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@zockbursche

"The code of Nolto is still available but it is questionable if it can be a foundation for a reliable platform."

The problem as I see it (and we're seeing it again now with Discord and previously with Pixelfed &c &c &c) is that people are looking for a replacement for a software platform with an extended history and a well-established critical mass

Neither any Discord replacement nor any Linkedin replacement can have that history and pre-existing critical mass -- they're brand new

So it's not "Can I code a Linkedin replacement, maybe throwing in a little AI for spice in my spare time?" but will there be anyone waiting for me to participate when someone new gets on

That's what's missing: not the functionality, but the preexisting user base

Being a pioneer is a lonely bit of work, either as a dev *or* as a user

#Nolto #LinkedIn #AI #LovableApp #Fediverse #HolosDiscover #HolosIndex #Mastodon #Fediverse #ActivityPub

@zockbursche

"The code of Nolto is still available but it is questionable if it can be a foundation for a reliable platform."

The problem as I see it (and we're seeing it again now with Discord and previously with Pixelfed &c &c &c) is that people are looking for a replacement for a software platform with an extended history and a well-established critical mass

Neither any Discord replacement nor any Linkedin replacement can have that history and pre-existing critical mass -- they're brand new

So it's not "Can I code a Linkedin replacement, maybe throwing in a little AI for spice in my spare time?" but will there be anyone waiting for me to participate when someone new gets on

That's what's missing: not the functionality, but the preexisting user base

Being a pioneer is a lonely bit of work, either as a dev *or* as a user

#Nolto #LinkedIn #AI #LovableApp #Fediverse #HolosDiscover #HolosIndex #Mastodon #Fediverse #ActivityPub

@zockbursche

"The code of Nolto is still available but it is questionable if it can be a foundation for a reliable platform."

The problem as I see it (and we're seeing it again now with Discord and previously with Pixelfed &c &c &c) is that people are looking for a replacement for a software platform with an extended history and a well-established critical mass

Neither any Discord replacement nor any Linkedin replacement can have that history and pre-existing critical mass -- they're brand new

So it's not "Can I code a Linkedin replacement, maybe throwing in a little AI for spice in my spare time?" but will there be anyone waiting for me to participate when someone new gets on

That's what's missing: not the functionality, but the preexisting user base

Being a pioneer is a lonely bit of work, either as a dev *or* as a user

#Nolto #LinkedIn #AI #LovableApp #Fediverse #HolosDiscover #HolosIndex #Mastodon #Fediverse #ActivityPub

@zockbursche

"The code of Nolto is still available but it is questionable if it can be a foundation for a reliable platform."

The problem as I see it (and we're seeing it again now with Discord and previously with Pixelfed &c &c &c) is that people are looking for a replacement for a software platform with an extended history and a well-established critical mass

Neither any Discord replacement nor any Linkedin replacement can have that history and pre-existing critical mass -- they're brand new

So it's not "Can I code a Linkedin replacement, maybe throwing in a little AI for spice in my spare time?" but will there be anyone waiting for me to participate when someone new gets on

That's what's missing: not the functionality, but the preexisting user base

Being a pioneer is a lonely bit of work, either as a dev *or* as a user

#Nolto #LinkedIn #AI #LovableApp #Fediverse #HolosDiscover #HolosIndex #Mastodon #Fediverse #ActivityPub

@zockbursche

"The code of Nolto is still available but it is questionable if it can be a foundation for a reliable platform."

The problem as I see it (and we're seeing it again now with Discord and previously with Pixelfed &c &c &c) is that people are looking for a replacement for a software platform with an extended history and a well-established critical mass

Neither any Discord replacement nor any Linkedin replacement can have that history and pre-existing critical mass -- they're brand new

So it's not "Can I code a Linkedin replacement, maybe throwing in a little AI for spice in my spare time?" but will there be anyone waiting for me to participate when someone new gets on

That's what's missing: not the functionality, but the preexisting user base

Being a pioneer is a lonely bit of work, either as a dev *or* as a user

#Nolto #LinkedIn #AI #LovableApp #Fediverse #HolosDiscover #HolosIndex #Mastodon #Fediverse #ActivityPub

@apps

It seems this issue has resurrected, or resumed

My entire point (all the noise notwithstanding) focused on

Default opt-in versus default opt-out

This is an agent --> recipient transaction

Default opt-in: the recipient is opted into (and participates in) the agent's action whether the recipient --> knows of <-- the action or not

Default opt-out: the recipient is opted out of (and cannot participate in) the action whether the recipient --> knows of <-- the action or not

Neither default opt-in nor default opt-out have any logical meaning if THE RECIPIENT DOES NOT KNOW OF THE AGENT in advance

Here is one of the oldest prior discussions I participated in on Github with Ryan (snarfed) Barrett re: bridgy-fed back starting in February of 2024

Read all of it; it's very long

Here: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/880#issue-2136207725

With that, I'm out

Y'all have fun, eh?

