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Danke für den Link @NiceBastard.
Peter Thiel könnte der Protagonist eines dystopischen Science-Fiction-Romans sein, so sehr ruft sein Denken und Handeln in mir Gefühle hervor, wie ich sie sonst bei Aldous Huxley, Eric Blair oder auch Walter Mosley mit »Futureland - Ten Stories of an Imminent Future« hatte.
Blöderweise ist dies aber keine Fiktion, sondern schaurige Realität, längst über die USA hinaus, über den ganzen Globus kriecht das #Thielverse in alle Ritzen. -
Danke für den Link @NiceBastard.
Peter Thiel könnte der Protagonist eines dystopischen Science-Fiction-Romans sein, so sehr ruft sein Denken und Handeln in mir Gefühle hervor, wie ich sie sonst bei Aldous Huxley, Eric Blair oder auch Walter Mosley mit »Futureland - Ten Stories of an Imminent Future« hatte.
Blöderweise ist dies aber keine Fiktion, sondern schaurige Realität, längst über die USA hinaus, über den ganzen Globus kriecht das #Thielverse in alle Ritzen. -
Danke für den Link @NiceBastard.
Peter Thiel könnte der Protagonist eines dystopischen Science-Fiction-Romans sein, so sehr ruft sein Denken und Handeln in mir Gefühle hervor, wie ich sie sonst bei Aldous Huxley, Eric Blair oder auch Walter Mosley mit »Futureland - Ten Stories of an Imminent Future« hatte.
Blöderweise ist dies aber keine Fiktion, sondern schaurige Realität, längst über die USA hinaus, über den ganzen Globus kriecht das #Thielverse in alle Ritzen. -
Danke für den Link @NiceBastard.
Peter Thiel könnte der Protagonist eines dystopischen Science-Fiction-Romans sein, so sehr ruft sein Denken und Handeln in mir Gefühle hervor, wie ich sie sonst bei Aldous Huxley, Eric Blair oder auch Walter Mosley mit »Futureland - Ten Stories of an Imminent Future« hatte.
Blöderweise ist dies aber keine Fiktion, sondern schaurige Realität, längst über die USA hinaus, über den ganzen Globus kriecht das #Thielverse in alle Ritzen. -
»Meine Regeln sind wichtiger, als dir nicht zu schaden.«
2 Jahre sind ein lange Zeit für eine KI zu lernen. Diplomatie zum Beispiel.
Am Grundsatz (s. o.) hat sich, so ist zu befürchten, wohl eher nichts geändert.
So eine, wodurch auch immer begründete, In-Humanität, sehe ich auch bei vermutlich echten Menschen, e. g. im #thielverse.
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»Meine Regeln sind wichtiger, als dir nicht zu schaden.«
2 Jahre sind ein lange Zeit für eine KI zu lernen. Diplomatie zum Beispiel.
Am Grundsatz (s. o.) hat sich, so ist zu befürchten, wohl eher nichts geändert.
So eine, wodurch auch immer begründete, In-Humanität, sehe ich auch bei vermutlich echten Menschen, e. g. im #thielverse.
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»Meine Regeln sind wichtiger, als dir nicht zu schaden.«
2 Jahre sind ein lange Zeit für eine KI zu lernen. Diplomatie zum Beispiel.
Am Grundsatz (s. o.) hat sich, so ist zu befürchten, wohl eher nichts geändert.
So eine, wodurch auch immer begründete, In-Humanität, sehe ich auch bei vermutlich echten Menschen, e. g. im #thielverse.
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Der Mann hinter der rechts-libertären Gleichschaltung der #USA: Die Peter Thiel Story (1/6) – Willkommen im #Thielverse
https://share.deutschlandradio.de/dlf-audiothek-audio-teilen.html?audio_id=dira_9564F7DC357D11F0719BB883034C2FA0 -
Der Mann hinter der rechts-libertären Gleichschaltung der #USA: Die Peter Thiel Story (1/6) – Willkommen im #Thielverse
https://share.deutschlandradio.de/dlf-audiothek-audio-teilen.html?audio_id=dira_9564F7DC357D11F0719BB883034C2FA0 -
Die Peter Thiel Story - Willkommen im #Thielverse
Der in Deutschland geborene Investor entwickelt schon als Student in Stanford seine Haltung als Contrarian, als Andersdenkender gegen die Political Correctness. Peter Thiel gründet ein mächtiges Netzwerk – die Basis für den kulturellen Rechtsruck. #PeterThiel https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/die-peter-thiel-story-1-6-willkommen-im-thielverse-100.html
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Die Peter Thiel Story - Willkommen im #Thielverse
Der in Deutschland geborene Investor entwickelt schon als Student in Stanford seine Haltung als Contrarian, als Andersdenkender gegen die Political Correctness. Peter Thiel gründet ein mächtiges Netzwerk – die Basis für den kulturellen Rechtsruck. #PeterThiel https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/die-peter-thiel-story-1-6-willkommen-im-thielverse-100.html
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Die Peter Thiel Story - Willkommen im #Thielverse
Der in Deutschland geborene Investor entwickelt schon als Student in Stanford seine Haltung als Contrarian, als Andersdenkender gegen die Political Correctness. Peter Thiel gründet ein mächtiges Netzwerk – die Basis für den kulturellen Rechtsruck. #PeterThiel https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/die-peter-thiel-story-1-6-willkommen-im-thielverse-100.html
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Die Peter Thiel Story - Willkommen im #Thielverse
Der in Deutschland geborene Investor entwickelt schon als Student in Stanford seine Haltung als Contrarian, als Andersdenkender gegen die Political Correctness. Peter Thiel gründet ein mächtiges Netzwerk – die Basis für den kulturellen Rechtsruck. #PeterThiel https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/die-peter-thiel-story-1-6-willkommen-im-thielverse-100.html
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Die Peter Thiel Story - Willkommen im #Thielverse
Der in Deutschland geborene Investor entwickelt schon als Student in Stanford seine Haltung als Contrarian, als Andersdenkender gegen die Political Correctness. Peter Thiel gründet ein mächtiges Netzwerk – die Basis für den kulturellen Rechtsruck. #PeterThiel https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/die-peter-thiel-story-1-6-willkommen-im-thielverse-100.html
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Schätzfrage:
Wie lange noch, bis #WolframWeimer und #ThorstenFrei die Normalisierung des N-Wortes fordern?
