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  1. CW: FemRevenge: Even Lambs Have Teeth (Reaction 2/?)

    Oh, thank goodness, Jason is out of the film after the first scene. My sweet boy is safe from becoming a villain, we can all breathe out now.

    Okay, this movie is genuinely really well made and grabs me from the get go. Definitely faster paced, and has fun witty dialogue that can almost be Whedon or Tarantino-esque at times, which I am a sucker for.

    Had to pause to run an errand and was genuinely hard to walk away from, despite the harrowing content.

    #FemRevenge #EvenLambsHaveTeeth

  2. CW: FemRevenge: Even Lambs Have Teeth (Reaction 1/?)

    Next up for the #FemRevengeFlick marathon is “Even Lambs Have Teeth” (2015).

    Again, I know almost nothing about this film, so let’s see what happens!

    Anywho…movie starting, friends hanging out in rural area….wait, is that….it’s Jason from the Good Place! Oh Jason, please don’t do something horrible. I don’t know what I’ll do if my precious, naive Molotov cocktail thrower does something evil. 😅

    #FemRevenge #EvenLambsHaveTeeth

  3. CW: FemRevenge: Even Lambs Have Teeth (Reaction 1/?)

    Next up for the marathon is “Even Lambs Have Teeth” (2015).

    Again, I know almost nothing about this film, so let’s see what happens!

    Anywho…movie starting, friends hanging out in rural area….wait, is that….it’s Jason from the Good Place! Oh Jason, please don’t do something horrible. I don’t know what I’ll do if my precious, naive Molotov cocktail thrower does something evil. 😅

  4. CW: FemRevenge: Even Lambs Have Teeth (Reaction 1/?)

    Next up for the #FemRevengeFlick marathon is “Even Lambs Have Teeth” (2015).

    Again, I know almost nothing about this film, so let’s see what happens!

    Anywho…movie starting, friends hanging out in rural area….wait, is that….it’s Jason from the Good Place! Oh Jason, please don’t do something horrible. I don’t know what I’ll do if my precious, naive Molotov cocktail thrower does something evil. 😅

    #FemRevenge #EvenLambsHaveTeeth

  5. Oh, and before I forget, in case someone comes across this who actually enjoys or loves the movie Tamara (2005), or got something positive out of it, that's not bad or invalid or something one should feel guilty of. There is enough ambiguity here that I can imagine experiences of this movie that aren't horrible, especially for a teen girl who might have watched it in 2005.

    So place all of the above analysis in frame of this being my personal map of the #FemRevenge genre and how I read these films. There are some things in all of these movies that are probably just straightforwardly problematic (e.g. gayness as punishment, rural and working class people as threat to the urban middle class), but that doesn't mean one is awful for enjoying or taking something important from movies like these.

  6. So, the first two films of this #FemRevenge horror hyperfocus movie marathon really map out a contrast of different possibilities in the genre.

    "I Spit On Your Grave" (1978) primarily places us in the gaze of the survivor, it portrays SA as violent and horrible, and the revenge is not equated to the original violence, but is a method for catharsis and restoration on the part of the survivor.

    "Tamara" places us mostly in the gaze of the perpetrators, it plays the potential statutory rape of a child like she is an aggressor and rival, the violence done to her is minimized, and the violence she does is equated to the violence done to her. The only people restored in the end are those that the film deems "innocent" and representing status quo norms more or less.

    So, when it feels helpful going forward, I'll probably use these two as guideposts or cardinal directions for discussing how movies handle key areas in the Fem Revenge genre, since they map the territory so well.

    #FemRevenge #FemRevengeFlick #ISpitOnYourGrave #TamaraMovie

  7. So, the first two films of this horror hyperfocus movie marathon really map out a contrast of different possibilities in the genre.

    "I Spit On Your Grave" (1978) primarily places us in the gaze of the survivor, it portrays SA as violent and horrible, and the revenge is not equated to the original violence, but is a method for catharsis and restoration on the part of the survivor.

    "Tamara" places us mostly in the gaze of the perpetrators, it plays the potential statutory rape of a child like she is an aggressor and rival, the violence done to her is minimized, and the violence she does is equated to the violence done to her. The only people restored in the end are those that the film deems "innocent" and representing status quo norms more or less.

    So, when it feels helpful going forward, I'll probably use these two as guideposts or cardinal directions for discussing how movies handle key areas in the Fem Revenge genre, since they map the territory so well.

  8. So, the first two films of this #FemRevenge horror hyperfocus movie marathon really map out a contrast of different possibilities in the genre.

    "I Spit On Your Grave" (1978) primarily places us in the gaze of the survivor, it portrays SA as violent and horrible, and the revenge is not equated to the original violence, but is a method for catharsis and restoration on the part of the survivor.

    "Tamara" places us mostly in the gaze of the perpetrators, it plays the potential statutory rape of a child like she is an aggressor and rival, the violence done to her is minimized, and the violence she does is equated to the violence done to her. The only people restored in the end are those that the film deems "innocent" and representing status quo norms more or less.

    So, when it feels helpful going forward, I'll probably use these two as guideposts or cardinal directions for discussing how movies handle key areas in the Fem Revenge genre, since they map the territory so well.

    #FemRevenge #FemRevengeFlick #ISpitOnYourGrave #TamaraMovie

  9. CW: Fem Revenge: Tamara - Review (9/?)

    Lastly, the structure is conflicting and messy when one lays it out.

    The story starts with everyone but Tamara feeling safe and normal in a status quo white suburbia. We are asked to empathize with Tamara's experience of not being safe in that setting, but she's also partially blamed for it by being attracted to her teacher. And it's normal for many teenagers to sometimes develop a crush or attraction to an adult in their lives like a teacher, and she shouldn't be blamed for that in my opinion (though it is not excusable for the adults to not treat it as clearly SA at the idea of a teacher taking advantage of that crush...ick ick ick).

    The violence is perpetrated by the middle-class, mostly white popular kids. If Tamara was really our protagonist, then this would be more like new horror cinema by framing the familiar as dangerous and monstrous. Instead, from there on the bullies, the teacher, and his wife become the protagonists, and Tamara is the monster. The person who was different and didn't belong in the familiar and status quo was the threat and monstrosity all along. So...we're leaning back towards the old horror structure.

