#applebrowserban — Public Fediverse posts

@rgadellaa Normally, users would just be able to open a more stable/performant browser, such as Chrome or Firefox (which don't crash on even low-end Androids), but with the #AppleBrowserBan still in place (even in the EU, where it's not legal), they instead just can't read the article.

Note: this is on Android. On desktop I don't really use PWAs, and FF doesn't support them. On iOS all PWAs and browsers run on Safari (#AppleBrowserBan), which means you get an even worse experience than this. Chromium's PWA support may be many years ahead of FF and WebKit, but FF at least doesn't breaks things on purpose like Apple does.

See for example:
https://open-web-advocacy.org/blog/apple-backs-off-killing-web-apps/
https://webventures.rejh.nl/blog/2024/history-of-safari-show-stoppers/
https://www.construct.net/en/blogs/ashleys-blog-2/safari-releases-development-1616

Now 🔥AppleInsider covers the #AppleBrowserBan

"Apple has created a program that lets third-party browser engines come to iOS, yet keeps security and privacy in mind. "And for whatever reason, they've chosen not to do so." - Apple

https://appleinsider.com/articles/25/07/14/apple-still-effectively-blocks-rival-browser-engines-on-ios-despite-eu-order

Firefox released four patches for v136 in quick succession (March 11th, 18th, 25th, and 27th), which included at least one security fix.

Meanwhile, iOS Safari (and - thanks to the #AppleBrowserBan - every browser on iOS) requires full OS updates to fix security issues, which often take weeks (if not a month or more) to ship to users.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/releases/

Appleのブラウザエンジンの規制は本当に良くない #AppleBrowserBan

CMA Provisional Report on mobile browsers.

I read the 600 page provisional report from the UK competition regulator's two year market investigation into mobile browsers and the #AppleBrowserBan so you don't have to: https://brucelawson.co.uk/2024/cma-provisional-report-mobile-browsers/

Adobe's `usePreventScroll()` hook takes ~8 lines of code to prevent scroll on every browser - except for iOS Safari - that one takes 163 lines, many of which are comments trying to explain what the f*ck is happening.

https://webventures.rejh.nl/blog/2024/history-of-safari-show-stoppers/#anchor--2016-body-with-overflow-hidden-css-is-scrollable-on-ios

#AppleBrowserBan

But can it run a 3rd-party browser?

https://arstechnica.com/apple/2024/10/first-ipad-mini-update-since-2021-gets-a-faster-chip-and-apple-intelligence/

#AppleBrowserBan

Also, Nilay when he learns that web apps can do bluetooth:

"It just feels like, Tim cook will be standing there, going like You shall not pass!".

Nilay is exactly 100% right about that.

Web Bluetooth works on pretty much every OS on every platform (as long as it can run a browser that supports it). In other words: This does not work on iOS.

Thanks, Tim Cook. #AppleBrowserBan

Snippet: https://pca.st/zc69u60j?t=5456,5470

@bramus @owa Apple's starvation of the Safari/WebKit team hasn't just meant that important features like scroll-linked animations remain AWOL for many years, but that the show-stopping bugs make "available" features a perpetual mine field:

https://webventures.rejh.nl/blog/2024/history-of-safari-show-stoppers/

This is a rolling catastrophe because of the #AppleBrowserBan

If FruitCo were *explicitly* trying to make the web irrelevant, what would it do differently? I struggle to come up with a better strategy.

A deep and important piece by @rgadellaa that documents the gobsmacking history of showstopping bugs on iOS Safari:

https://webventures.rejh.nl/blog/2024/history-of-safari-show-stoppers/

Normally, a browser sucking would be a problem just for that vendor, who would lose share. But because of the #applebrowserban, Apple has nothing to fear. Instead, Apple continually breaks essential functionality it would *never* break for native developers.

The result? A web that can't compete, even when Apple *finally* gets around to adding features.

Breaking 🚨: UK regulator considering significant remedies inc #AppleBrowserBan, Choice Screens, Defaults, Hotseat, and In-App Browsers!

Sorry for the 🐦 link, but this thread asks some excellent questions.

https://x.com/xroissance/status/1818954921691037998

#AppleBrowserBan

Ugh, it didn't take long for Gruber to use the "hidden Chrome extension"-thing to advocate for the iOS Safari browser monopoly, did it?

Funny thing is, he's basically saying "you should not use Chrome" - which implies you have a choice. You can switch to Firefox or Safari.

But what if I don't like something about WebKit (like, how it lags behind other browser engines)?

I have to buy an Android phone??

https://daringfireball.net/linked/2024/07/12/google-chrome-system-monitoring

#AppleBrowserBan

The UK’s Competition and Markets Authority, Browser and Cloud Gaming Market Investigation has just released their progress report and discusses in depth the #AppleBrowserBan.

Read all about it:
https://open-web-advocacy.org/blog/uk-cma-browser-cloud-gaming-progress-report/

[en] Japan: Apple can no longer hinder competition by banning browsers

According to Open Web Advocacy OWA: "Japan’s parliament passed into law a bill to promote fair competition on smartphone operating systems, similar to the EU’s Digital Markets Act and the UK’s Digital Markets, Competition and Consumers Bill."

https://open-web-advocacy.org/blog/japan-ends-the-apple-browser-ban/

#applebrowserban #browser #competition #smartphone #owa #openweb #dsa #dmccb #japan

The iPad should be able to run other browser engines (and not just in the EU).

