange for using design ideas from the Amiga Workbench in the development of OS/2 2.0. His conclusion, though: this rumor is not true:

    amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2026-

    #Amiga #IBM #Rexx #blog #Commodore

  20. Blog

    In the latest of his blog entries, Carl Svensson investigates the unsubstantiated claim that Commodore received a REXX license from IBM in exchange for using design ideas from the Amiga Workbench in the development of OS/2 2.0. His conclusion, though: this rumor is not true:

    amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2026-

    #Amiga #IBM #Rexx #blog #Commodore

  21. Blog

    In the latest of his blog entries, Carl Svensson investigates the unsubstantiated claim that Commodore received a REXX license from IBM in exchange for using design ideas from the Amiga Workbench in the development of OS/2 2.0. His conclusion, though: this rumor is not true:

    amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2026-

    #Amiga #IBM #Rexx #blog #Commodore

  22. With some help from the SZE community, I can now log my service uptime and latency in #Db2 using #Golang !

    I've got a service called CompInvZ which links into my Db2Z host to find services, then it periodically tries to connect and records the result back to DB2

    A friend of mine took it a step further and is using #ISPF to interact with Db2 via #REXX

    That means #CICS is next on the list, thanks #Walmart !
    github.com/walmartlabs/zECS

    #Mainframe #IBM #ZOS #programming #COBOL #HLASM

  23. With some help from the SZE community, I can now log my service uptime and latency in #Db2 using #Golang !

    I've got a service called CompInvZ which links into my Db2Z host to find services, then it periodically tries to connect and records the result back to DB2

    A friend of mine took it a step further and is using #ISPF to interact with Db2 via #REXX

    That means #CICS is next on the list, thanks #Walmart !
    github.com/walmartlabs/zECS

    #Mainframe #IBM #ZOS #programming #COBOL #HLASM

  24. With some help from the SZE community, I can now log my service uptime and latency in #Db2 using #Golang !

    I've got a service called CompInvZ which links into my Db2Z host to find services, then it periodically tries to connect and records the result back to DB2

    A friend of mine took it a step further and is using #ISPF to interact with Db2 via #REXX

    That means #CICS is next on the list, thanks #Walmart !
    github.com/walmartlabs/zECS

    #Mainframe #IBM #ZOS #programming #COBOL #HLASM

  25. With some help from the SZE community, I can now log my service uptime and latency in #Db2 using #Golang !

    I've got a service called CompInvZ which links into my Db2Z host to find services, then it periodically tries to connect and records the result back to DB2

    A friend of mine took it a step further and is using #ISPF to interact with Db2 via #REXX

    That means #CICS is next on the list, thanks #Walmart !
    github.com/walmartlabs/zECS

    #Mainframe #IBM #ZOS #programming #COBOL #HLASM

  26. With some help from the SZE community, I can now log my service uptime and latency in #Db2 using #Golang !

    I've got a service called CompInvZ which links into my Db2Z host to find services, then it periodically tries to connect and records the result back to DB2

    A friend of mine took it a step further and is using #ISPF to interact with Db2 via #REXX

    That means #CICS is next on the list, thanks #Walmart !
    github.com/walmartlabs/zECS

    #Mainframe #IBM #ZOS #programming #COBOL #HLASM

  27. OORexx. Класс блокировки ресурсов

    При работе нескольких независимых процессов использующих общие ресурсы, возникает задача синхронизации доступа. Ресурсом может выступать как файл или строчка в файле, так и доступ к железу или же ожидание завершения вычисления в параллельном процессе. Для реализации синхронизации между процессами необходимо иметь возможность межпотокового обмена данными. В OORexx для реализации многопоточной работы есть инструкции « guard » и « reply ». Но они относятся к работе в рамках одного процесса. Для синхронизации работы разных процессов можно использовать семафоры и внешние очереди (каналы). Вот о них мы и поговорим.

    habr.com/ru/articles/967754/

    #oorexx #rexx

  28. OORexx. Класс блокировки ресурсов

    При работе нескольких независимых процессов использующих общие ресурсы, возникает задача синхронизации доступа. Ресурсом может выступать как файл или строчка в файле, так и доступ к железу или же ожидание завершения вычисления в параллельном процессе. Для реализации синхронизации между процессами необходимо иметь возможность межпотокового обмена данными. В OORexx для реализации многопоточной работы есть инструкции « guard » и « reply ». Но они относятся к работе в рамках одного процесса. Для синхронизации работы разных процессов можно использовать семафоры и внешние очереди (каналы). Вот о них мы и поговорим.

