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And a link from Cornell Law School in case you don't want to click the other (.gov) link
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#USA #US #DHS #law #ICE #immigration #Minnesota #Minneapolis
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#MyThoughts
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And not only that, it is questionable whether federal immigration officers have probable cause to breach people's property detain people.
#ICE officers do not have warrants from judges. In fact, Vance said that they don't need to get those because they can have "administrative warrants."
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--Here I feel it it apropos to post a link to the US Constitution and highlight its 4th Amendment—
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His ability to lie & leave out facts is also trophy-worthy— like he said that if ICE, DHS, etc. are looking for horrible criminals (like sex offenders), then the state & local government and law enforcement should help them.
➡️ The problem with that argument is that often no one proved they were sex offenders or other horrible criminals. People are being dragged out of vehicles & houses without due process.
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such as with his "absolute immunity" claim.
(at least it wouldn't be true in USA 1)
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More unbelievable #gaslighting:
#JDVance made the argument that #Trump is “a genuine humanitarian,” & said “he just wants the killing to stop.”
Right, the guy deporting #children with #cancer who are #UScitizens, sending #asylum seekers to #CECOT & now #Libya, separating #families, canceling #funding to combat #InfectiousDisease & to make heart pumps for #babies w/ heart defects, yeah he’s a real #humanitarian. Go fuck yourself JD.
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Just boosted my post from Tuesday’s live 🧵 of the #VPdebate, so I could add this video→
#TimWalz #healthcare #ACA #ObamaCare #ObamaCareIStheACA #VPdebate #debate #Trump #JDVance #TrumpLies #VanceLies #Election2024 #Vote #VoteBlue #HarrisWalz2024
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#DanRather: ".. If there’s one thing #Vance has learned from #Trump, it’s that #lying to get ahead is OK. If you get caught, just double down & lie some more. .. Who’s going to fact check you? Well, apparently not CBS News.”
#FactCheck #VanceLies #VPdebate #disinformation #trumpaganda
#law #democracy #HarrisWalz2024
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"Vance showed that having three children has done diddly squat to make him care about the future. On the contrary, #Vance repeatedly made it clear that his "pro-family" view is all rhetoric. In practice, he doesn't care about actual #children, either now or in the #future.
That much was evident when Vance sneered that climate change is "weird science.""
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Among the #lies #Trump running mate #JDVance told over the course of the #VPdebate w/ Governor #TimWalz, denying his support for a national #AbortionBan may haunt him the longest because it is so easily disproven. Rachel #Maddow shares #Vance's own words contradicting his claims at the #debate, & discusses w/MSNBC colleagues.
#FactCheck #VanceLies #VPdebate #disinformation #propaganda #trumpaganda
#honesty #integrity #democracy
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There was a reason, he added, that #MikePence was not on the stage as #Trump’s running mate anymore.
And it was worth asking, he said, what that tells the viewers about #JDVance.
“America, I think you’ve got a really clear choice,” #TimWalz said, his eyes getting bigger, “of who’s going to honor that #democracy & who’s going to honor Donald Trump.”
#FactCheck #VanceLies #VPdebate #disinformation #propaganda #trumpaganda
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“#Jan6 was not Facebook ads,” #TimWalz shot back, as #JDVance grimaced slightly.
#Walz had a question for his counterpart.
“He is still saying he didn’t lose the election,” Walz said of #Trump, turning grandly to #Vance. “Did he lose the 2020 election?”
“Tim,” Vance replied, “I’m focused on the future.” He swerved to a point about Covid & censorship.
“That,” Walz said, “is a damning non-answer.”
#FactCheck #VanceLies #VPdebate #disinformation #trumpaganda
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#JDVance had heard enough.
“It’s really rich,” he said, chopping the air w/his hands, “for Democratic leaders to say that Donald #Trump is a unique threat to #democracy when he peacefully gave over power on January the 20th.”
He moved to equate past Democratic complaints about #election outcomes, including invocations of Russian interference in 2016 through FB ads & other means, w/the response in 2020.
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He was a teacher, he noted, & a football coach.
“I worked wi/kids long enough to know,” he said, “sometimes you really want to win.”But #Republicans like #Trump were already laying the groundwork to contest the current #election, he continued, & perhaps even to #imprison their political opponents.
“A president’s words matter,” #TimWalz said, punctuating his own. “A president’s words matter. People hear that.”#FactCheck #VanceLies #VPdebate #disinformation
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“We need to tell the story,” #TimWalz said. “I mean, he lost this #election & he said he didn’t.”
Walz often speaks w/a how’d-I-even-get-here feint toward political humility….
At his most effective, he is a kind of Labrador retriever of a communicator: affable, game, just happy to be there….
On Tues, after some dissembling earlier in the #debate — …Walz made a bid for the high ground, summoning more compelling details from his biography.
