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Sounds like you're describing #permacomputing, or at least, some elements of it.
#uxn and #CollapseOS / #DuskOS are worth looking into, if you're not familiar with them already.
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Sounds like you're describing #permacomputing, or at least, some elements of it.
#uxn and #CollapseOS / #DuskOS are worth looking into, if you're not familiar with them already.
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Re: What if Humanity forgot how to make CPUs?
https://youtu.be/L2OJFqs8bUk by #LaurieWired#CollapseOS? https://collapseos.org
#DuskOS? https://duskos.orgSome eccentric ideas for keeping computers running for as long as we can https://100r.co/site/permacomputing_101.html
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How would you make a digital storage, communication, & computation system with just what's available in different eras?
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Re: What if Humanity forgot how to make CPUs?
https://youtu.be/L2OJFqs8bUk by #LaurieWired#CollapseOS? https://collapseos.org
#DuskOS? https://duskos.orgSome eccentric ideas for keeping computers running for as long as we can https://100r.co/site/permacomputing_101.html
Alternative question:
How would you make a digital storage, communication, & computation system with just what's available in different eras?
Eg: 3000 yr ago? 2000 yr ago? 1000 yr ago? 500 yr ago? Etc… -
What do we do when the #Internet gets switched off?
Local backups:
Wikipedia
OS Repos
Howto videos and books
#DuskOS and #CollapseOS
Mesh networks on a suburb/small town basis.
Local AI models from #huggingfaceYou're going to lose all your precious cloud shit.
Your smart phone will likely be bricked. Find your old flip phone.I remember life before internet was everywhere, I still have my 26 volume encyclopedia in a plastic bag in the shed.
It's going to suck, but then societal collapse is never fun.
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🤔 Ah, Dusk OS, the revolutionary 32-bit throwback that plans to save us from our impending tech apocalypse, one #Forth line at a time. 🌅 Because what civilization really needs during a collapse is an "almost C compiler" to keep #UNIX running on your grandma's toaster. 🍞💻 Truly, the cutting edge of preparing for a future where modern computers are everywhere, yet nowhere.
https://duskos.org/ #DuskOS #TechApocalypse #RetroComputing #Language #Innovation #HackerNews #ngated -
🤔 Ah, Dusk OS, the revolutionary 32-bit throwback that plans to save us from our impending tech apocalypse, one #Forth line at a time. 🌅 Because what civilization really needs during a collapse is an "almost C compiler" to keep #UNIX running on your grandma's toaster. 🍞💻 Truly, the cutting edge of preparing for a future where modern computers are everywhere, yet nowhere.
https://duskos.org/ #DuskOS #TechApocalypse #RetroComputing #Language #Innovation #HackerNews #ngated -
Mañana voy a dar una charla sobre Collapse OS en la FLISoL Montevideo 2025 en el Espacio Colabora a las 11:35hs
Resumen:
Nuestra vida cotidiana está absolutamente permeada y atravesada por la tecnología y se sostiene gracias a que se satisfacen muchas condiciones que hoy damos por sentado, como la energía, recursos minerales, cadenas de suministros, etc. ¿Que pasaría si alguno de estos factores que determinan el devenir de la civilización moderna, se interrumpiera o fallara? Algunos autores plantean que la civilización moderna simplemente colapsaría. Collapse OS es un proyecto de un sistema operativo para dispositivos de 8-bits programado en FORTH con la intención de poder reiniciar la tecnología post-colapso, devolviendo la posibilidad de programar micro-controladores y otros dispositivos imprescindibles para la vida moderna, como un panel foto-voltaico, o el riego automático de una huerta. En esta charla presentamos el proyecto, sus argumentos y sus resultados, mirando con el ojo latinoamericano y viendo que preguntas interesantes nos plantea y nos deja, en el marco de nuestra relación con la tecnología.
#collapseos #duskos #apocalipsis #colapso #capitalismo #decrecimiento #solarpunk #resiliencia #obsolescenciaprogramada #informática -
Mañana voy a dar una charla sobre Collapse OS en la FLISoL Montevideo 2025 en el Espacio Colabora a las 11:35hs
Resumen:
Nuestra vida cotidiana está absolutamente permeada y atravesada por la tecnología y se sostiene gracias a que se satisfacen muchas condiciones que hoy damos por sentado, como la energía, recursos minerales, cadenas de suministros, etc. ¿Que pasaría si alguno de estos factores que determinan el devenir de la civilización moderna, se interrumpiera o fallara? Algunos autores plantean que la civilización moderna simplemente colapsaría. Collapse OS es un proyecto de un sistema operativo para dispositivos de 8-bits programado en FORTH con la intención de poder reiniciar la tecnología post-colapso, devolviendo la posibilidad de programar micro-controladores y otros dispositivos imprescindibles para la vida moderna, como un panel foto-voltaico, o el riego automático de una huerta. En esta charla presentamos el proyecto, sus argumentos y sus resultados, mirando con el ojo latinoamericano y viendo que preguntas interesantes nos plantea y nos deja, en el marco de nuestra relación con la tecnología.