    habr.com/ru/articles/967754/

    #oorexx #rexx

  29. OORexx. Класс блокировки ресурсов

    При работе нескольких независимых процессов использующих общие ресурсы, возникает задача синхронизации доступа. Ресурсом может выступать как файл или строчка в файле, так и доступ к железу или же ожидание завершения вычисления в параллельном процессе. Для реализации синхронизации между процессами необходимо иметь возможность межпотокового обмена данными. В OORexx для реализации многопоточной работы есть инструкции « guard » и « reply ». Но они относятся к работе в рамках одного процесса. Для синхронизации работы разных процессов можно использовать семафоры и внешние очереди (каналы). Вот о них мы и поговорим.

    habr.com/ru/articles/967754/

    #oorexx #rexx

  30. I'm leaning toward #Forth for #AdventOfCode2025. I've been looking at Forth and #Rexx and the whole "build your own kitchen sink" feeling appeals to me. I see some libraries out there, but I can avoid them :)

    Being on an Apple Silicon Mac limits my selection of Forths--no Rosetta no how. I had hoped for more pure C engines than I found.

    gforth is the big kid on the block, but last time I played with it I couldn't build it myself (a soft requirement). Installs and runs well, but feels "big" and I'm looking for "small."

    pforth github.com/philburk/pforth is an early favorite. I crash it sometimes but that's my bad code.. Feels solid with correct code.

    fforth (this one) cowlark.com/fforth/index.html builds and runs like greased lightning.

    muforth github.com/nimblemachines/mufo would probably simulate the programming for a dedicated device experience. I'd have to see if its ARM support could run under a container on my Mac. Maybe qemu?

    If anyone sees this and has suggestions for something I missed please let me know.

  31. I'm leaning toward #Forth for #AdventOfCode2025. I've been looking at Forth and #Rexx and the whole "build your own kitchen sink" feeling appeals to me. I see some libraries out there, but I can avoid them :)

    Being on an Apple Silicon Mac limits my selection of Forths--no Rosetta no how. I had hoped for more pure C engines than I found.

    gforth is the big kid on the block, but last time I played with it I couldn't build it myself (a soft requirement). Installs and runs well, but feels "big" and I'm looking for "small."

    pforth github.com/philburk/pforth is an early favorite. I crash it sometimes but that's my bad code.. Feels solid with correct code.

    fforth (this one) cowlark.com/fforth/index.html builds and runs like greased lightning.

    muforth github.com/nimblemachines/mufo would probably simulate the programming for a dedicated device experience. I'd have to see if its ARM support could run under a container on my Mac. Maybe qemu?

    If anyone sees this and has suggestions for something I missed please let me know.

  32. I'm leaning toward #Forth for #AdventOfCode2025. I've been looking at Forth and #Rexx and the whole "build your own kitchen sink" feeling appeals to me. I see some libraries out there, but I can avoid them :)

    Being on an Apple Silicon Mac limits my selection of Forths--no Rosetta no how. I had hoped for more pure C engines than I found.

    gforth is the big kid on the block, but last time I played with it I couldn't build it myself (a soft requirement). Installs and runs well, but feels "big" and I'm looking for "small."

    pforth github.com/philburk/pforth is an early favorite. I crash it sometimes but that's my bad code.. Feels solid with correct code.

    fforth (this one) cowlark.com/fforth/index.html builds and runs like greased lightning.

    muforth github.com/nimblemachines/mufo would probably simulate the programming for a dedicated device experience. I'd have to see if its ARM support could run under a container on my Mac. Maybe qemu?

    If anyone sees this and has suggestions for something I missed please let me know.

  33. I'm leaning toward for . I've been looking at Forth and and the whole "build your own kitchen sink" feeling appeals to me. I see some libraries out there, but I can avoid them :)

    Being on an Apple Silicon Mac limits my selection of Forths--no Rosetta no how. I had hoped for more pure C engines than I found.

    gforth is the big kid on the block, but last time I played with it I couldn't build it myself (a soft requirement). Installs and runs well, but feels "big" and I'm looking for "small."

    pforth github.com/philburk/pforth is an early favorite. I crash it sometimes but that's my bad code.. Feels solid with correct code.

    fforth (this one) cowlark.com/fforth/index.html builds and runs like greased lightning.

    muforth github.com/nimblemachines/mufo would probably simulate the programming for a dedicated device experience. I'd have to see if its ARM support could run under a container on my Mac. Maybe qemu?

    If anyone sees this and has suggestions for something I missed please let me know.

