#isolategab — Public Fediverse posts
Live and recent posts from across the Fediverse tagged #isolategab, aggregated by home.social.
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@rwg I’ll work to quantify that - it def existed. I was a leader in #isolategab efforts… but almost all were “federate gab regardless” as a pure libertarian stance & suspect those are now still “federate Threads regardless” (a camp as you read in my blog I’m not in )…but in both cases they were a fringe, if a loud one sometimes.
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#isolategab - for those choosing “what is gab?” Here is your answer and a good summary of how things started: https://www.vice.com/en/article/mb8y3x/the-nazi-free-alternative-to-twitter-is-now-home-to-the-biggest-far-right-social-network
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@tchambers I very staunchly opposed #IsolateGab and would be interested in hearing your take.
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Am seeing some (to my memory) mistaken history on the Fediverse organizing that I was senior in, that successfully fought to #isolategab back in the day. Was thinking about writing up a detailed, sourced account of that movement as I was very much on those front lines advocating to block. I’d also list differences between then and now with Meta in my view. What do you think?
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@probgoblin @timmy @nexusofprivacy
I think more like this:
The fight started May 2019 when gab announced the fork. But hadn't done anything yet.
July 4th, 2019 is when they launched with federation. *After* that the mass #IsolateGab effort kicked in fast.
Sometime around June *2020* ... gab dropped federation, but we didn't know.
And we learned we won that Dec 2020.
So it took a while.
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@nexusofprivacy Second suggestion for an addition: I was very involved in the #IsolateGab movement.
I'd add the note that one of the reasons for the full unity there is that it *wasn't* a preemptive strike at defederating.
It was NOT doing a first strike that helped us unify around a full fediverse-wide fediblock once they showed their intent. And even then, prior to the full fediblock, moderation tools helped off one by one cases well protecting our people.
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@jdp23 @edendestroyer @fancysandwiches
Yes: I was very involved in the #IsolateGab movement back in the day.
But for Gab itself that wasn't a feiblock first strike on the Fediverse side. Gab made clear their policies on hate and moderation they would use on the Fedi.And if Meta did the same in how they join the Fediverse - that is what we are working to verify if they do and go from there.
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@lrhodes Technically there is a brand that predates all the ones mentioned but apparently a lot of people don't know about it because it was rightfully yeeted from the fedi: Pawoo.
Oh and addendum: don't just block Facebook, but also everyone who doesn't block Facebook.
Remember #isolategab ? Same thing. -
@Are0h See the #IsolateGab history with the Fediverse.
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@bewildergeist the #mastoadmins have good muscle memory on how to quickly block those instances at scale. See the #isolategab effort and many since.
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@schock yes and see the #isolategab past campaign for lessons on what worked…
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@handle I guess its good we all have a different view of how situations went down to keep us all on our feet (:
I was all for the #IsolateGab movement. But... I saw a lot of people here who had varying opinions on how to tackle that situation get pretty thoroughly bulldozed by the prevailing tactic...
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@elipariser More reporting on this written before the #IsolateGab effort won the day.
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@elipariser Not a particular instance, but groups of instances --> See the past #IsolateGab effort... its on hold now until the next threat emerges but it successfully beat back Gab trying to join the Fediverse and drove it off...It also did a preemptive strike on TruthSocial for same.
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@emc2 Actualy see the #IsolateGab efforts to see that already having occurred to the Fediverse and them pushing back.