    Finally, the heroes of the movie are Chloe, the superego of the film representing the voice of social norms, and the teacher + wife who basically signify the aspiration to nuclear family (since them wanting to have a kid is almost their only personality in the movie). In the end, while one member of the nuclear family dies by sacrificing himself, the superego and half the nuclear family survive, as the magic is ended and the status quo is restored in the familiar world.

    This is, basically, a deeply conservative message compared to the Fem Revenge movies that I would argue handle these tropes and criteria better.

    To drive the point home, the weapon used by Tamara as a slasher is a teenage girl's sexuality. Basically, it ends almost explicitly stating that feminine sexuality is dangerous and manipulative and must be stopped. And that's it. Ugh.

    #FemRevenge #TamaraMovie

  10. CW: Fem Revenge: Tamara - Review (9/?)

    Lastly, the structure is conflicting and messy when one lays it out.

    The story starts with everyone but Tamara feeling safe and normal in a status quo white suburbia. We are asked to empathize with Tamara's experience of not being safe in that setting, but she's also partially blamed for it by being attracted to her teacher. And it's normal for many teenagers to sometimes develop a crush or attraction to an adult in their lives like a teacher, and she shouldn't be blamed for that in my opinion (though it is not excusable for the adults to not treat it as clearly SA at the idea of a teacher taking advantage of that crush...ick ick ick).

    The violence is perpetrated by the middle-class, mostly white popular kids. If Tamara was really our protagonist, then this would be more like new horror cinema by framing the familiar as dangerous and monstrous. Instead, from there on the bullies, the teacher, and his wife become the protagonists, and Tamara is the monster. The person who was different and didn't belong in the familiar and status quo was the threat and monstrosity all along. So...we're leaning back towards the old horror structure.

    Finally, the heroes of the movie are Chloe, the superego of the film representing the voice of social norms, and the teacher + wife who basically signify the aspiration to nuclear family (since them wanting to have a kid is almost their only personality in the movie). In the end, while one member of the nuclear family dies by sacrificing himself, the superego and half the nuclear family survive, as the magic is ended and the status quo is restored in the familiar world.

    This is, basically, a deeply conservative message compared to the Fem Revenge movies that I would argue handle these tropes and criteria better.

    To drive the point home, the weapon used by Tamara as a slasher is a teenage girl's sexuality. Basically, it ends almost explicitly stating that feminine sexuality is dangerous and manipulative and must be stopped. And that's it. Ugh.

  11. CW: Fem Revenge: Tamara - Review (9/?)

    Lastly, the structure is conflicting and messy when one lays it out.

    The story starts with everyone but Tamara feeling safe and normal in a status quo white suburbia. We are asked to empathize with Tamara's experience of not being safe in that setting, but she's also partially blamed for it by being attracted to her teacher. And it's normal for many teenagers to sometimes develop a crush or attraction to an adult in their lives like a teacher, and she shouldn't be blamed for that in my opinion (though it is not excusable for the adults to not treat it as clearly SA at the idea of a teacher taking advantage of that crush...ick ick ick).

    The violence is perpetrated by the middle-class, mostly white popular kids. If Tamara was really our protagonist, then this would be more like new horror cinema by framing the familiar as dangerous and monstrous. Instead, from there on the bullies, the teacher, and his wife become the protagonists, and Tamara is the monster. The person who was different and didn't belong in the familiar and status quo was the threat and monstrosity all along. So...we're leaning back towards the old horror structure.

    Finally, the heroes of the movie are Chloe, the superego of the film representing the voice of social norms, and the teacher + wife who basically signify the aspiration to nuclear family (since them wanting to have a kid is almost their only personality in the movie). In the end, while one member of the nuclear family dies by sacrificing himself, the superego and half the nuclear family survive, as the magic is ended and the status quo is restored in the familiar world.

    This is, basically, a deeply conservative message compared to the Fem Revenge movies that I would argue handle these tropes and criteria better.

    To drive the point home, the weapon used by Tamara as a slasher is a teenage girl's sexuality. Basically, it ends almost explicitly stating that feminine sexuality is dangerous and manipulative and must be stopped. And that's it. Ugh.

    #FemRevenge #TamaraMovie

  12. CW: CW: Eating Disorder - Fem Revenge: Tamara - Review (8/?)

    Oh, I forgot, there was another messed up punishment on a character I forgot to mention because she is so underdeveloped. Literally, I don't think she has a single page of lines in the entire film. Her role is "head mean girl dating jock"...and she is just kind of there for most of the movie, rarely saying or doing anything. She is also the only Black woman in the movie, which makes it doubly messed up that she is characterized this way.

    Anywho, Tamara reveals that the mean girl has bulemia, and it's shown as a shameful individual failure out of vanity. She then "punishes" Tamara by making her vomit and then binge eat until she starts chewing on her own fingers. That's right, this time she victim blames some with an eating disorder and then punishes her with the eating disorder.

    This is right up there with punishment by gayness as something that is portrayed in a way that is very bad way that has aged poorly as fuck.

    #FemRevenge #TamaraMovie

  13. CW: CW: Eating Disorder - Fem Revenge: Tamara - Review (8/?)

    Oh, I forgot, there was another messed up punishment on a character I forgot to mention because she is so underdeveloped. Literally, I don't think she has a single page of lines in the entire film. Her role is "head mean girl dating jock"...and she is just kind of there for most of the movie, rarely saying or doing anything. She is also the only Black woman in the movie, which makes it doubly messed up that she is characterized this way.

    Anywho, Tamara reveals that the mean girl has bulemia, and it's shown as a shameful individual failure out of vanity. She then "punishes" Tamara by making her vomit and then binge eat until she starts chewing on her own fingers. That's right, this time she victim blames some with an eating disorder and then punishes her with the eating disorder.

    This is right up there with punishment by gayness as something that is portrayed in a way that is very bad way that has aged poorly as fuck.

  14. CW: CW: Eating Disorder - Fem Revenge: Tamara - Review (8/?)

    Oh, I forgot, there was another messed up punishment on a character I forgot to mention because she is so underdeveloped. Literally, I don't think she has a single page of lines in the entire film. Her role is "head mean girl dating jock"...and she is just kind of there for most of the movie, rarely saying or doing anything. She is also the only Black woman in the movie, which makes it doubly messed up that she is characterized this way.