  34. Coming back here ... too much post-apocalyptic news and politics elsewhere.

    I'm gearing up for #AdventOfCode2025 and trying to decide which language to use. It's either

    #Pascal, which I know well.
    #Forth, which I haven't seriously looked at in a few decades.
    #Rexx, same as Forth (on *nix, not a mainframe).

    I've done AoC in Pascal, C, and Fortran in the past. All work well, but if I don't try a new language, I'll go with my first love in FPC Pascal.

    Anyone who might see this, do you have opinions/recommendations/experience with using Forth or Rexx for #AdventOfCode? I've got a month to re-familiarize myself with either Forth or Rexx.

  35. Coming back here ... too much post-apocalyptic news and politics elsewhere.

    I'm gearing up for #AdventOfCode2025 and trying to decide which language to use. It's either

    #Pascal, which I know well.
    #Forth, which I haven't seriously looked at in a few decades.
    #Rexx, same as Forth (on *nix, not a mainframe).

    I've done AoC in Pascal, C, and Fortran in the past. All work well, but if I don't try a new language, I'll go with my first love in FPC Pascal.

    Anyone who might see this, do you have opinions/recommendations/experience with using Forth or Rexx for #AdventOfCode? I've got a month to re-familiarize myself with either Forth or Rexx.

  36. Coming back here ... too much post-apocalyptic news and politics elsewhere.

    I'm gearing up for #AdventOfCode2025 and trying to decide which language to use. It's either

    #Pascal, which I know well.
    #Forth, which I haven't seriously looked at in a few decades.
    #Rexx, same as Forth (on *nix, not a mainframe).

    I've done AoC in Pascal, C, and Fortran in the past. All work well, but if I don't try a new language, I'll go with my first love in FPC Pascal.

    Anyone who might see this, do you have opinions/recommendations/experience with using Forth or Rexx for #AdventOfCode? I've got a month to re-familiarize myself with either Forth or Rexx.

  37. Coming back here ... too much post-apocalyptic news and politics elsewhere.

    I'm gearing up for #AdventOfCode2025 and trying to decide which language to use. It's either

    #Pascal, which I know well.
    #Forth, which I haven't seriously looked at in a few decades.
    #Rexx, same as Forth (on *nix, not a mainframe).

    I've done AoC in Pascal, C, and Fortran in the past. All work well, but if I don't try a new language, I'll go with my first love in FPC Pascal.

    Anyone who might see this, do you have opinions/recommendations/experience with using Forth or Rexx for #AdventOfCode? I've got a month to re-familiarize myself with either Forth or Rexx.

  38. Coming back here ... too much post-apocalyptic news and politics elsewhere.

    I'm gearing up for and trying to decide which language to use. It's either

    , which I know well.
    , which I haven't seriously looked at in a few decades.
    , same as Forth (on *nix, not a mainframe).

    I've done AoC in Pascal, C, and Fortran in the past. All work well, but if I don't try a new language, I'll go with my first love in FPC Pascal.

    Anyone who might see this, do you have opinions/recommendations/experience with using Forth or Rexx for ? I've got a month to re-familiarize myself with either Forth or Rexx.

  39. Cowliwshaw in "The REXX Language" (1985) outlines the purpose of REXX as a (what we later call) scripting language:

    - Personal programming (for a few people)
    - Tailoring user commands (Shell scripts, wrappers, etc.)
    - Macros (embedding)
    - Prototype development (for a short time)

    Automation and "glue" code (Ousterhout, 1998) are other functions for general purpose scripting languages.

    This is orthogonal to interactive Shells though.

    #shell #rexx

  40. Cowliwshaw in "The REXX Language" (1985) outlines the purpose of REXX as a (what we later call) scripting language:

    - Personal programming (for a few people)
    - Tailoring user commands (Shell scripts, wrappers, etc.)
    - Macros (embedding)
    - Prototype development (for a short time)

    Automation and "glue" code (Ousterhout, 1998) are other functions for general purpose scripting languages.

    This is orthogonal to interactive Shells though.

    #shell #rexx

  41. Cowliwshaw in "The REXX Language" (1985) outlines the purpose of REXX as a (what we later call) scripting language:

    - Personal programming (for a few people)
    - Tailoring user commands (Shell scripts, wrappers, etc.)
    - Macros (embedding)
    - Prototype development (for a short time)

    Automation and "glue" code (Ousterhout, 1998) are other functions for general purpose scripting languages.

    This is orthogonal to interactive Shells though.