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This has always been our case. Platforms like #gab
are like "roach motels" that alt-right voices go into and then over time fracture from within. They have every right to exist, but when isolated away from communities who don't welcome them, they wither...https://politicalwire.com/2022/01/20/pro-trump-audiences-stall-on-alternative-social-networks/
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@Linux_in_a_Bit Not yet, but it still is good news. They were forced to honor the AGPLv3 license.... #IsolateGab
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❤️ We'd like to thank all the #fediverse inhabitants who stood ready to #isolateByoblu without any fuss, understanding the danger of federating with #Byoblu. In particular, we thank who, motivated by International solidarity, overcame language- and culture-specific barriers. Thanks to our sibling campaign @[email protected] et al. #isolateGab that paved the way for such initiatives in the fediverse. Special thanks to @mastohost who deeply studied the case, eventually de-platforming Byoblu. 2/2
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📣 #SocialByoblu shuts down, again, forever. They claim they haven't enough resources to handle moderation and to protect themselves from political exploitation. Suddenly "#freespeech" becomes a burden their € 0.5mln network can't afford, whereas they have always claimed that others should bear the responsibility for their own actions. That is not free speech, that is free-riding others' tools against others' will and safety. 1/2
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📣 #SocialByoblu shuts down, again, forever. They claim they haven't enough resources to handle moderation and to protect themselves from political exploitation. Suddenly "#freespeech" becomes a burden their € 0.5mln network can't afford, whereas they have always claimed that others should bear the responsibility for their own actions. That is not free speech, that is free-riding others' tools against others' will and safety. 1/2
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📣 #SocialByoblu shuts down, again, forever. They claim they haven't enough resources to handle moderation and to protect themselves from political exploitation. Suddenly "#freespeech" becomes a burden their € 0.5mln network can't afford, whereas they have always claimed that others should bear the responsibility for their own actions. That is not free speech, that is free-riding others' tools against others' will and safety. 1/2
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📣 #SocialByoblu shuts down, again, forever. They claim they haven't enough resources to handle moderation and to protect themselves from political exploitation. Suddenly "#freespeech" becomes a burden their € 0.5mln network can't afford, whereas they have always claimed that others should bear the responsibility for their own actions. That is not free speech, that is free-riding others' tools against others' will and safety. 1/2
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📣 #SocialByoblu shuts down, again, forever. They claim they haven't enough resources to handle moderation and to protect themselves from political exploitation. Suddenly "#freespeech" becomes a burden their € 0.5mln network can't afford, whereas they have always claimed that others should bear the responsibility for their own actions. That is not free speech, that is free-riding others' tools against others' will and safety. 1/2
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Seriously: who would want to host that stuff?! #Byoblu contents had been against #MastoHost terms of service from the beginning. #Messora plays the victim yet claims others' space. There is no right of platform, no #censorship. There is freedom of association, and the utmost part of the #fediverse decided not to federate them.
Who knows what will happen. In the meanwhile, we suggest to #block the whole *.byoblu.com subdomain.#isolateByoblu #isolateGab #fediadmin #fediblock #instanceblock 2/2
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⚠️ #SocialByoblu instance closes down! #Messora complains that #MastoHost provider changed its #policy to exclude them. Yet, under the disguise of #freespeech, #Byoblu has always spread #farright/#altright "#conspiracytheories"; "#gendercritical" and #transphobic "plots"; #racist, #antiSemitic, and #Islamophobic contents; hosting interviews with #Dugin and #Luttwak.
#isolateByoblu #isolateGab #fediadmin #fediblock #instanceblock #fediverse #block 1/2
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⚠️ #SocialByoblu instance closes down! #Messora complains that #MastoHost provider changed its #policy to exclude them. Yet, under the disguise of #freespeech, #Byoblu has always spread #farright/#altright "#conspiracytheories"; "#gendercritical" and #transphobic "plots"; #racist, #antiSemitic, and #Islamophobic contents; hosting interviews with #Dugin and #Luttwak.
#isolateByoblu #isolateGab #fediadmin #fediblock #instanceblock #fediverse #block 1/2
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⚠️ #SocialByoblu instance closes down! #Messora complains that #MastoHost provider changed its #policy to exclude them. Yet, under the disguise of #freespeech, #Byoblu has always spread #farright/#altright "#conspiracytheories"; "#gendercritical" and #transphobic "plots"; #racist, #antiSemitic, and #Islamophobic contents; hosting interviews with #Dugin and #Luttwak.