Seriously, that would unlock a whole lot more (cough competition cough) than just being able to carry it around.

#AppleBrowserBan

https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/15/24177306/apple-foldable-phone-ipados-18

Japan ends the #AppleBrowserBan - Open Web Advocacy https://open-web-advocacy.org/blog/japan-ends-the-apple-browser-ban/

The #AppleBrowserBan has ended in Japan! 🇯🇵🎉🍾

We'd like to say a huge thank-you to the HDMC and the JFTC for helping ensure browsers can compete fairly, and so web apps can contest the gatekeeper's native app ecosystems.

OWA is looking forward to helping contribute towards monitoring compliance and helping provide information for effective enforcement.

Read More:
https://open-web-advocacy.org/blog/japan-ends-the-apple-browser-ban/

New iPads! Faster cpus! They still can't run the full Chrome, Firefox!
#AppleBrowserBan

https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/7/24151030/apple-ipad-let-loose-event-live-blog-news-updates

US DOJ🇺🇸 goes after #AppleBrowserBan! 🎉🎉📢

"Apple can still control the functionality of web apps because Apple requires all web browsers on the iPhone to use WebKit, Apple’s browser engine—the key software components that third-party browsers use to display web content." p62

Happy DMA day to all! A look at where we are, and what comes next. https://brucelawson.co.uk/2024/happy-dma-day-to-all/ #appleBrowserBan

Happy DMA day to all https://brucelawson.co.uk/2024/happy-dma-day-to-all/ A look at where we are, and what comes next. #appleBrowserBan

AAAAAND WE ARE BAAAACK BABY !!!

#AppleBrowserBan #AppleDMA #PWA

Gutun irekia Tim Cookie-i, web aplikazioei sabotajea egitea defendaezina da
https://letter.open-web-advocacy.org/

#SinaduraBilketa #InternetIrekia #Apple #PWA #AppleBrowserBan
@owa

No matter how infuriating the Apple's bad faith about the EU DMA such as their sabotage of Progressive Web Apps, I would like you to take the time to think twice, carve your words, and stay decent before messaging Apple's employees on the subject.

No matter whether their job title is about "developer relationship" or something like that, they don't deserve to be harassed or talked aggressively.
It's _just their job_ and they don't deserve to face the direct consequences of their boss's shitty decisions.

Don't be an asshole. Please.

Especially to groups of people that already face violence just by their online presence, no matter their employer (like women, people of color, disabled and LGBTI+ folks for example)

#Apple #AppleBrowserBan #AppleDMA #DMA

I didn't believe it until I tried in myself, but Apple's removal of PWAs in EU will result in all local data stored in the PWA's storage being deleted (indexedDB, localStorage, etc).

This is because iOS has different storage for installed apps and Safari, and once the installed app is removed, so is its data.

If you are running a PWA where your users' data is stored primarily locally in web storage -- godspeed.

#pwa #apple #appleDMA #dma #applebrowserban

Just when we thought the #AppleBrowserBan was over (in the EU at least), they officially confirmed, in exchange for allowing users to install competing browsers instead of Safari, they are disabling #ProgressiveWebApps 😑

#GoogleCloud is unable to make a proper dropdown, I guess they don’t test their system on browsers other than #chrome

Soon with the #DMA they’ll have even less incentive to do so.

#Apple #Safari #AppleBrowserBan #browserMarketshare

#GoogleCloud is unable to make a proper dropdown, I guess they don’t test their system on browsers other than #chrome

Soon with the #DMA they’ll have even less incentive to do so.

#Apple #Safari #AppleBrowserBan #browserMarketshare

#GoogleCloud is unable to make a proper dropdown, I guess they don’t test their system on browsers other than #chrome

Soon with the #DMA they’ll have even less incentive to do so.

#Apple #Safari #AppleBrowserBan #browserMarketshare

#GoogleCloud is unable to make a proper dropdown, I guess they don’t test their system on browsers other than #chrome

Soon with the #DMA they’ll have even less incentive to do so.

#Apple #Safari #AppleBrowserBan #browserMarketshare

#GoogleCloud is unable to make a proper dropdown, I guess they don’t test their system on browsers other than #chrome

Soon with the #DMA they’ll have even less incentive to do so.

#Apple #Safari #AppleBrowserBan #browserMarketshare

@andy It’s going to be so sad when #AppleBrowserBan goes away as then, like with #IE6, we have to find something else to project our anger at

#OWA Takes on #Apple ’s #Browser #Ban for #PWA #Parity – #TheNewStack

https://thenewstack.io/owa-takes-on-apples-browser-ban-for-pwa-parity/ #AppleBrowserBan #OpenWeb #OpenWebAdvocacy

https://open-web-advocacy.org/#what

"Without regulatory or legislative change, we risk losing a universal, free and open, write once, deploy anywhere, application distribution and deployment system..."

"Apps built with the free and open #web need equal treatment and integration. Closed and heavily taxed proprietary ecosystems should not receive any preference."

via https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/28/apple_apps_challenge/

#AppleBrowserBan #OpenWeb #OpenWebAdvocacy #OWA