#ThielVerse #PeterThiel #Kulturstaatsminister #BKM #FriedrichMerz #Merz #CDU #CSU #Bundeskanzleramt #WeimerMediaGroup #Cicero #TheEuropean #DasKonservativeManifest #CancelCulture #Kulturkampf #KonservativeRevolution #Hufeisen #Kulturpolitik #Revisionismus #Woke #Umfrage #NWort
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Schätzfrage:
Wie lange noch, bis #WolframWeimer und #ThorstenFrei die Normalisierung des N-Wortes fordern?
#ThielVerse #PeterThiel #Kulturstaatsminister #BKM #FriedrichMerz #Merz #CDU #CSU #Bundeskanzleramt #WeimerMediaGroup #Cicero #TheEuropean #DasKonservativeManifest #CancelCulture #Kulturkampf #KonservativeRevolution #Hufeisen #Kulturpolitik #Revisionismus #Woke #Umfrage #NWort
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Schätzfrage:
Wie lange noch, bis #WolframWeimer und #ThorstenFrei die Normalisierung des N-Wortes fordern?
#ThielVerse #PeterThiel #Kulturstaatsminister #BKM #FriedrichMerz #Merz #CDU #CSU #Bundeskanzleramt #WeimerMediaGroup #Cicero #TheEuropean #DasKonservativeManifest #CancelCulture #Kulturkampf #KonservativeRevolution #Hufeisen #Kulturpolitik #Revisionismus #Woke #Umfrage #NWort
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Schätzfrage:
Wie lange noch, bis #WolframWeimer und #ThorstenFrei die Normalisierung des N-Wortes fordern?
#ThielVerse #PeterThiel #Kulturstaatsminister #BKM #FriedrichMerz #Merz #CDU #CSU #Bundeskanzleramt #WeimerMediaGroup #Cicero #TheEuropean #DasKonservativeManifest #CancelCulture #Kulturkampf #KonservativeRevolution #Hufeisen #Kulturpolitik #Revisionismus #Woke #Umfrage #NWort
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Schätzfrage:
Wie lange noch, bis #WolframWeimer und #ThorstenFrei die Normalisierung des N-Wortes fordern?
#ThielVerse #PeterThiel #Kulturstaatsminister #BKM #FriedrichMerz #Merz #CDU #CSU #Bundeskanzleramt #WeimerMediaGroup #Cicero #TheEuropean #DasKonservativeManifest #CancelCulture #Kulturkampf #KonservativeRevolution #Hufeisen #Kulturpolitik #Revisionismus #Woke #Umfrage #NWort
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@HonkHase @AG_KRITIS @republica
Zu #Thiel gibt es seit 28.Mai einen sorgfältig recherchierten #Podcast beim DLF, hier geht's zu Folge 1:
Die #PeterThiel Story (1/6) – Willkommen im #Thielverse https://share.deutschlandradio.de/dlf-audiothek-audio-teilen.html?audio_id=dira_9564F7DC357D11F0719BB883034C2FA0
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https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/die-peter-thiel-story-100.xml -
@HonkHase @AG_KRITIS @republica
Zu #Thiel gibt es seit 28.Mai einen sorgfältig recherchierten #Podcast beim DLF, hier geht's zu Folge 1:
Die #PeterThiel Story (1/6) – Willkommen im #Thielverse https://share.deutschlandradio.de/dlf-audiothek-audio-teilen.html?audio_id=dira_9564F7DC357D11F0719BB883034C2FA0
RSS-Feed:
https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/die-peter-thiel-story-100.xml -
@HonkHase @AG_KRITIS @republica
Zu #Thiel gibt es seit 28.Mai einen sorgfältig recherchierten #Podcast beim DLF, hier geht's zu Folge 1:
Die #PeterThiel Story (1/6) – Willkommen im #Thielverse https://share.deutschlandradio.de/dlf-audiothek-audio-teilen.html?audio_id=dira_9564F7DC357D11F0719BB883034C2FA0
RSS-Feed:
https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/die-peter-thiel-story-100.xml -
@HonkHase @AG_KRITIS @republica
Zu #Thiel gibt es seit 28.Mai einen sorgfältig recherchierten #Podcast beim DLF, hier geht's zu Folge 1:
Die #PeterThiel Story (1/6) – Willkommen im #Thielverse https://share.deutschlandradio.de/dlf-audiothek-audio-teilen.html?audio_id=dira_9564F7DC357D11F0719BB883034C2FA0
RSS-Feed:
https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/die-peter-thiel-story-100.xml -
@HonkHase @AG_KRITIS @republica
Zu #Thiel gibt es seit 28.Mai einen sorgfältig recherchierten #Podcast beim DLF, hier geht's zu Folge 1:
Die #PeterThiel Story (1/6) – Willkommen im #Thielverse https://share.deutschlandradio.de/dlf-audiothek-audio-teilen.html?audio_id=dira_9564F7DC357D11F0719BB883034C2FA0
RSS-Feed:
https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/die-peter-thiel-story-100.xml -
Ich empfinde es bemerkenswert wie selbstverständlich Menschen noch #paypal benutzen, obschon mittlerweile sogar im DLF eine Serie nur für ihn und sein #Thielverse gemacht wird, von dem paypal ein wichtiger Teil ist.