#isolateByoblu #isolateGab #fediadmin #fediblock #instanceblock #fediverse #block 1/2
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CW: ⛔ Block social.byoblu.com and keep the fediverse a safer place
If you value the safety of people around you (and yours), please consider blocking social.byoblu.com to keep the fediverse a safer place.
Boost the toots of this account and talk with the users of your instance to decide what to do with Byoblu. Involve the admins in the discussion. Defederate it and who federates it.
#isolateByoblu #isolateGab #fediadmin #fediverse #block #instanceblock #Byoblu -
Q: I see no harm, and you just want every instance being a gilded cage.
A: The fact that you do not experience harm from their content, does not mean it can be generalized. Our concern is not about casting everything we disagree with out of the Internet, it is about preventing damage to whom already is target of harassment and marginalization.
#isolateByoblu #isolateGab #fediadmin #fediverse #block #instanceblock #Byoblu
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CW: block social.byoblu.com /1
Byoblu notoriously fuels #racist #conspiracytheories. It has given voice to the "Kalergi plan", a belief system in which ethnic replacement by immigrantion serves as control over the white population. This theory has very racist implications, such as "mixed" marriages being means of "polluting" population genetics, to make people more condescending towards "the powers that be".
#isolateByoblu #isolateGab #fediadmin #fediverse #block #instanceblock #Byoblu -
Q: It does not hurt me. Why can't you wait and see how it goes?
A: As the name implies, the "fediverse" is a federation. The object of a federation is to consider the risk for others, take responsibility, and act accordingly before the situation gets worse.
#isolateByoblu #isolateGab #fediadmin #fediverse #block #instanceblock #Byoblu
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Q: If you de-federate their instance, why should we de-federate them too? Aren't you safe enough yet?
A: Because your instance becomes the means to circumvent our block. A message tooted from a safer space and boosted on a third instance that federates with theirs can be read by any account of their instance. [...]
#isolateByoblu #isolateGab #fediadmin #fediverse #block #instanceblock #Byoblu
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Q: They are not technically/legally/self-proclaimed fascists.
A: This is an interesting discussion among academics. We are aware of several definitions of fascism, and here is an unfinished list according to the consensual Wikipedian point of view. Academically, we may say we fight kyriarchal content. We adopt an operational definition called "fascist duck test" [...]
#isolateByoblu #isolateGab #fediadmin #fediverse #block #instanceblock #Byoblu
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CW: block social.byoblu.com /3
Byoblu also welcomes several souverainist figures. Those are specialized in turning socialist instances into discriminatory, suprematist claims.
They aim to turn the oppressed against each other, in a malicious overturning where the other oppressed are the real enemy, as they weakens the strenght of the people. This argument is routinely used against migrants and LGBTQIA+ persons.
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Q: I actually found good videos on their channel. They don't seem nazis to me.
A: A broken clock is right twice a day. Yet, it's still a broken clock. There are anti-fascist folks out there who enjoy Byoblu, and they profit by association from these antifascists' accountability to broad their audience. Yet they are openly platforming contents these anti-fascists would not agree with. [...]#isolateByoblu #isolateGab #fediadmin #fediverse #block #instanceblock #Byoblu
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Q: What about other instances federated to social.byoblu.com?
A: Help yourself with the standard URL for tag timelines. This can be done adding tags/byoblu to any Mastodon instance's url, e.g. example.social/tags/byoblu. This can be checked directly in your browser even without an account. There are 3 possible outcomes. [...]
#isolateByoblu #isolateGab #fediadmin #fediverse #block #instanceblock #Byoblu
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Q: If you are anti-social, why do you choose social networks at all?
A: Provided that there's nothing wrong with being so, social networks are tools anybody decides how to use them, the most introverted too (just lurking is fine).
Nonetheless: being anti-social means avoiding social contact at all, being selective is a completely different thing. [...]#isolateByoblu #isolateGab #fediadmin #fediverse #block #instanceblock #Byoblu
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CW: block social.byoblu.com /4
Byoblu monetizes and platforms contents of #sexism #queerphobia #racism under cover of #freespeech.
Byoblu diverts stances against #austerity #neoliberism #consumerism #globalization towards #nationalism #populism #traditionalism.