    Anywho, Tamara reveals that the mean girl has bulemia, and it's shown as a shameful individual failure out of vanity. She then "punishes" Tamara by making her vomit and then binge eat until she starts chewing on her own fingers. That's right, this time she victim blames some with an eating disorder and then punishes her with the eating disorder.

    This is right up there with punishment by gayness as something that is portrayed in a way that is very bad way that has aged poorly as fuck.

    #FemRevenge #TamaraMovie

  15. CW: Fem Revenge: Tamara - Review (7/?)

    There is one kill that is done better overall on these criteria I've laid out.

    At one point, we are looking from Tamara's gaze in the mirror as she gets dressed, and her father walks up behind her, leering at her in a creepy way, and saying she looks pretty before asking for a hug. It's revealed at that point that he has done pervy and creeping things towards her in the past. And it is shown to be clearly his fault and something wrong he did. And we see the harm through Tamara's eyes, not her father's.

    She then commands him to kill himself by eating all the glass beer bottles in the fridge. This leads to probably the only genuinely creative kill in the movie, with a definite visceral reaction when the result is shown after his body is discovered.

    So yeah, this one scene, actually not the worst!

    #FemRevenge #TamaraMovie

  16. CW: Fem Revenge: Tamara - Review (7/?)

    There is one kill that is done better overall on these criteria I've laid out.

    At one point, we are looking from Tamara's gaze in the mirror as she gets dressed, and her father walks up behind her, leering at her in a creepy way, and saying she looks pretty before asking for a hug. It's revealed at that point that he has done pervy and creeping things towards her in the past. And it is shown to be clearly his fault and something wrong he did. And we see the harm through Tamara's eyes, not her father's.

    She then commands him to kill himself by eating all the glass beer bottles in the fridge. This leads to probably the only genuinely creative kill in the movie, with a definite visceral reaction when the result is shown after his body is discovered.

    So yeah, this one scene, actually not the worst!

  17. CW: Fem Revenge: Tamara - Review (7/?)

    There is one kill that is done better overall on these criteria I've laid out.

    At one point, we are looking from Tamara's gaze in the mirror as she gets dressed, and her father walks up behind her, leering at her in a creepy way, and saying she looks pretty before asking for a hug. It's revealed at that point that he has done pervy and creeping things towards her in the past. And it is shown to be clearly his fault and something wrong he did. And we see the harm through Tamara's eyes, not her father's.

    She then commands him to kill himself by eating all the glass beer bottles in the fridge. This leads to probably the only genuinely creative kill in the movie, with a definite visceral reaction when the result is shown after his body is discovered.

    So yeah, this one scene, actually not the worst!

    #FemRevenge #TamaraMovie

  18. CW: CW: SA & Homophobia - Fem Revenge: Tamara - Review (6/?)

    It's also worth reflecting on the inciting incident. While the SA in "I Spit On Your Grave" is explicit and long, it is depicted as violent and puts a lie to any idea that "she was asking for it." The perpetrators clearly did an act of violence and there is nothing minimizing what they did (other than maybe the character who was bullied into participating).

    In "Tamara," she is killed by accident during a fight after the "prank" the bullies pulled on her. Additionally, the fight started because she charged at Chloe, who didn't know about the prank until it happened and tried to stop it, implying Tamara acted wrongly and the fight was partially her fault. And no one person killed her, they all were caught up in the scuffle or prank, one way or another, and the leader of the bullies that demands they cover up her murder didn't do the final act. This minimizes and excuses the violence.

    While what they did is shown as wrong, it is more like a mistake than an act of violence.

    This then makes the violence done to them by Tamara to play more like "women are dangerous psychos" than like a woman who was wrong taking accountability and power into her own hands. At the end of the movie even, Tamara says sadly, "I've become just like them," suggesting a moral equivalency. Jennifer's revenge, on the other hand, is never explicitly or directly equated like that.

    And Jennifer doesn't sexually assault her perpetrators, whereas Tamara does. The jock and the party dude are both seduced by the magic of Tamara's touch, and then she forces them by the spell to have sex with each other. That's right, the punishment Tamara does is to make two men gay. And what is emphasized as the punishment and shameful is the being gay, by the reactions of other characters, rather than the SA taking place.

    So yeah...Tamara, girl, you on the wrong side of this overton window. 😬

    #FemRevenge #TamaraMovie

  19. CW: CW: SA & Homophobia - Fem Revenge: Tamara - Review (6/?)

    It's also worth reflecting on the inciting incident. While the SA in "I Spit On Your Grave" is explicit and long, it is depicted as violent and puts a lie to any idea that "she was asking for it." The perpetrators clearly did an act of violence and there is nothing minimizing what they did (other than maybe the character who was bullied into participating).

    In "Tamara," she is killed by accident during a fight after the "prank" the bullies pulled on her. Additionally, the fight started because she charged at Chloe, who didn't know about the prank until it happened and tried to stop it, implying Tamara acted wrongly and the fight was partially her fault. And no one person killed her, they all were caught up in the scuffle or prank, one way or another, and the leader of the bullies that demands they cover up her murder didn't do the final act. This minimizes and excuses the violence.

    While what they did is shown as wrong, it is more like a mistake than an act of violence.

    This then makes the violence done to them by Tamara to play more like "women are dangerous psychos" than like a woman who was wrong taking accountability and power into her own hands. At the end of the movie even, Tamara says sadly, "I've become just like them," suggesting a moral equivalency. Jennifer's revenge, on the other hand, is never explicitly or directly equated like that.

    And Jennifer doesn't sexually assault her perpetrators, whereas Tamara does. The jock and the party dude are both seduced by the magic of Tamara's touch, and then she forces them by the spell to have sex with each other. That's right, the punishment Tamara does is to make two men gay. And what is emphasized as the punishment and shameful is the being gay, by the reactions of other characters, rather than the SA taking place.

    So yeah...Tamara, girl, you on the wrong side of this overton window. 😬

  20. CW: CW: SA & Homophobia - Fem Revenge: Tamara - Review (6/?)

    It's also worth reflecting on the inciting incident. While the SA in "I Spit On Your Grave" is explicit and long, it is depicted as violent and puts a lie to any idea that "she was asking for it." The perpetrators clearly did an act of violence and there is nothing minimizing what they did (other than maybe the character who was bullied into participating).