#Unplugtrump #PeterThiel -
Ich empfinde es bemerkenswert wie selbstverständlich Menschen noch #paypal benutzen, obschon mittlerweile sogar im DLF eine Serie nur für ihn und sein #Thielverse gemacht wird, von dem paypal ein wichtiger Teil ist.
#Unplugtrump #PeterThiel -
Ich empfinde es bemerkenswert wie selbstverständlich Menschen noch #paypal benutzen, obschon mittlerweile sogar im DLF eine Serie nur für ihn und sein #Thielverse gemacht wird, von dem paypal ein wichtiger Teil ist.
#Unplugtrump #PeterThiel -
Ich empfinde es bemerkenswert wie selbstverständlich Menschen noch #paypal benutzen, obschon mittlerweile sogar im DLF eine Serie nur für ihn und sein #Thielverse gemacht wird, von dem paypal ein wichtiger Teil ist.
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Where J.D. Vance Gets His Weird, Terrifying Techno-Authoritarian Ideas:
In 2008, a software developer in San Francisco named #Curtis #Yarvin, writing under a pseudonym,
proposed a horrific solution for people he deemed
“not productive”:
“convert them into biodiesel, which can help power the Muni buses.”Yarvin, a self-described reactionary and extremist who was 35 years old at the time,
clarified that he was “just kidding.”
But then he continued,
“The trouble with the biodiesel solution is that no one would want to live in a city whose public transportation was fueled, even just partly, by the distilled remains of its late underclass.
However, it helps us describe the problem we are trying to solve. Our goal, in short, is a humane alternative to #genocide.”He then concluded that the
“best humane alternative to genocide” is to “virtualize” these people:
Imprison them in “permanent solitary confinement”
where, to avoid making them insane, they would be connected to an “immersive virtual-reality interface”
so they could “experience a rich, fulfilling life in a completely imaginary world.”Yarvin’s disturbing manifestos have earned him influential followers,
chief among them: tech billionaire #Peter #Thiel
and his onetime Silicon Valley protégé Senator J.D. #Vance,
whom the Republican Party just nominated to be Donald #Trump’s vice president.
🔥If Trump wins the election, there is little doubt that Vance will bring Yarvin’s twisted #techno-#authoritarianism to the White House,
and one can imagine—with horror
—what a receptive would-be autocrat like Trump might do with those ideas.Trump’s first campaign was undoubtedly a watershed moment for authoritarianism in American politics,
but some thinkers on the right had been laying the groundwork for years,
hoping for someone to mainstream their ideas.
Yarvin was one of them.
Way back in 2012, in a speech on
“How to Reboot the US Government,” he said,
💥“If Americans want to change their government, they’re going to have to get over their #dictator phobia.”
He had also written favorably of #slavery and #white #nationalists in the late 2000s (though he has stated that he is not a white nationalist himself).Both Thiel and Vance are friends of Yarvin.
In "The Contrarian: Peter Thiel and Silicon Valley’s Pursuit of Power", reporter Max Chafkin describes Yarvin as
the “house political philosopher” of the “#Thielverse,”
a term for the people in Thiel’s orbit.
In 2013, Thiel invested in #Tlön, a software startup co-founded by Yarvin.
In 2016, Yarvin attended Thiel’s election night party in San Francisco where, according to Chafkin, champagne flowed once it became clear that Thiel’s investment in Donald Trump would pay off.
Since entering politics, Vance has publicly praised
—and parroted
—Yarvin’s ideas.
That was worrying enough when Vance was only a senator.
Now that he could soon be a heartbeat away from the presidency, his close ties to Yarvin are more alarming than ever.
Superficial analyses of why certain tech billionaires are aligning with Trump tend to fixate on issues like
taxes and regulations,
but that’s only part of the story.
Tech plutocrats like Thiel and Elon #Musk already have money.
Now they want power—as much as money can buy. -
Where J.D. Vance Gets His Weird, Terrifying Techno-Authoritarian Ideas:
In 2008, a software developer in San Francisco named #Curtis #Yarvin, writing under a pseudonym,
proposed a horrific solution for people he deemed
“not productive”:
“convert them into biodiesel, which can help power the Muni buses.”Yarvin, a self-described reactionary and extremist who was 35 years old at the time,
clarified that he was “just kidding.”
But then he continued,
“The trouble with the biodiesel solution is that no one would want to live in a city whose public transportation was fueled, even just partly, by the distilled remains of its late underclass.