    #shell #rexx

  42. Cowliwshaw in "The REXX Language" (1985) outlines the purpose of REXX as a (what we later call) scripting language:

    - Personal programming (for a few people)
    - Tailoring user commands (Shell scripts, wrappers, etc.)
    - Macros (embedding)
    - Prototype development (for a short time)

    Automation and "glue" code (Ousterhout, 1998) are other functions for general purpose scripting languages.

    This is orthogonal to interactive Shells though.

    #shell #rexx

  43. Debating taking a mental health day off work, but the most difficult task I have today is reading a script for a meeting....

    Maybe I'll hide my nose in some #COBOL or #REXX for a bit..

  44. Debating taking a mental health day off work, but the most difficult task I have today is reading a script for a meeting....

    Maybe I'll hide my nose in some #COBOL or #REXX for a bit..

  45. Debating taking a mental health day off work, but the most difficult task I have today is reading a script for a meeting....

    Maybe I'll hide my nose in some #COBOL or #REXX for a bit..

  46. Debating taking a mental health day off work, but the most difficult task I have today is reading a script for a meeting....

    Maybe I'll hide my nose in some #COBOL or #REXX for a bit..

  47. Debating taking a mental health day off work, but the most difficult task I have today is reading a script for a meeting....

    Maybe I'll hide my nose in some #COBOL or #REXX for a bit..

  48. A while back I tackled the idea of converting my #budget #spreadsheet to a normal Program.. With reports, transaction processing, and lots of traditional #Banking features I decided to use #RetroComputing #Mainframe tools and languages like #REXX, #VSAM, #IBM S370 a la MVS Tk5, and now #COBOL has joined the project to replace some #x86 (or Z) #Golang preprocessing. Not just any COBOL, #MVT COBOL'68 which lacks MANY modern/OOP/String functionality as they're commonly known.. Hello PIC X OCCURS!

  49. A while back I tackled the idea of converting my #budget #spreadsheet to a normal Program.. With reports, transaction processing, and lots of traditional #Banking features I decided to use #RetroComputing #Mainframe tools and languages like #REXX, #VSAM, #IBM S370 a la MVS Tk5, and now #COBOL has joined the project to replace some #x86 (or Z) #Golang preprocessing. Not just any COBOL, #MVT COBOL'68 which lacks MANY modern/OOP/String functionality as they're commonly known.. Hello PIC X OCCURS!

  50. A while back I tackled the idea of converting my #budget #spreadsheet to a normal Program.. With reports, transaction processing, and lots of traditional #Banking features I decided to use #RetroComputing #Mainframe tools and languages like #REXX, #VSAM, #IBM S370 a la MVS Tk5, and now #COBOL has joined the project to replace some #x86 (or Z) #Golang preprocessing. Not just any COBOL, #MVT COBOL'68 which lacks MANY modern/OOP/String functionality as they're commonly known.. Hello PIC X OCCURS!

  51. A while back I tackled the idea of converting my #budget #spreadsheet to a normal Program.. With reports, transaction processing, and lots of traditional #Banking features I decided to use #RetroComputing #Mainframe tools and languages like #REXX, #VSAM, #IBM S370 a la MVS Tk5, and now #COBOL has joined the project to replace some #x86 (or Z) #Golang preprocessing. Not just any COBOL, #MVT COBOL'68 which lacks MANY modern/OOP/String functionality as they're commonly known.. Hello PIC X OCCURS!

  52. A while back I tackled the idea of converting my #budget #spreadsheet to a normal Program.. With reports, transaction processing, and lots of traditional #Banking features I decided to use #RetroComputing #Mainframe tools and languages like #REXX, #VSAM, #IBM S370 a la MVS Tk5, and now #COBOL has joined the project to replace some #x86 (or Z) #Golang preprocessing. Not just any COBOL, #MVT COBOL'68 which lacks MANY modern/OOP/String functionality as they're commonly known.. Hello PIC X OCCURS!

  53. I've completed "Code Chronicle" - Day 25 - Advent of Code 2024. 50 stars in the bag.

    Using REXX made some things difficult. But in some cases, it was probably actually easier to deal with than a typical { } style language.

    adventofcode.com/2024/day/25

  54. I've completed "Hoof It" - Day 10 - Advent of Code 2024

    I somehow managed to accidentally do part 2 first. So that ended up being pretty quick.

    adventofcode.com/2024/day/10

  55. noch mehr Retro-Buecher

    3 Buecher:
    - SuSE Linux 4.2
    - GNU make
    - Die Programmiersprache REXX

    #SuSE #SuSE4.2 #GNUmake #REXX

    @stiefkind