    In "Tamara," she is killed by accident during a fight after the "prank" the bullies pulled on her. Additionally, the fight started because she charged at Chloe, who didn't know about the prank until it happened and tried to stop it, implying Tamara acted wrongly and the fight was partially her fault. And no one person killed her, they all were caught up in the scuffle or prank, one way or another, and the leader of the bullies that demands they cover up her murder didn't do the final act. This minimizes and excuses the violence.

    While what they did is shown as wrong, it is more like a mistake than an act of violence.

    This then makes the violence done to them by Tamara to play more like "women are dangerous psychos" than like a woman who was wrong taking accountability and power into her own hands. At the end of the movie even, Tamara says sadly, "I've become just like them," suggesting a moral equivalency. Jennifer's revenge, on the other hand, is never explicitly or directly equated like that.

    And Jennifer doesn't sexually assault her perpetrators, whereas Tamara does. The jock and the party dude are both seduced by the magic of Tamara's touch, and then she forces them by the spell to have sex with each other. That's right, the punishment Tamara does is to make two men gay. And what is emphasized as the punishment and shameful is the being gay, by the reactions of other characters, rather than the SA taking place.

    So yeah...Tamara, girl, you on the wrong side of this overton window. 😬

    #FemRevenge #TamaraMovie

  21. CW: Fem Revenge: Tamara - Review (5/?)

    Additionally, the way her crush on him is handled, it often feels like they are aiming more for an erotic thriller like "Fatal Attraction" than a story about an adult SAing his student who is a child.

    This is reinforced by the teacher's wife. She often speaks about Tamara more like a rival for her man than as a child and one of the students she works a counselor serving. The teacher's wife talk about how she is hotter than Tamara, how he loves her more than Tamara, and how he is loyal to her...not, "um, hey, don't sexually assault that child, dear."

    Just...icks me to the gills.

    Also, you might wonder why I just call her "Teacher's wife" and that's because basically that's what the movie does. She's almost always referred to as just "Mrs." and the teacher's last name. She is also deeply deeply underdeveloped and we know nothing more than she is the teacher's wife, has the job of school counselor, and wants to have a kid....she' basically just the role "teacher's wife."

    I think this is another useful contrast with "I Spit On Your Grave." Roger Ebert complained that those characters were underdeveloped, but there are things that are shown to you about many of their personalities, motivations, backgrounds, and more. But these characters....Tamara is the only one really given much development in the first act, until she becomes two-dimensional femme fatale slasher in the second and third act.

    Otherwise, what do we know about the teacher? Um...he teaches English and is married. The teacher's wife? She is married to the teacher. Chloe, the ostensible final girl? She's basically just the film's superego saying "don't do that" and "do the right thing" but I literally can't tell you a single thing about her other than that really. The jock is a jock. Party dude is party dude. Nerdy AV guy is nerdy AV guy. That's it.

    #FemRevenge #TamaraMovie

  22. CW: Fem Revenge: Tamara - Review (5/?)

    Additionally, the way her crush on him is handled, it often feels like they are aiming more for an erotic thriller like "Fatal Attraction" than a story about an adult SAing his student who is a child.

    This is reinforced by the teacher's wife. She often speaks about Tamara more like a rival for her man than as a child and one of the students she works a counselor serving. The teacher's wife talk about how she is hotter than Tamara, how he loves her more than Tamara, and how he is loyal to her...not, "um, hey, don't sexually assault that child, dear."

    Just...icks me to the gills.

    Also, you might wonder why I just call her "Teacher's wife" and that's because basically that's what the movie does. She's almost always referred to as just "Mrs." and the teacher's last name. She is also deeply deeply underdeveloped and we know nothing more than she is the teacher's wife, has the job of school counselor, and wants to have a kid....she' basically just the role "teacher's wife."

    I think this is another useful contrast with "I Spit On Your Grave." Roger Ebert complained that those characters were underdeveloped, but there are things that are shown to you about many of their personalities, motivations, backgrounds, and more. But these characters....Tamara is the only one really given much development in the first act, until she becomes two-dimensional femme fatale slasher in the second and third act.

    Otherwise, what do we know about the teacher? Um...he teaches English and is married. The teacher's wife? She is married to the teacher. Chloe, the ostensible final girl? She's basically just the film's superego saying "don't do that" and "do the right thing" but I literally can't tell you a single thing about her other than that really. The jock is a jock. Party dude is party dude. Nerdy AV guy is nerdy AV guy. That's it.

  23. CW: Fem Revenge: Tamara - Review (5/?)

    Additionally, the way her crush on him is handled, it often feels like they are aiming more for an erotic thriller like "Fatal Attraction" than a story about an adult SAing his student who is a child.

    This is reinforced by the teacher's wife. She often speaks about Tamara more like a rival for her man than as a child and one of the students she works a counselor serving. The teacher's wife talk about how she is hotter than Tamara, how he loves her more than Tamara, and how he is loyal to her...not, "um, hey, don't sexually assault that child, dear."

    Just...icks me to the gills.

    Also, you might wonder why I just call her "Teacher's wife" and that's because basically that's what the movie does. She's almost always referred to as just "Mrs." and the teacher's last name. She is also deeply deeply underdeveloped and we know nothing more than she is the teacher's wife, has the job of school counselor, and wants to have a kid....she' basically just the role "teacher's wife."

    I think this is another useful contrast with "I Spit On Your Grave." Roger Ebert complained that those characters were underdeveloped, but there are things that are shown to you about many of their personalities, motivations, backgrounds, and more. But these characters....Tamara is the only one really given much development in the first act, until she becomes two-dimensional femme fatale slasher in the second and third act.

    Otherwise, what do we know about the teacher? Um...he teaches English and is married. The teacher's wife? She is married to the teacher. Chloe, the ostensible final girl? She's basically just the film's superego saying "don't do that" and "do the right thing" but I literally can't tell you a single thing about her other than that really. The jock is a jock. Party dude is party dude. Nerdy AV guy is nerdy AV guy. That's it.

    #FemRevenge #TamaraMovie

  24. CW: Fem Revenge: Tamara - Review (4/?)

    Also, the camera frequently treats Tamara's body with the cishet male gaze, looking at her body parts almost more than her as a person. This is, at times, done in an ambiguous way that feels like trying to have your cake and eat it too.

    For example, when Tamara seduces different boys during her revenge, there is a way in which I can, as a girl, see a power fantasy of feeling desirable and in control. But at the same time, the shots are constructed such that a cishet man could also just imagine themselves being the men kissing a hot girl. The result is a mess and tends to err on the side of the male gaze. This is the wrong way to do that ambiguity, in my opinion.