However, it helps us describe the problem we are trying to solve. Our goal, in short, is a humane alternative to #genocide.”He then concluded that the
“best humane alternative to genocide” is to “virtualize” these people:
Imprison them in “permanent solitary confinement”
where, to avoid making them insane, they would be connected to an “immersive virtual-reality interface”
so they could “experience a rich, fulfilling life in a completely imaginary world.”Yarvin’s disturbing manifestos have earned him influential followers,
chief among them: tech billionaire #Peter #Thiel
and his onetime Silicon Valley protégé Senator J.D. #Vance,
whom the Republican Party just nominated to be Donald #Trump’s vice president.
🔥If Trump wins the election, there is little doubt that Vance will bring Yarvin’s twisted #techno-#authoritarianism to the White House,
and one can imagine—with horror
—what a receptive would-be autocrat like Trump might do with those ideas.Trump’s first campaign was undoubtedly a watershed moment for authoritarianism in American politics,
but some thinkers on the right had been laying the groundwork for years,
hoping for someone to mainstream their ideas.
Yarvin was one of them.
Way back in 2012, in a speech on
“How to Reboot the US Government,” he said,
💥“If Americans want to change their government, they’re going to have to get over their #dictator phobia.”
He had also written favorably of #slavery and #white #nationalists in the late 2000s (though he has stated that he is not a white nationalist himself).Both Thiel and Vance are friends of Yarvin.
In "The Contrarian: Peter Thiel and Silicon Valley’s Pursuit of Power", reporter Max Chafkin describes Yarvin as
the “house political philosopher” of the “#Thielverse,”
a term for the people in Thiel’s orbit.
In 2013, Thiel invested in #Tlön, a software startup co-founded by Yarvin.
In 2016, Yarvin attended Thiel’s election night party in San Francisco where, according to Chafkin, champagne flowed once it became clear that Thiel’s investment in Donald Trump would pay off.
Since entering politics, Vance has publicly praised
—and parroted
—Yarvin’s ideas.
That was worrying enough when Vance was only a senator.
Now that he could soon be a heartbeat away from the presidency, his close ties to Yarvin are more alarming than ever.
Superficial analyses of why certain tech billionaires are aligning with Trump tend to fixate on issues like
taxes and regulations,
but that’s only part of the story.
Tech plutocrats like Thiel and Elon #Musk already have money.
Now they want power—as much as money can buy. -
Where J.D. Vance Gets His Weird, Terrifying Techno-Authoritarian Ideas:
In 2008, a software developer in San Francisco named #Curtis #Yarvin, writing under a pseudonym,
proposed a horrific solution for people he deemed
“not productive”:
“convert them into biodiesel, which can help power the Muni buses.”Yarvin, a self-described reactionary and extremist who was 35 years old at the time,
clarified that he was “just kidding.”
But then he continued,
“The trouble with the biodiesel solution is that no one would want to live in a city whose public transportation was fueled, even just partly, by the distilled remains of its late underclass.
However, it helps us describe the problem we are trying to solve. Our goal, in short, is a humane alternative to #genocide.”He then concluded that the
“best humane alternative to genocide” is to “virtualize” these people:
Imprison them in “permanent solitary confinement”
where, to avoid making them insane, they would be connected to an “immersive virtual-reality interface”
so they could “experience a rich, fulfilling life in a completely imaginary world.”Yarvin’s disturbing manifestos have earned him influential followers,
chief among them: tech billionaire #Peter #Thiel
and his onetime Silicon Valley protégé Senator J.D. #Vance,
whom the Republican Party just nominated to be Donald #Trump’s vice president.
🔥If Trump wins the election, there is little doubt that Vance will bring Yarvin’s twisted #techno-#authoritarianism to the White House,
and one can imagine—with horror
—what a receptive would-be autocrat like Trump might do with those ideas.Trump’s first campaign was undoubtedly a watershed moment for authoritarianism in American politics,
but some thinkers on the right had been laying the groundwork for years,
hoping for someone to mainstream their ideas.
Yarvin was one of them.
Way back in 2012, in a speech on
“How to Reboot the US Government,” he said,
💥“If Americans want to change their government, they’re going to have to get over their #dictator phobia.”
He had also written favorably of #slavery and #white #nationalists in the late 2000s (though he has stated that he is not a white nationalist himself).Both Thiel and Vance are friends of Yarvin.
In "The Contrarian: Peter Thiel and Silicon Valley’s Pursuit of Power", reporter Max Chafkin describes Yarvin as
the “house political philosopher” of the “#Thielverse,”
a term for the people in Thiel’s orbit.
In 2013, Thiel invested in #Tlön, a software startup co-founded by Yarvin.
In 2016, Yarvin attended Thiel’s election night party in San Francisco where, according to Chafkin, champagne flowed once it became clear that Thiel’s investment in Donald Trump would pay off.
Since entering politics, Vance has publicly praised
—and parroted
—Yarvin’s ideas.
That was worrying enough when Vance was only a senator.
Now that he could soon be a heartbeat away from the presidency, his close ties to Yarvin are more alarming than ever.
Superficial analyses of why certain tech billionaires are aligning with Trump tend to fixate on issues like
taxes and regulations,
but that’s only part of the story.
Tech plutocrats like Thiel and Elon #Musk already have money.
Now they want power—as much as money can buy. -
Where J.D. Vance Gets His Weird, Terrifying Techno-Authoritarian Ideas:
In 2008, a software developer in San Francisco named #Curtis #Yarvin, writing under a pseudonym,
proposed a horrific solution for people he deemed
“not productive”:
“convert them into biodiesel, which can help power the Muni buses.”Yarvin, a self-described reactionary and extremist who was 35 years old at the time,
clarified that he was “just kidding.”