#HolosDiscover #HolosIndex #Mastodon #Fediverse #ActivityPub

@apps

It seems this issue has resurrected, or resumed

My entire point (all the noise notwithstanding) focused on

Default opt-in versus default opt-out

This is an agent --> recipient transaction

Default opt-in: the recipient is opted into (and participates in) the agent's action whether the recipient --> knows of <-- the action or not

Default opt-out: the recipient is opted out of (and cannot participate in) the action whether the recipient --> knows of <-- the action or not

Neither default opt-in nor default opt-out have any logical meaning if THE RECIPIENT DOES NOT KNOW OF THE AGENT in advance

Here is one of the oldest prior discussions I participated in on Github with Ryan (snarfed) Barrett re: bridgy-fed back starting in February of 2024

Read all of it; it's very long

Here: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/880#issue-2136207725

With that, I'm out

Y'all have fun, eh?

#HolosDiscover #HolosIndex #Mastodon #Fediverse #ActivityPub

@apps

It seems this issue has resurrected, or resumed

My entire point (all the noise notwithstanding) focused on

Default opt-in versus default opt-out

This is an agent --> recipient transaction

Default opt-in: the recipient is opted into (and participates in) the agent's action whether the recipient --> knows of <-- the action or not

Default opt-out: the recipient is opted out of (and cannot participate in) the action whether the recipient --> knows of <-- the action or not

Neither default opt-in nor default opt-out have any logical meaning if THE RECIPIENT DOES NOT KNOW OF THE AGENT in advance

Here is one of the oldest prior discussions I participated in on Github with Ryan (snarfed) Barrett re: bridgy-fed back starting in February of 2024

Read all of it; it's very long

Here: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/880#issue-2136207725

With that, I'm out

Y'all have fun, eh?

#HolosDiscover #HolosIndex #Mastodon #Fediverse #ActivityPub

@apps

It seems this issue has resurrected, or resumed

My entire point (all the noise notwithstanding) focused on

Default opt-in versus default opt-out

This is an agent --> recipient transaction

Default opt-in: the recipient is opted into (and participates in) the agent's action whether the recipient --> knows of <-- the action or not

Default opt-out: the recipient is opted out of (and cannot participate in) the action whether the recipient --> knows of <-- the action or not

Neither default opt-in nor default opt-out have any logical meaning if THE RECIPIENT DOES NOT KNOW OF THE AGENT in advance

Here is one of the oldest prior discussions I participated in on Github with Ryan (snarfed) Barrett re: bridgy-fed back starting in February of 2024

Read all of it; it's very long

Here: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/880#issue-2136207725

With that, I'm out

Y'all have fun, eh?

#HolosDiscover #HolosIndex #Mastodon #Fediverse #ActivityPub

@apps

It seems this issue has resurrected, or resumed

My entire point (all the noise notwithstanding) focused on

Default opt-in versus default opt-out

This is an agent --> recipient transaction

Default opt-in: the recipient is opted into (and participates in) the agent's action whether the recipient --> knows of <-- the action or not

Default opt-out: the recipient is opted out of (and cannot participate in) the action whether the recipient --> knows of <-- the action or not

Neither default opt-in nor default opt-out have any logical meaning if THE RECIPIENT DOES NOT KNOW OF THE AGENT in advance

Here is one of the oldest prior discussions I participated in on Github with Ryan (snarfed) Barrett re: bridgy-fed back starting in February of 2024

Read all of it; it's very long

Here: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/880#issue-2136207725

With that, I'm out

Y'all have fun, eh?

#HolosDiscover #HolosIndex #Mastodon #Fediverse #ActivityPub

After shutting down #HolosDiscover, we're rethinking the approach with #HolosIndex: users explicitly opt in by adding #HolosIndex to their bio with interest tags, then submit their profile. No assumptions, no default settings.
This will power interest-based discovery across the #Fediverse, helping people find each other through shared interests. Still all through #ActivityPub of course, with real-time deletions and updates.

After shutting down #HolosDiscover, we're rethinking the approach with #HolosIndex: users explicitly opt in by adding #HolosIndex to their bio with interest tags, then submit their profile. No assumptions, no default settings.
This will power interest-based discovery across the #Fediverse, helping people find each other through shared interests. Still all through #ActivityPub of course, with real-time deletions and updates.

After shutting down #HolosDiscover, we're rethinking the approach with #HolosIndex: users explicitly opt in by adding #HolosIndex to their bio with interest tags, then submit their profile. No assumptions, no default settings.
This will power interest-based discovery across the #Fediverse, helping people find each other through shared interests. Still all through #ActivityPub of course, with real-time deletions and updates.

After shutting down #HolosDiscover, we're rethinking the approach with #HolosIndex: users explicitly opt in by adding #HolosIndex to their bio with interest tags, then submit their profile. No assumptions, no default settings.
This will power interest-based discovery across the #Fediverse, helping people find each other through shared interests. Still all through #ActivityPub of course, with real-time deletions and updates.

After shutting down #HolosDiscover, we're rethinking the approach with #HolosIndex: users explicitly opt in by adding #HolosIndex to their bio with interest tags, then submit their profile. No assumptions, no default settings.
This will power interest-based discovery across the #Fediverse, helping people find each other through shared interests. Still all through #ActivityPub of course, with real-time deletions and updates.