    Additionally, the way that Tamara's crush on her teacher is treated hits all the wrong notes for me. Her teacher, a man who looks like he's in his 30s, does reject her advances multiple times, but his reason for doing so is "I'm a happily married man." The grown-ass man says no because of monogamy, not because having sex with a child is sexual assault and pedophilia. Um...dude...what would you do if you weren't happily married? Ick ick ick!

    #FemRevenge #TamaraMovie

  25. CW: Fem Revenge: Tamara - Review (4/?)

    Also, the camera frequently treats Tamara's body with the cishet male gaze, looking at her body parts almost more than her as a person. This is, at times, done in an ambiguous way that feels like trying to have your cake and eat it too.

    For example, when Tamara seduces different boys during her revenge, there is a way in which I can, as a girl, see a power fantasy of feeling desirable and in control. But at the same time, the shots are constructed such that a cishet man could also just imagine themselves being the men kissing a hot girl. The result is a mess and tends to err on the side of the male gaze. This is the wrong way to do that ambiguity, in my opinion.

    Additionally, the way that Tamara's crush on her teacher is treated hits all the wrong notes for me. Her teacher, a man who looks like he's in his 30s, does reject her advances multiple times, but his reason for doing so is "I'm a happily married man." The grown-ass man says no because of monogamy, not because having sex with a child is sexual assault and pedophilia. Um...dude...what would you do if you weren't happily married? Ick ick ick!

  26. CW: Fem Revenge: Tamara - Review (4/?)

    Also, the camera frequently treats Tamara's body with the cishet male gaze, looking at her body parts almost more than her as a person. This is, at times, done in an ambiguous way that feels like trying to have your cake and eat it too.

    For example, when Tamara seduces different boys during her revenge, there is a way in which I can, as a girl, see a power fantasy of feeling desirable and in control. But at the same time, the shots are constructed such that a cishet man could also just imagine themselves being the men kissing a hot girl. The result is a mess and tends to err on the side of the male gaze. This is the wrong way to do that ambiguity, in my opinion.

    Additionally, the way that Tamara's crush on her teacher is treated hits all the wrong notes for me. Her teacher, a man who looks like he's in his 30s, does reject her advances multiple times, but his reason for doing so is "I'm a happily married man." The grown-ass man says no because of monogamy, not because having sex with a child is sexual assault and pedophilia. Um...dude...what would you do if you weren't happily married? Ick ick ick!

    #FemRevenge #TamaraMovie

  27. CW: Fem Revenge: Tamara - Review (3/?)

    So Tamara highlights how so many of the #FemRevenge tropes can go wrong or be done poorly, in my opinion.

    First, the gaze of the movie is A MESS. In the first act, it almost feels right. The camera often follows Tamara's eyeline, meaning we are looking up at the Jock bullies from her perspective or looking from where she's standing in a room. When the camera is turned on her in the first act, it's often to emphasize that she is vulnerable and doesn't completely take on the standpoint of her bullies.

    Once Tamara comes back to life, it basically plays like Act 3 in a slasher - the gaze is always from the perspective of the perpetrators of her humiliation and murder, or from the pseudo-nuclear family of the teacher and his wife who are trying to have a child together. We never really see events from Tamara's perspective again fully.

    The closest we get is that when Tamara touches her victims, she can show them the violence she experienced and learn their secrets. So in that moment, the perpetrators she the harm they did to her, but the audience doesn't really.

    This shift in gaze basically forces us to identify with the perpetrators as new victims and survivors.

    Contrast this with "I Spit On Your Grave," which mostly sits with the survivor's perspective and we are invited to identify with her as we mostly follow her and her viewpoint during the revenge spree.

    #TamaraMovie

  28. CW: Fem Revenge: Tamara - Review (3/?)

    So Tamara highlights how so many of the tropes can go wrong or be done poorly, in my opinion.

    First, the gaze of the movie is A MESS. In the first act, it almost feels right. The camera often follows Tamara's eyeline, meaning we are looking up at the Jock bullies from her perspective or looking from where she's standing in a room. When the camera is turned on her in the first act, it's often to emphasize that she is vulnerable and doesn't completely take on the standpoint of her bullies.

    Once Tamara comes back to life, it basically plays like Act 3 in a slasher - the gaze is always from the perspective of the perpetrators of her humiliation and murder, or from the pseudo-nuclear family of the teacher and his wife who are trying to have a child together. We never really see events from Tamara's perspective again fully.

    The closest we get is that when Tamara touches her victims, she can show them the violence she experienced and learn their secrets. So in that moment, the perpetrators she the harm they did to her, but the audience doesn't really.

    This shift in gaze basically forces us to identify with the perpetrators as new victims and survivors.

    Contrast this with "I Spit On Your Grave," which mostly sits with the survivor's perspective and we are invited to identify with her as we mostly follow her and her viewpoint during the revenge spree.

  29. CW: Fem Revenge: Tamara - Review (3/?)

    So Tamara highlights how so many of the #FemRevenge tropes can go wrong or be done poorly, in my opinion.

    First, the gaze of the movie is A MESS. In the first act, it almost feels right. The camera often follows Tamara's eyeline, meaning we are looking up at the Jock bullies from her perspective or looking from where she's standing in a room. When the camera is turned on her in the first act, it's often to emphasize that she is vulnerable and doesn't completely take on the standpoint of her bullies.

    Once Tamara comes back to life, it basically plays like Act 3 in a slasher - the gaze is always from the perspective of the perpetrators of her humiliation and murder, or from the pseudo-nuclear family of the teacher and his wife who are trying to have a child together. We never really see events from Tamara's perspective again fully.

    The closest we get is that when Tamara touches her victims, she can show them the violence she experienced and learn their secrets. So in that moment, the perpetrators she the harm they did to her, but the audience doesn't really.

    This shift in gaze basically forces us to identify with the perpetrators as new victims and survivors.

    Contrast this with "I Spit On Your Grave," which mostly sits with the survivor's perspective and we are invited to identify with her as we mostly follow her and her viewpoint during the revenge spree.

    #TamaraMovie

  30. CW: Fem Revenge: Tamara - Review (2/?)

    There is at least one solid #GoodForHer moment: Tamara gets a magic resurrection makeover!