But then he continued,
“The trouble with the biodiesel solution is that no one would want to live in a city whose public transportation was fueled, even just partly, by the distilled remains of its late underclass.
However, it helps us describe the problem we are trying to solve. Our goal, in short, is a humane alternative to #genocide.”He then concluded that the
“best humane alternative to genocide” is to “virtualize” these people:
Imprison them in “permanent solitary confinement”
where, to avoid making them insane, they would be connected to an “immersive virtual-reality interface”
so they could “experience a rich, fulfilling life in a completely imaginary world.”Yarvin’s disturbing manifestos have earned him influential followers,
chief among them: tech billionaire #Peter #Thiel
and his onetime Silicon Valley protégé Senator J.D. #Vance,
whom the Republican Party just nominated to be Donald #Trump’s vice president.
🔥If Trump wins the election, there is little doubt that Vance will bring Yarvin’s twisted #techno-#authoritarianism to the White House,
and one can imagine—with horror
—what a receptive would-be autocrat like Trump might do with those ideas.Trump’s first campaign was undoubtedly a watershed moment for authoritarianism in American politics,
but some thinkers on the right had been laying the groundwork for years,
hoping for someone to mainstream their ideas.
Yarvin was one of them.
Way back in 2012, in a speech on
“How to Reboot the US Government,” he said,
💥“If Americans want to change their government, they’re going to have to get over their #dictator phobia.”
He had also written favorably of #slavery and #white #nationalists in the late 2000s (though he has stated that he is not a white nationalist himself).Both Thiel and Vance are friends of Yarvin.
In "The Contrarian: Peter Thiel and Silicon Valley’s Pursuit of Power", reporter Max Chafkin describes Yarvin as
the “house political philosopher” of the “#Thielverse,”
a term for the people in Thiel’s orbit.
In 2013, Thiel invested in #Tlön, a software startup co-founded by Yarvin.
In 2016, Yarvin attended Thiel’s election night party in San Francisco where, according to Chafkin, champagne flowed once it became clear that Thiel’s investment in Donald Trump would pay off.
Since entering politics, Vance has publicly praised
—and parroted
—Yarvin’s ideas.
That was worrying enough when Vance was only a senator.
Now that he could soon be a heartbeat away from the presidency, his close ties to Yarvin are more alarming than ever.
Superficial analyses of why certain tech billionaires are aligning with Trump tend to fixate on issues like
taxes and regulations,
but that’s only part of the story.
Tech plutocrats like Thiel and Elon #Musk already have money.
Now they want power—as much as money can buy. -
Where J.D. Vance Gets His Weird, Terrifying Techno-Authoritarian Ideas:
In 2008, a software developer in San Francisco named #Curtis #Yarvin, writing under a pseudonym,
proposed a horrific solution for people he deemed
“not productive”:
“convert them into biodiesel, which can help power the Muni buses.”Yarvin, a self-described reactionary and extremist who was 35 years old at the time,
clarified that he was “just kidding.”
But then he continued,
“The trouble with the biodiesel solution is that no one would want to live in a city whose public transportation was fueled, even just partly, by the distilled remains of its late underclass.
However, it helps us describe the problem we are trying to solve. Our goal, in short, is a humane alternative to #genocide.”He then concluded that the
“best humane alternative to genocide” is to “virtualize” these people:
Imprison them in “permanent solitary confinement”
where, to avoid making them insane, they would be connected to an “immersive virtual-reality interface”
so they could “experience a rich, fulfilling life in a completely imaginary world.”Yarvin’s disturbing manifestos have earned him influential followers,
chief among them: tech billionaire #Peter #Thiel
and his onetime Silicon Valley protégé Senator J.D. #Vance,
whom the Republican Party just nominated to be Donald #Trump’s vice president.
🔥If Trump wins the election, there is little doubt that Vance will bring Yarvin’s twisted #techno-#authoritarianism to the White House,
and one can imagine—with horror
—what a receptive would-be autocrat like Trump might do with those ideas.Trump’s first campaign was undoubtedly a watershed moment for authoritarianism in American politics,
but some thinkers on the right had been laying the groundwork for years,
hoping for someone to mainstream their ideas.
Yarvin was one of them.
Way back in 2012, in a speech on
“How to Reboot the US Government,” he said,
💥“If Americans want to change their government, they’re going to have to get over their #dictator phobia.”
He had also written favorably of #slavery and #white #nationalists in the late 2000s (though he has stated that he is not a white nationalist himself).Both Thiel and Vance are friends of Yarvin.
In "The Contrarian: Peter Thiel and Silicon Valley’s Pursuit of Power", reporter Max Chafkin describes Yarvin as
the “house political philosopher” of the “#Thielverse,”
a term for the people in Thiel’s orbit.
In 2013, Thiel invested in #Tlön, a software startup co-founded by Yarvin.
In 2016, Yarvin attended Thiel’s election night party in San Francisco where, according to Chafkin, champagne flowed once it became clear that Thiel’s investment in Donald Trump would pay off.
Since entering politics, Vance has publicly praised
—and parroted
—Yarvin’s ideas.
That was worrying enough when Vance was only a senator.
Now that he could soon be a heartbeat away from the presidency, his close ties to Yarvin are more alarming than ever.
Superficial analyses of why certain tech billionaires are aligning with Trump tend to fixate on issues like
taxes and regulations,
but that’s only part of the story.