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For all their occasional paeans to #civility on Tues, this was the moment that crystallized an unshakable truth about this #election: One side still refuses to acknowledge the #truth about the last one — the persistent falsehood that has come to define so much of the era’s fragile & rampaging #politics.
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#JDVance pivoted jarringly to the subject of censorship. #TimWalz glanced up at the camera, silent, like a television character breaking the fourth wall.
“Well, I’ve enjoyed tonight’s debate,” #Walz began when it was his turn again, assessing an evening that was sometimes wobbly for him. He was about to enjoy it more.
#FactCheck #VanceLies #VPdebate #disinformation #propaganda #trumpaganda
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“Remember,” #Vance said of #Trump, “he said that on January the 6th, the protesters ought to protest peacefully. And on January the 20th, what happened? Joe Biden became the president. Donald Trump left the White House.”
This accounting was short a few details—the #violence, the #deaths & #injuries, the alleged #criminal #conspiracy, the “Hang Mike Pence” of it all.
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“What President #Trump has said is that there were problems,” #JDVance said when asked about his own past assertion that he would not have certified the 2020 election. “We should fight about those issues, debate those issues, peacefully in the public square. And that’s all I’ve said. And that’s all that Donald Trump has said.”
His debate opponent, #TimWalz, stared at him, unblinking….
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But when the #debate turned, near its final frames, to the subject of the 2020 election, #Vance faced a choice: He could validate, once more, #Trump’s relentless #lies about his defeat 4 yrs ago. Or he could try something else in the spirit of moving forward.
It did not seem like a difficult decision for him.
#FactCheck #VanceLies #VPdebate #disinformation #propaganda #trumpaganda
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#JDVance wanted to focus on the future, he said. His past, & his party’s, intervened.
For some 90 mins, #Vance, a proud #Republican ambassador to the online #right, had largely tailored his #debate-night message to a mass audience, avoiding most detours into #conservative fever swamps, as if determined to deliver a rolling rebuttal to Democrats’ longstanding suggestion that he was “#weird” & out of step.By Matt Flegenheimer
#FactCheck #VanceLies #VPdebate#HarrisWalz2024
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/02/us/politics/vance-jan-6-debate.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb -
This 🧵 is getting too long so for the other 18 “claims” fact-checked, here’s a GiftArticle link:
#FactCheck #VanceLies #VPdebate #disinformation #propaganda #trumpaganda
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AT LEAST 65 active-duty troops died in hostile action during #Trump’s presidency, the records show, as he ramped up commitments in #Iraq & #Syria to fight #ISIL / #ISIS while also launching airstrikes on Syria as punishment for a chemical weapons attack. Trump also escalated hostilities w/ #Iran, including the killing of #Soleimani. Trump claimed at the time the strike was carried out in accordance w/the Authorization for Use of Military Force resolution of 2001.
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“When was the last time that an American president didn’t have a major conflict break out? The only answer is during the 4 yrs that Donald Trump was president.” — #JDVance
Vance could have given a shout-out to #JimmyCarter, who turned 100 Tues.
Carter, POTUS 1977 to 1981, not only never formally declared #war or sought authorization to use #force from #Congress, but also military records show not a single soldier died in hostile action during his presidency. -
#Trump initially bragged about the fact that no one was killed, but it emerged that a US contractor suffered a serious eye injury & 110 #US troops had traumatic brain injuries while sheltering in place, w/35 being sent to Germany & the US for treatment. Yet Trump has continued to say they suffered only from headaches — as he did again just hours before the debate.
#FactCheck #VanceLies #VPdebate #disinformation #propaganda #trumpaganda
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#Iran attacked a US drone in 2019, but #Trump did NOT hit back. He lost his nerve [#ChickenedOut] at the last minute, acc/to multiple news accounts. Then Iran attacked a US military base in 2020 after Trump ordered the drone killing of Iranian Maj Gen Qasem #Soleimani on Jan 3, 2020. No one was killed, though more than 100 service members suffered from traumatic brain injuries.
#FactCheck #VanceLies #VPdebate #disinformation #propaganda #trumpaganda
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“When #Iran shot down an American aircraft in international airspace, Donald Trump tweeted, because that’s the standard #diplomacy of Donald #Trump. And when Iranian missiles did fall near #US troops & they received traumatic brain injuries, Donald Trump wrote it off as headaches.” — #TimWalz
This is largely ACCURATE.#FactCheck #VanceLies #VPdebate #disinformation #propaganda #trumpaganda
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#Iran’s production in pandemic stricken 2020 was the lowest in ~40 yrs, the EIA #said.
Experts say that even if #Trump had been reelected, he would have had trouble keeping #sanctions from eroding. In particular, #China has become adept at evading US sanctions by arranging for many buyers of Iranian oil to be small, semi-independent refineries known as “teapots.” Such entities accounted for about ⅕ of China’s worldwide #oil imports, per Reuters.