    I mean, girl just got bully-murdered and buried in an unmarked grave, and she comes back looking like she just went on a shopping spree, saw a hairstylist, and did some makeup tutorials. Good for you, Tamara!

    ...and that's probably the last thing I appreciated about it.

    #FemRevenge #TamaraMovie

  31. CW: Fem Revenge: Tamara - Review (2/?)

    There is at least one solid moment: Tamara gets a magic resurrection makeover!

    I mean, girl just got bully-murdered and buried in an unmarked grave, and she comes back looking like she just went on a shopping spree, saw a hairstylist, and did some makeup tutorials. Good for you, Tamara!

    ...and that's probably the last thing I appreciated about it.

  32. CW: Fem Revenge: Tamara - Review (2/?)

    There is at least one solid #GoodForHer moment: Tamara gets a magic resurrection makeover!

    I mean, girl just got bully-murdered and buried in an unmarked grave, and she comes back looking like she just went on a shopping spree, saw a hairstylist, and did some makeup tutorials. Good for you, Tamara!

    ...and that's probably the last thing I appreciated about it.

    #FemRevenge #TamaraMovie

  33. CW: Fem Revenge: Tamara - Review (1/?)

    Ooof, okay, "Tamara" (2005) is basically the perfect example as a contrast to the thin line that I think "I Spit On Your Grave" stays on the "done well" side of for #FemRevengeFlicks .

    Before I dive into what goes wrong here, for me, I'm going to do a quick plot description.

    Tamara is a nerdy girl in high school who gets bullied by some popular kids and has a crush on one of her teachers. The bullies decide to punish her by convincing her that the teacher wants to be with her and lure her to a hotel room, where they record video of her getting undressed before revealing the "prank." A fight ensues and she dies accidentally during the struggle. Rather than go to the authorities, the bullies decide to bury her body in the woods and cover it up.

    Well, little did they know, she practiced real witchcraft and the "love" spell she cast to bind her and her teacher worked. She comes back to life and shows up at school on Monday, much to their shock. What follows basically plays like a slasher movie, with her taking off the bullies one by one in revenge.

    It finally ends when the teacher finds out that the spell will keep her alive as long as he is alive and they are not together. To protect his wife, he tricks Tamara and jumps off a building with her, killing them both and ending the spell.

    TLDR: Basically, "The Craft" + "I Know What you Did Last Summer" + "Fatal Attraction" = "Tamara"

    #FemRevenge #TamaraMovie

  34. CW: Fem Revenge: Tamara - Review (1/?)

    Ooof, okay, "Tamara" (2005) is basically the perfect example as a contrast to the thin line that I think "I Spit On Your Grave" stays on the "done well" side of for .

    Before I dive into what goes wrong here, for me, I'm going to do a quick plot description.

    Tamara is a nerdy girl in high school who gets bullied by some popular kids and has a crush on one of her teachers. The bullies decide to punish her by convincing her that the teacher wants to be with her and lure her to a hotel room, where they record video of her getting undressed before revealing the "prank." A fight ensues and she dies accidentally during the struggle. Rather than go to the authorities, the bullies decide to bury her body in the woods and cover it up.

    Well, little did they know, she practiced real witchcraft and the "love" spell she cast to bind her and her teacher worked. She comes back to life and shows up at school on Monday, much to their shock. What follows basically plays like a slasher movie, with her taking off the bullies one by one in revenge.

    It finally ends when the teacher finds out that the spell will keep her alive as long as he is alive and they are not together. To protect his wife, he tricks Tamara and jumps off a building with her, killing them both and ending the spell.

    TLDR: Basically, "The Craft" + "I Know What you Did Last Summer" + "Fatal Attraction" = "Tamara"

  35. CW: Fem Revenge: Tamara - Review (1/?)

    Ooof, okay, "Tamara" (2005) is basically the perfect example as a contrast to the thin line that I think "I Spit On Your Grave" stays on the "done well" side of for #FemRevengeFlicks .

    Before I dive into what goes wrong here, for me, I'm going to do a quick plot description.

    Tamara is a nerdy girl in high school who gets bullied by some popular kids and has a crush on one of her teachers. The bullies decide to punish her by convincing her that the teacher wants to be with her and lure her to a hotel room, where they record video of her getting undressed before revealing the "prank." A fight ensues and she dies accidentally during the struggle. Rather than go to the authorities, the bullies decide to bury her body in the woods and cover it up.

    Well, little did they know, she practiced real witchcraft and the "love" spell she cast to bind her and her teacher worked. She comes back to life and shows up at school on Monday, much to their shock. What follows basically plays like a slasher movie, with her taking off the bullies one by one in revenge.

    It finally ends when the teacher finds out that the spell will keep her alive as long as he is alive and they are not together. To protect his wife, he tricks Tamara and jumps off a building with her, killing them both and ending the spell.

    TLDR: Basically, "The Craft" + "I Know What you Did Last Summer" + "Fatal Attraction" = "Tamara"

    #FemRevenge #TamaraMovie

  36. CW: Fem Revenge: Tamara (2/?)

    Oh, thank goodness, they turned that around and it reads more like a teenage girl’s fantasy about her teacher. When she wakes up, she gets bullied and he is being a good supportive teacher, then she tries to kiss him and he dodges back and is clearly rejecting that. Thank goodness we are not portraying child SA as something that is rationalized or excused. 😮‍💨

    Honestly, already looking better than several TV shows and movies contemporary to it.

    #TamaraMovie #FemRevenge

  37. CW: Fem Revenge: Tamara (2/?)

    Oh, thank goodness, they turned that around and it reads more like a teenage girl’s fantasy about her teacher. When she wakes up, she gets bullied and he is being a good supportive teacher, then she tries to kiss him and he dodges back and is clearly rejecting that. Thank goodness we are not portraying child SA as something that is rationalized or excused. 😮‍💨

    Honestly, already looking better than several TV shows and movies contemporary to it.

  38. CW: Fem Revenge: Tamara (2/?)

    Oh, thank goodness, they turned that around and it reads more like a teenage girl’s fantasy about her teacher. When she wakes up, she gets bullied and he is being a good supportive teacher, then she tries to kiss him and he dodges back and is clearly rejecting that. Thank goodness we are not portraying child SA as something that is rationalized or excused. 😮‍💨

    Honestly, already looking better than several TV shows and movies contemporary to it.