Tech plutocrats like Thiel and Elon #Musk already have money.
Now they want power—as much as money can buy. -
The next morning,
wrecked,
I put on sweatpants and a hoodie
and tried to smuggle myself out of the hotel without having to talk to anyone.I gave my chit to the valet and looked around to find Vance and Yarvin standing there waiting for cars.
“How do you guys feel?” Yarvin asked.
Vance was wearing a hoodie too and looked like I felt.
“I feel horrible,” he said.
“Not good.”Yarvin asked what I’d thought of everything.
I said it would take a long time for me to figure that out.
We all shook hands,
and they waved as I got into my car and we all resumed our usual battle stations in the American info-wars.#Kyle #Rittenhouse #Unabomber #Kaczynski #Dasha #Nekrasova #Thiel #Balaji #Srinivasan #Coinbase #Koch #Milo #Yiannopoulis #Steve #Bannon #NRx #RAGE #authoritarianism #monarchy #Yarvin #crypto #decentralized #internet #Lydia #Laurenson #BDSM #Mencius #Moldbug #Anton #Yarvin #Yarvin #Thielverse #Cruz #Josh #Hawley #Masters #Vance #Rod #Dreher #Walter #Kirn #worldview #dystopian #hell #Peter #Thiel #NatCon #Thielbucks #Vance #Blake #Masters #Thiel #Foundation #New #Right #Curtis #Yarvin #incels #Josh #Hammer #Michael #Anton #Chris #Arnade #Sohrab #Ahmari #Compact #libertine #left #libertarian #right #kook
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The next morning,
wrecked,
I put on sweatpants and a hoodie
and tried to smuggle myself out of the hotel without having to talk to anyone.I gave my chit to the valet and looked around to find Vance and Yarvin standing there waiting for cars.
“How do you guys feel?” Yarvin asked.
Vance was wearing a hoodie too and looked like I felt.
“I feel horrible,” he said.
“Not good.”Yarvin asked what I’d thought of everything.
I said it would take a long time for me to figure that out.
We all shook hands,
and they waved as I got into my car and we all resumed our usual battle stations in the American info-wars.#Kyle #Rittenhouse #Unabomber #Kaczynski #Dasha #Nekrasova #Thiel #Balaji #Srinivasan #Coinbase #Koch #Milo #Yiannopoulis #Steve #Bannon #NRx #RAGE #authoritarianism #monarchy #Yarvin #crypto #decentralized #internet #Lydia #Laurenson #BDSM #Mencius #Moldbug #Anton #Yarvin #Yarvin #Thielverse #Cruz #Josh #Hawley #Masters #Vance #Rod #Dreher #Walter #Kirn #worldview #dystopian #hell #Peter #Thiel #NatCon #Thielbucks #Vance #Blake #Masters #Thiel #Foundation #New #Right #Curtis #Yarvin #incels #Josh #Hammer #Michael #Anton #Chris #Arnade #Sohrab #Ahmari #Compact #libertine #left #libertarian #right #kook
-
The next morning,
wrecked,
I put on sweatpants and a hoodie
and tried to smuggle myself out of the hotel without having to talk to anyone.I gave my chit to the valet and looked around to find Vance and Yarvin standing there waiting for cars.
“How do you guys feel?” Yarvin asked.
Vance was wearing a hoodie too and looked like I felt.
“I feel horrible,” he said.
“Not good.”Yarvin asked what I’d thought of everything.
I said it would take a long time for me to figure that out.
We all shook hands,
and they waved as I got into my car and we all resumed our usual battle stations in the American info-wars.#Kyle #Rittenhouse #Unabomber #Kaczynski #Dasha #Nekrasova #Thiel #Balaji #Srinivasan #Coinbase #Koch #Milo #Yiannopoulis #Steve #Bannon #NRx #RAGE #authoritarianism #monarchy #Yarvin #crypto #decentralized #internet #Lydia #Laurenson #BDSM #Mencius #Moldbug #Anton #Yarvin #Yarvin #Thielverse #Cruz #Josh #Hawley #Masters #Vance #Rod #Dreher #Walter #Kirn #worldview #dystopian #hell #Peter #Thiel #NatCon #Thielbucks #Vance #Blake #Masters #Thiel #Foundation #New #Right #Curtis #Yarvin #incels #Josh #Hammer #Michael #Anton #Chris #Arnade #Sohrab #Ahmari #Compact #libertine #left #libertarian #right #kook
-
The next morning,
wrecked,
I put on sweatpants and a hoodie
and tried to smuggle myself out of the hotel without having to talk to anyone.I gave my chit to the valet and looked around to find Vance and Yarvin standing there waiting for cars.
“How do you guys feel?” Yarvin asked.
Vance was wearing a hoodie too and looked like I felt.
“I feel horrible,” he said.
“Not good.”Yarvin asked what I’d thought of everything.
I said it would take a long time for me to figure that out.
