#turnbull — Public Fediverse posts

@IndyMediaAus
This is essentially a *nothing* article which bring nothing new to the public debate surrounding #AUKUS, it also contains an error. There is only one more #Astute class SSN to be delivered to the RAN. A big mistake given how long it takes to build them.

The #Turnbull refences are basically **media beat ups**. The ex-PM has a long axe to grind on this subject.

@Heterokromia

Whoa… you’re making some statements that require a lot of assumptions on your part here. Unless you’re privy to the project there is no way you can make them. And quoting a few detracting experts isn’t much support for them either. All *expert* witnesses to the public enquiry have axes to grind. Some are obvious ( #Turnbull ） other not so much (ex-Defence), but none of them are on the *inside* now.

If #AUKUS was an illusion we wouldn’t have an ongoing project for it (there are still sane minds in our public service and in the #ADF to flag ‘impossible outcomes’). Whether AUKUS Tier One is poor value for money cannot be known, perhaps never will be, since this would require the value to be proven in a conflict (We’re talking here about whether the premium we pay is worth the insurance cover and possible payout). All I can say for sure is that there are valid strategic and tactical reasons to acquire #SSNs for the Australian Navy — we won’t acquire them just to be nice to the #US and the #UK or anyone else if we walk away from the current agreement.

As to spending less on #Defence. We barely spend 2% of GDP on defence. NDIS expenditure alone is set to equal that by the time we get a single SSN (Source: dataresearch.ndis.gov.au). Never mind the cost of public health overall which was already around 10% of GDP back in 2023 (Source: Statista.com). But I respect your pacifist views on this. I just don’t agree with those views.

As for International Institutions with military forces, that would be a surrender of sovereignty, the very criticism levelled at our US alliance and the AUKUS program. You can’t have it both ways. Moreover, we’ve had the #UN since 1945, with one war fought on its behalf that resolved nothing (1951 Korean War) and failed *intervention* and *peace keeping* missions enough to fill many history books. Unless we have a planetary govt, an armed international body is not going to spare anyone from the horrors of war and military aggression — 2,000 years of recorded history tells us that much. If an International military intervention is require, it is levied from countries willing to participate, and there we’re back to national standing armies which need to be funded adequately to do the tasks required of it.

I agree with your assessment of the #tRump Administration but there is a limit to his political mandate which he will not be able to breach. Moreover, the #ChristoFascist experiment currently underway is not a totalitarian regime and cannot become one in the US because of the democratic ideals embedded in the fabric of its society and made law in its Constitution.

I think I've addressed all the statements in your toot that I had issues with. I apologise for the length. Happy to dicsuss further, but not without making clear the assumptions behind any *statements*. If you wish to express an *opnion* on the other hand, that’s fine, we’ve all got those.

Former #Australian PM #Turnbull warns of self-censoring #ABC to please #Trump

In fact I had noticed that Australia had kept very quiet since Trump returned to the White House.

In tetchy ABC interview, Turnbull says Australia cannot self-censor to please Trump

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-11/turnbull-self-censor-trump-interview/105033838

‘Weak and ineffective’: Donald Trump lashes out at former Australian prime minister Malcolm #Turnbull - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/10/donald-trump-criticises-former-australian-prime-minister-pm-malcolm-turnbull #trump is such a thin-skinned weakling...

@msdropbear42 @MyView @CorruptDropbear

Yes.

Albo's fear response to Dutton parallels that of #Turnbull's to #Abbott and his #CoalSquad.

And that's on top of being a #FossilFuelClown.

@fixatedpersonsunit

Another major #AustralianPublicService #APS failure on #Abbott / #Turnbull / #Morrison watches.

#EthicalBankruptcy was evident many years prior.

Friend meets with #DFAT Australia's Dept of Foreign Affairs and Trade and asks for action against a smaller #Genocide occuring in S.E. Asia.
Public servant asks, "How will us taking action improve trade?".
With there being no prospects of improvements in trade forthcoming the meeting was terminated.

Been building for years.

Our deadliest export’: #Turnbull unleashes on #Murdoch
#auspol #MurdochRoyalCommission

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2023/09/22/murdoch-steps-down-news-corp/

"Former Australian PM Malcolm #Turnbull says Rupert Murdoch’s ‘anger-tainment’ damaged the #democratic world - Rupert #Murdoch has been accused of doing “enormous damage to the democratic world” by a former #Australian prime minister, as senior political figures in his country of birth greet news of the mogul stepping down as chair of his media empire with scepticism.

Malcolm Turnbull, a former #Liberal prime minister and advocate for a royal commission into the Murdoch media empire, said the media mogul had created an “anger-tainment ecosystem” that had left the #US “angrier and more divided than it’s been at any time since the civil war”.

The treasurer, Jim Chalmers, described Murdoch as a “controversial but influential” figure, while other senior political figures have noted that his decision to step down as chair of #Fox and #NewsCorp – but serve as “chairman emeritus” – will still allow him a “big role” in his media empire."

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/sep/22/former-australian-pm-malcolm-turnbull-comments-rupert-murdoch

#Media #NewsCorp #RupertMurdoch #FakeNews #Disinformation #Politics #USPolitics #Australia #AusPolitics #Oz

Sneak peek
Rough for tomorrow's AFR fill-in-
Stop! In the name of Mal
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#RobodebtRC #Turnbull

“Anthony Albanese says he would likely have signed up to Aukus if he had been PM at the time”

Also:

“we need to be more self-reliant. We need to be less vulnerable to international shocks”

Ok got it.

#auspol #aukus #albo #keating #turnbull

https://t.co/X2BEx5Haa4