    #TamaraMovie #FemRevenge

  39. CW: Fem Revenge: Tamara (2/?)

    Second thought: first scene after credits is a nightmare Tamara is having where she starts making out with her teacher in a classroom and then is caught by her classmates and made fun of.

    And it’s already stumbling onto the wrong side of that thin line at the crux of any #FemRevenge movie that involves SA: the camera looks at Tamara’s body with a stereotypical cishet male gaze and she is portrayed as wanting and enjoying the statutory rape by her teacher - ick. It only turns into a nightmare when her classmates laugh at her and her teacher says he doesn’t love her….oof, well, let’s see if this gets any better? 😬

    #TamaraMovie

  40. CW: Fem Revenge: Tamara (2/?)

    Second thought: first scene after credits is a nightmare Tamara is having where she starts making out with her teacher in a classroom and then is caught by her classmates and made fun of.

    And it’s already stumbling onto the wrong side of that thin line at the crux of any movie that involves SA: the camera looks at Tamara’s body with a stereotypical cishet male gaze and she is portrayed as wanting and enjoying the statutory rape by her teacher - ick. It only turns into a nightmare when her classmates laugh at her and her teacher says he doesn’t love her….oof, well, let’s see if this gets any better? 😬

  41. CW: Fem Revenge: Tamara (2/?)

    Second thought: first scene after credits is a nightmare Tamara is having where she starts making out with her teacher in a classroom and then is caught by her classmates and made fun of.

    And it’s already stumbling onto the wrong side of that thin line at the crux of any #FemRevenge movie that involves SA: the camera looks at Tamara’s body with a stereotypical cishet male gaze and she is portrayed as wanting and enjoying the statutory rape by her teacher - ick. It only turns into a nightmare when her classmates laugh at her and her teacher says he doesn’t love her….oof, well, let’s see if this gets any better? 😬

    #TamaraMovie

  42. CW: Fem Revenge: Tamara (1/?)

    Next up in my #FemRevengeFlick hyperfocus marathon: Tamara (2005).

    Okay, I have never heard of this movie but the description says a girl who is a witch comes back from the dead to take vengeance on those that wronged her - and it looks low budget and like it probably is going to be a mess!

    Surprisingly, it is a Lionsgate production…did not see that coming. Maybe slightly bigger budget than expected. 😅

    Anyway, first thought on the credits: Buffy Font! What is this, the Pink Opaque?!

    #FemRevenge #TamaraMovie

  43. CW: Fem Revenge: Tamara (1/?)

    Next up in my hyperfocus marathon: Tamara (2005).

    Okay, I have never heard of this movie but the description says a girl who is a witch comes back from the dead to take vengeance on those that wronged her - and it looks low budget and like it probably is going to be a mess!

    Surprisingly, it is a Lionsgate production…did not see that coming. Maybe slightly bigger budget than expected. 😅

    Anyway, first thought on the credits: Buffy Font! What is this, the Pink Opaque?!

  44. CW: Fem Revenge: Tamara (1/?)

    Next up in my #FemRevengeFlick hyperfocus marathon: Tamara (2005).

    Okay, I have never heard of this movie but the description says a girl who is a witch comes back from the dead to take vengeance on those that wronged her - and it looks low budget and like it probably is going to be a mess!

    Surprisingly, it is a Lionsgate production…did not see that coming. Maybe slightly bigger budget than expected. 😅

    Anyway, first thought on the credits: Buffy Font! What is this, the Pink Opaque?!

    #FemRevenge #TamaraMovie

  45. A common feature of #FemRevenge that’s worth mapping is the structure of the plot and character development.

    In early horror and thriller cinema through the period of the Hayes’ Code, the basic structure of the story was: 1) protagonist starts in the familiar, safe, and ordinary place and life often embodying the status quo of a society; 2) they venture out to some unfamiliar, foreign, and dangerous place, and the monstrosity is often violating the norms of the status quo; 3) the monster is vanquished and the protagonists return to the familiar and safe as the status quo is restored.

    Think of the simpler versions of the Dracula story: usually the protagonist starts in familiar and safe England, ventures out to that foreign and dangerous Transylvania where the queer-coded and sinful monstrosity resides, and in the end, the monstrosity is defeated as safety and civilization are restored to the survivors back in England.

    This changed with new horror cinema, like Night of the Living Dead and Rosemary’s Baby in the 60s and 70s. In these stories, our protagonists often start in the familiar and safe, but the danger itself resides in the familiar and safe, and invades their lives. And in the end, frequently, safety and the status quo is not restored, but instead, if anyone does survive, they and their world are forever changed.

    In fem revenge, we often see a pattern that mixes both the old and new horror plot beats. A woman is living her life and has a sense of security, she goes somewhere unfamiliar, the danger is found there, but the source will often represent the status quo and be familiar to the audience to some degree. And finally, the woman will overcome the danger to restore her sense of safety, though she has likely been permanently changed by the experience and the status quo is not restored.

  46. I want to come back around to something I didn’t clarify earlier: what am I talking about when I talk about “fem revenge” as a genre?

    This isn’t how many of these movies are often described, and marks out a different but heavily overlapping territory with other genres. The core of this is simple: a person is wronged and carries out violent revenge upon the perpetrators. Importantly, I am only talking about movies where the protagonist is either a woman, femme, transfem, or otherwise fem-adjacent person. Additionally, the wrong done can be of almost any kind, but usually involves some form of violence.

    For this reason, it heavily overlaps with the rape-revenge genre, though there can be rape-revenge movies that are not fem revenge, if the survivor who takes vengeance is a man or masc person. Additionally, fem revenge can include revenging other wrongs than SA, such as murder or false imprisonment. All of this also means most of these will fall under horror or thriller conventions and tropes, but it is not a necessary criteria, as there are action movies that fit this too.

    The key to all this is that people who are seen as belonging to a vulnerable gender are harmed and then claim their own power to take it into their own hands to see accountability dealt out to their perpetrators through violent consequences. These are the kinds of movies I am talking about with #FemRevenge

  47. Through out Ebert's review of the movie, he often emphasizes his sense of disgust, by talking about how the audience that enjoys the film are being invited to be "vicarious rapists." He talks a lot about how men in the audience reacted. And he fails to process and register the development of Jennifer.