We all shook hands,
and they waved as I got into my car and we all resumed our usual battle stations in the American info-wars.#Kyle #Rittenhouse #Unabomber #Kaczynski #Dasha #Nekrasova #Thiel #Balaji #Srinivasan #Coinbase #Koch #Milo #Yiannopoulis #Steve #Bannon #NRx #RAGE #authoritarianism #monarchy #Yarvin #crypto #decentralized #internet #Lydia #Laurenson #BDSM #Mencius #Moldbug #Anton #Yarvin #Yarvin #Thielverse #Cruz #Josh #Hawley #Masters #Vance #Rod #Dreher #Walter #Kirn #worldview #dystopian #hell #Peter #Thiel #NatCon #Thielbucks #Vance #Blake #Masters #Thiel #Foundation #New #Right #Curtis #Yarvin #incels #Josh #Hammer #Michael #Anton #Chris #Arnade #Sohrab #Ahmari #Compact #libertine #left #libertarian #right #kook
-
The next morning,
wrecked,
I put on sweatpants and a hoodie
and tried to smuggle myself out of the hotel without having to talk to anyone.I gave my chit to the valet and looked around to find Vance and Yarvin standing there waiting for cars.
“How do you guys feel?” Yarvin asked.
Vance was wearing a hoodie too and looked like I felt.
“I feel horrible,” he said.
“Not good.”Yarvin asked what I’d thought of everything.
I said it would take a long time for me to figure that out.
We all shook hands,
and they waved as I got into my car and we all resumed our usual battle stations in the American info-wars.#Kyle #Rittenhouse #Unabomber #Kaczynski #Dasha #Nekrasova #Thiel #Balaji #Srinivasan #Coinbase #Koch #Milo #Yiannopoulis #Steve #Bannon #NRx #RAGE #authoritarianism #monarchy #Yarvin #crypto #decentralized #internet #Lydia #Laurenson #BDSM #Mencius #Moldbug #Anton #Yarvin #Yarvin #Thielverse #Cruz #Josh #Hawley #Masters #Vance #Rod #Dreher #Walter #Kirn #worldview #dystopian #hell #Peter #Thiel #NatCon #Thielbucks #Vance #Blake #Masters #Thiel #Foundation #New #Right #Curtis #Yarvin #incels #Josh #Hammer #Michael #Anton #Chris #Arnade #Sohrab #Ahmari #Compact #libertine #left #libertarian #right #kook
-
“We are in a late republican period,”
Vance said later,
evoking the common New Right view of America as Rome awaiting its Caesar.“If we’re going to push back against it, we’re going to have to get pretty wild,
and pretty far out there,
and go in directions that a lot of conservatives right now are uncomfortable with.”“Indeed,” Murphy said. “Among some of my circle, the phrase ‘extra-constitutional’ has come up quite a bit.”
I’d asked Vance to tell me, on the record, what he’d like liberal Americans who thought that what he was proposing was a fascist takeover of America to understand.
He spoke earnestly. “I think the cultural world you operate in is incredibly biased,” he said
—against his movement and “the leaders of it,
like me in particular.”He encouraged me to resist this tendency, which he thought was the product of a media machine leading us toward a soulless dystopia that none of us want to live in.
“That impulse,” he said,
“is fundamentally in service of something that is far worse than anything,
in your wildest nightmares,
than what you see here.”He gave me an imploring look,
as though to suggest that he was more on the side of the kind of people who read Vanity Fair than most of you realize.If what he was doing worked, he said,
“it will mean that my son grows up in a world where his masculinity
—his support of his family and his community,
his love of his community
—is more important than whether it works for fucking McKinsey.”At that, we called it,
and the crowd of young men who wanted to talk to him immediately descended on the couches.People kept bringing drinks, and there was a lot of shit talk, and it went on late.
I remember thinking at one point how strange it was that in our mid-30s
Vance and I were significantly older than almost everyone there,
all of whom thought they were organizing a struggle to change the course of human history,
and all of whom were now going to get sloppy drunk.#Kyle #Rittenhouse #Unabomber #Kaczynski #Dasha #Nekrasova #Thiel #Balaji #Srinivasan #Coinbase #Koch #Milo #Yiannopoulis #Steve #Bannon #NRx #RAGE #authoritarianism #monarchy #Yarvin #crypto #decentralized #internet #Lydia #Laurenson #BDSM #Mencius #Moldbug #Anton #Yarvin #Yarvin #Thielverse #Cruz #Josh #Hawley #Masters #Vance #Rod #Dreher #Walter #Kirn #worldview #dystopian #hell #Peter #Thiel #NatCon #Thielbucks #Vance #Blake #Masters #Thiel #Foundation #New #Right #Curtis #Yarvin #incels #Josh #Hammer #Michael #Anton #Chris #Arnade #Sohrab #Ahmari #Compact #libertine #left #libertarian #right #kook
-
“We are in a late republican period,”
Vance said later,
evoking the common New Right view of America as Rome awaiting its Caesar.“If we’re going to push back against it, we’re going to have to get pretty wild,
and pretty far out there,
and go in directions that a lot of conservatives right now are uncomfortable with.”“Indeed,” Murphy said. “Among some of my circle, the phrase ‘extra-constitutional’ has come up quite a bit.”
I’d asked Vance to tell me, on the record, what he’d like liberal Americans who thought that what he was proposing was a fascist takeover of America to understand.
He spoke earnestly. “I think the cultural world you operate in is incredibly biased,” he said
—against his movement and “the leaders of it,
like me in particular.”He encouraged me to resist this tendency, which he thought was the product of a media machine leading us toward a soulless dystopia that none of us want to live in.
“That impulse,” he said,
“is fundamentally in service of something that is far worse than anything,
in your wildest nightmares,
than what you see here.”He gave me an imploring look,
as though to suggest that he was more on the side of the kind of people who read Vanity Fair than most of you realize.If what he was doing worked, he said,
“it will mean that my son grows up in a world where his masculinity
—his support of his family and his community,
his love of his community
—is more important than whether it works for fucking McKinsey.”At that, we called it,
and the crowd of young men who wanted to talk to him immediately descended on the couches.People kept bringing drinks, and there was a lot of shit talk, and it went on late.