Act in solidarity with marginalized and oppresed people who can't afford harmful contents and the policies Byoblu conveys. Defederate it and who federates it.
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Q: De-federating their instance is against my right of information to read toots from them, and against my right to disseminate my toots across their instance. It's against free speech.
A: You can read their public timeline even without an account in the fediverse, and they can read the public timeline of any instance or your account timeline even without an account in the fediverse. [...]
#isolateByoblu #isolateGab #fediadmin #fediverse #block #instanceblock #Byoblu
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Q: You can't think the fediverse will always be "pure" and "homogeneous" with people thinking like you.
A: We promote diversity in opinion, and encourage debating ideas, not people. A line should be drawn when opinions threaten to harm people on a discriminatory basis. Just to be clear, "pure" and "homogeneous" is their line of work, not ours.
#isolateByoblu #isolateGab #fediadmin #fediverse #block #instanceblock #Byoblu
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Q: They aren't doing anything illegal.
A: Besides the fact that not every harmful content is illegal, there is plenty of exploiting/oppressing/marginalizing laws that we find unjust. Thus, we refuse to give law a value by itself. If you are strict with law, we can legally refuse not to platform their content, and so can you and your instance.
#isolateByoblu #isolateGab #fediadmin #fediverse #block #instanceblock #Byoblu
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CW: block social.byoblu.com /2
Byoblu gives platform to #gendertheory, an all-encompassing #conspiracy where alliances of pro-LGBT movements act orderly to corrupt and weaken family and society orders. Much like the #Kalergiplan, the presumed intent is to make humankind more condescending, driving it toward being dominated by "the powers that be". Such theory has attracted misogynistic, homofobic and transfobic contents.
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CW: block social.byoblu.com /2
Byoblu gives platform to #gendertheory, an all-encompassing #conspiracy where alliances of pro-LGBT movements act orderly to corrupt and weaken family and society orders. Much like the #Kalergiplan, the presumed intent is to make humankind more condescending, driving it toward being dominated by "the powers that be". Such theory has attracted misogynistic, homofobic and transfobic contents.
#isolateByoblu #isolateGab #fediadmin #fediverse #block #instanceblock #Byoblu -
Q: How can I check whether my instance is still federated with social byoblu com?
A: You can search the tag #byoblu, and see whether you can read toots from social.byoblu.com scrolling the tag timeline. If so, the instance is very likely to be federated.
#isolateByoblu #isolateGab #fediadmin #fediverse #block #instanceblock #Byoblu
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Q: I can block single users. Why should I block the whole instance?
A: Blocking users is a time-consuming operation not everybody can invest into. Mods know that single-user blocking requires a continuous monitoring of new accounts and contents. One may even consider moderation as work, which is indeed paid in a few cases. [...]
#isolateByoblu #isolateGab #fediadmin #fediverse #block #instanceblock #Byoblu
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Q: That is against developers' will and software design.
A: Mastodon developers - as devs of other programs - adopted an opt-out model: you accept to federate until you choose not. The opt-out model should not absolve you and your instance's admins of your responsibilities. Indeed, indolence guarantees accountability and paves the way for acceptance. [...]
#isolateByoblu #isolateGab #fediadmin #fediverse #block #instanceblock #Byoblu
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CW: block social.byoblu.com /1
Byoblu notoriously fuels #racist #conspiracytheories. It has given voice to the "Kalergi plan", a belief system in which ethnic replacement by immigrantion serves as control over the white population. This theory has very racist implications, such as "mixed" marriages being means of "polluting" population genetics, to make people more condescending towards "the powers that be".
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Q: They do not share the symbols and rhetorics of fascists, yet they shared interviews with communists, constitutionalists, "do-gooders".
A: You will not see swastikas, fasces or roman salutes since showing those symbols does not help anyone to court a broader audience, but the result is racist and homophobic nonetheless. [...]
#isolateByoblu #isolateGab #fediadmin #fediverse #block #instanceblock #Byoblu