    This was not my experience of watching the film at all. Okay, to give Ebert some grace, if I first saw the film in an audience where I heard men celebrating the rape, my experience might be so soured that I couldn't see beyond it either. But the thing is, I *identified* with Jennifer and felt like I knew her within the first 20 minutes of the film. I never once felt like I was being asked to identify with the rapists, and always felt like I was watching through the survivor's eyes.

    And when I look at random reviews of the film that I find on reddit and elsewhere, I see many people with masculine-coded usernames talking about the movie being awful and disgusting....is it just me or might their disgust come from their own discomfort at identifying too closely with the men who commit sexual assault and the experience of being forced to confront that?

    I'm not saying these men all are secretly desiring to be rapists, but rather, the men that commit these acts are depicted as normal, straight, white men. One is a breadwinner and family man, with wife and children. In another film, maybe they would be protagonists. But they are not in this film, they are the monsters. And their monstrosity is merely an extension of a toxic masculinity that soooo many men either already embody or at least tolerate in their friends and acquaintances. This movie forces you to look on the violence these behaviors, beliefs, and complicity are capable of enabling.

    And I think this an important compass to the whole genre of #FemRevenge (and Rape-Revenge films): who does the movie ask us to identify with, who do we actually identify with a audience members, and what is it saying to the two potential audiences, those that identify with the survivor, and those that have the capacity to identify with the perpetrators.

    #FemRevengeFlick #ISpitOnYourGrave

  48. Through out Ebert's review of the movie, he often emphasizes his sense of disgust, by talking about how the audience that enjoys the film are being invited to be "vicarious rapists." He talks a lot about how men in the audience reacted. And he fails to process and register the development of Jennifer.

    This was not my experience of watching the film at all. Okay, to give Ebert some grace, if I first saw the film in an audience where I heard men celebrating the rape, my experience might be so soured that I couldn't see beyond it either. But the thing is, I *identified* with Jennifer and felt like I knew her within the first 20 minutes of the film. I never once felt like I was being asked to identify with the rapists, and always felt like I was watching through the survivor's eyes.

    And when I look at random reviews of the film that I find on reddit and elsewhere, I see many people with masculine-coded usernames talking about the movie being awful and disgusting....is it just me or might their disgust come from their own discomfort at identifying too closely with the men who commit sexual assault and the experience of being forced to confront that?

    I'm not saying these men all are secretly desiring to be rapists, but rather, the men that commit these acts are depicted as normal, straight, white men. One is a breadwinner and family man, with wife and children. In another film, maybe they would be protagonists. But they are not in this film, they are the monsters. And their monstrosity is merely an extension of a toxic masculinity that soooo many men either already embody or at least tolerate in their friends and acquaintances. This movie forces you to look on the violence these behaviors, beliefs, and complicity are capable of enabling.

    And I think this an important compass to the whole genre of #FemRevenge (and Rape-Revenge films): who does the movie ask us to identify with, who do we actually identify with a audience members, and what is it saying to the two potential audiences, those that identify with the survivor, and those that have the capacity to identify with the perpetrators.

    #FemRevengeFlick #ISpitOnYourGrave

  49. Through out Ebert's review of the movie, he often emphasizes his sense of disgust, by talking about how the audience that enjoys the film are being invited to be "vicarious rapists." He talks a lot about how men in the audience reacted. And he fails to process and register the development of Jennifer.

    This was not my experience of watching the film at all. Okay, to give Ebert some grace, if I first saw the film in an audience where I heard men celebrating the rape, my experience might be so soured that I couldn't see beyond it either. But the thing is, I *identified* with Jennifer and felt like I knew her within the first 20 minutes of the film. I never once felt like I was being asked to identify with the rapists, and always felt like I was watching through the survivor's eyes.

    And when I look at random reviews of the film that I find on reddit and elsewhere, I see many people with masculine-coded usernames talking about the movie being awful and disgusting....is it just me or might their disgust come from their own discomfort at identifying too closely with the men who commit sexual assault and the experience of being forced to confront that?

    I'm not saying these men all are secretly desiring to be rapists, but rather, the men that commit these acts are depicted as normal, straight, white men. One is a breadwinner and family man, with wife and children. In another film, maybe they would be protagonists. But they are not in this film, they are the monsters. And their monstrosity is merely an extension of a toxic masculinity that soooo many men either already embody or at least tolerate in their friends and acquaintances. This movie forces you to look on the violence these behaviors, beliefs, and complicity are capable of enabling.

    And I think this an important compass to the whole genre of (and Rape-Revenge films): who does the movie ask us to identify with, who do we actually identify with a audience members, and what is it saying to the two potential audiences, those that identify with the survivor, and those that have the capacity to identify with the perpetrators.

  50. Through out Ebert's review of the movie, he often emphasizes his sense of disgust, by talking about how the audience that enjoys the film are being invited to be "vicarious rapists." He talks a lot about how men in the audience reacted. And he fails to process and register the development of Jennifer.

    This was not my experience of watching the film at all. Okay, to give Ebert some grace, if I first saw the film in an audience where I heard men celebrating the rape, my experience might be so soured that I couldn't see beyond it either. But the thing is, I *identified* with Jennifer and felt like I knew her within the first 20 minutes of the film. I never once felt like I was being asked to identify with the rapists, and always felt like I was watching through the survivor's eyes.

    And when I look at random reviews of the film that I find on reddit and elsewhere, I see many people with masculine-coded usernames talking about the movie being awful and disgusting....is it just me or might their disgust come from their own discomfort at identifying too closely with the men who commit sexual assault and the experience of being forced to confront that?

    I'm not saying these men all are secretly desiring to be rapists, but rather, the men that commit these acts are depicted as normal, straight, white men. One is a breadwinner and family man, with wife and children. In another film, maybe they would be protagonists. But they are not in this film, they are the monsters. And their monstrosity is merely an extension of a toxic masculinity that soooo many men either already embody or at least tolerate in their friends and acquaintances. This movie forces you to look on the violence these behaviors, beliefs, and complicity are capable of enabling.

    And I think this an important compass to the whole genre of #FemRevenge (and Rape-Revenge films): who does the movie ask us to identify with, who do we actually identify with a audience members, and what is it saying to the two potential audiences, those that identify with the survivor, and those that have the capacity to identify with the perpetrators.

    #FemRevengeFlick #ISpitOnYourGrave