#collapseos #duskos #apocalipsis #colapso #capitalismo #decrecimiento #solarpunk #resiliencia #obsolescenciaprogramada #informática -
Came across this very thoughtfully written email from the #DuskOS mailing list about the tradeoffs in #Forth -like simplicity. Super relevant to #permacomputing in general.
https://lists.sr.ht/~vdupras/duskos-discuss/%3CCADfQ9L9D6DNRODj+PQ2jQLbTgbN9XUmyG9p--wfGE72AUsNQyg@mail.gmail.com%3E -
Came across this very thoughtfully written email from the #DuskOS mailing list about the tradeoffs in #Forth -like simplicity. Super relevant to #permacomputing in general.
https://lists.sr.ht/~vdupras/duskos-discuss/%3CCADfQ9L9D6DNRODj+PQ2jQLbTgbN9XUmyG9p--wfGE72AUsNQyg@mail.gmail.com%3E -
I've been reading the #DuskOS docs in /text/ged.fs and learning ed/ged and trying my hands at implementing Bresenham's line drawing algorithm (in C for now) and I think Dusk is my new favorite OS.
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Video:
FORTH-OS DUSK-OS BY VIRGIL DUPRAS 2nd part -
Video:
FORTH-OS DUSK-OS BY VIRGIL DUPRAS 2nd part -
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Virgil Dupras presents #DuskOS to the #Forth2020 #Forth interest group
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The problem with the emulation approach is that it makes dropping down into native code harder. In #CollapseOS and #DuskOS you can write a word in native code and have a fallback definition in portable Forth that only activates if there is no native version.
With an emulated ISA (this also includes #uxn) you either use macro-ops (becomes complicated for large functions, how do you catch memset?) or you extend the ISA (see devices in uxn). :moomin_hmm: -
The problem with the emulation approach is that it makes dropping down into native code harder. In #CollapseOS and #DuskOS you can write a word in native code and have a fallback definition in portable Forth that only activates if there is no native version.
With an emulated ISA (this also includes #uxn) you either use macro-ops (becomes complicated for large functions, how do you catch memset?) or you extend the ISA (see devices in uxn). :moomin_hmm: -
This is kind of a cursed idea, but could something like #CollapseOS or #DuskOS run entirely from the CPU cache with no DRAM if one hacked it directly into the #BIOS? 🤔
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This is kind of a cursed idea, but could something like #CollapseOS or #DuskOS run entirely from the CPU cache with no DRAM if one hacked it directly into the #BIOS? 🤔
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I have found #duskos http://duskos.org/ which i'm looking into now :P but i still wanna check out more
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Its been years since I checked in on the status of the #collapseOS project, and to my delight it seems the author has only gone further and further down the #forth rabbit hole, starting a blog called Tumble Forth and launching cOS's successor, #duskOS https://tumbleforth.hardcoded.net/
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So with #OpenWRT having dropped support for old routers (at least for official full featured images), could they be repurposed for something like #DuskOS ?
They consume very little power and often the hardware is rather hackable and has documented mods for adding serial and USB ports.
#theFoundry -
The book / #newsletter Virgil Dupras (creator of #CollapseOS and #DuskOS and general #Forth wizard) started about getting started in low level programming is finally available on something that *isn't* #Substack .
https://tumbleforth.hardcoded.net/
If you are interested in topics like #permacomputing / #collapseComputing / #frugalComputing but don't really know where to start and have some moniez to spare, this might be worth taking a peek at. -
The book / #newsletter Virgil Dupras (creator of #CollapseOS and #DuskOS and general #Forth wizard) started about getting started in low level programming is finally available on something that *isn't* #Substack .
https://tumbleforth.hardcoded.net/
If you are interested in topics like #permacomputing / #collapseComputing / #frugalComputing but don't really know where to start and have some moniez to spare, this might be worth taking a peek at. -
Tumble Forth
“>> a series of articles … into the rabbit hole leading to the wonderful world of low level programming. <<“
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Hemming and hawing about if this is a blog post...
I lurk on threads and mailing lists about #permacomputing, #collapseOS, the forever computer and similar things.
Lately I've noticed I am totally and completely underwhelmed by these projects. Whereas I used to be excited about them, they're totally and utterly boring now. Not the people, not their goals, nor what they've achieved (#duskOS, for instance, is truly remarkable), but how the vision offered by all of them doesn't seem to see beyond computing's past or profoundly corporate uses for computation.
I think this is partially because the folks involved in these efforts tend to be computer-y types, hardware nerds, programming experts -- there aren't, at least in the conversations I've lurked on, storytellers, designers, folks dreaming of how a forever computer could be something wholly new...not just a really sturdy PDA with a keyboard and easily serviceable parts.
I wanna invite something new; is it even possible? What is a new face for computation?
Whereas the past was constrained by economic goals (design a thing to sell) what is a device designed to last forever? What is a device divorced from an economy?
There are, of course, constraints, limits, an environment to respect, but is there space to think of and dream up uses beyond a greatly glorified Apple 2?
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"Dusk OS is a 32-bit Forth and big brother to Collapse OS. It does everything Collapse OS does, has the same laser sharp focus on simplicity, but has a widened scope..."
"... in the history of computing, Forth has been under-explored. Its approach to simplicity is revolutionary. It has significant shortcomings when systems become more complex (Forth hates complexity and doesn't manage it well) but..."
https://git.sr.ht/~vdupras/duskos
via dragonfly digest