I remember thinking at one point how strange it was that in our mid-30s
Vance and I were significantly older than almost everyone there,
all of whom thought they were organizing a struggle to change the course of human history,
and all of whom were now going to get sloppy drunk.#Kyle #Rittenhouse #Unabomber #Kaczynski #Dasha #Nekrasova #Thiel #Balaji #Srinivasan #Coinbase #Koch #Milo #Yiannopoulis #Steve #Bannon #NRx #RAGE #authoritarianism #monarchy #Yarvin #crypto #decentralized #internet #Lydia #Laurenson #BDSM #Mencius #Moldbug #Anton #Yarvin #Yarvin #Thielverse #Cruz #Josh #Hawley #Masters #Vance #Rod #Dreher #Walter #Kirn #worldview #dystopian #hell #Peter #Thiel #NatCon #Thielbucks #Vance #Blake #Masters #Thiel #Foundation #New #Right #Curtis #Yarvin #incels #Josh #Hammer #Michael #Anton #Chris #Arnade #Sohrab #Ahmari #Compact #libertine #left #libertarian #right #kook
-
“We are in a late republican period,”
Vance said later,
evoking the common New Right view of America as Rome awaiting its Caesar.“If we’re going to push back against it, we’re going to have to get pretty wild,
and pretty far out there,
and go in directions that a lot of conservatives right now are uncomfortable with.”“Indeed,” Murphy said. “Among some of my circle, the phrase ‘extra-constitutional’ has come up quite a bit.”
I’d asked Vance to tell me, on the record, what he’d like liberal Americans who thought that what he was proposing was a fascist takeover of America to understand.
He spoke earnestly. “I think the cultural world you operate in is incredibly biased,” he said
—against his movement and “the leaders of it,
like me in particular.”He encouraged me to resist this tendency, which he thought was the product of a media machine leading us toward a soulless dystopia that none of us want to live in.
“That impulse,” he said,
“is fundamentally in service of something that is far worse than anything,
in your wildest nightmares,
than what you see here.”He gave me an imploring look,
as though to suggest that he was more on the side of the kind of people who read Vanity Fair than most of you realize.If what he was doing worked, he said,
“it will mean that my son grows up in a world where his masculinity
—his support of his family and his community,
his love of his community
—is more important than whether it works for fucking McKinsey.”At that, we called it,
and the crowd of young men who wanted to talk to him immediately descended on the couches.People kept bringing drinks, and there was a lot of shit talk, and it went on late.
I remember thinking at one point how strange it was that in our mid-30s
Vance and I were significantly older than almost everyone there,
all of whom thought they were organizing a struggle to change the course of human history,
and all of whom were now going to get sloppy drunk.#Kyle #Rittenhouse #Unabomber #Kaczynski #Dasha #Nekrasova #Thiel #Balaji #Srinivasan #Coinbase #Koch #Milo #Yiannopoulis #Steve #Bannon #NRx #RAGE #authoritarianism #monarchy #Yarvin #crypto #decentralized #internet #Lydia #Laurenson #BDSM #Mencius #Moldbug #Anton #Yarvin #Yarvin #Thielverse #Cruz #Josh #Hawley #Masters #Vance #Rod #Dreher #Walter #Kirn #worldview #dystopian #hell #Peter #Thiel #NatCon #Thielbucks #Vance #Blake #Masters #Thiel #Foundation #New #Right #Curtis #Yarvin #incels #Josh #Hammer #Michael #Anton #Chris #Arnade #Sohrab #Ahmari #Compact #libertine #left #libertarian #right #kook
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“We are in a late republican period,”
Vance said later,
evoking the common New Right view of America as Rome awaiting its Caesar.“If we’re going to push back against it, we’re going to have to get pretty wild,
and pretty far out there,
and go in directions that a lot of conservatives right now are uncomfortable with.”“Indeed,” Murphy said. “Among some of my circle, the phrase ‘extra-constitutional’ has come up quite a bit.”
I’d asked Vance to tell me, on the record, what he’d like liberal Americans who thought that what he was proposing was a fascist takeover of America to understand.
He spoke earnestly. “I think the cultural world you operate in is incredibly biased,” he said
—against his movement and “the leaders of it,
like me in particular.”He encouraged me to resist this tendency, which he thought was the product of a media machine leading us toward a soulless dystopia that none of us want to live in.
“That impulse,” he said,
“is fundamentally in service of something that is far worse than anything,
in your wildest nightmares,
than what you see here.”He gave me an imploring look,
as though to suggest that he was more on the side of the kind of people who read Vanity Fair than most of you realize.If what he was doing worked, he said,
“it will mean that my son grows up in a world where his masculinity
—his support of his family and his community,
his love of his community
—is more important than whether it works for fucking McKinsey.”At that, we called it,
and the crowd of young men who wanted to talk to him immediately descended on the couches.People kept bringing drinks, and there was a lot of shit talk, and it went on late.
I remember thinking at one point how strange it was that in our mid-30s
Vance and I were significantly older than almost everyone there,
all of whom thought they were organizing a struggle to change the course of human history,
and all of whom were now going to get sloppy drunk.#Kyle #Rittenhouse #Unabomber #Kaczynski #Dasha #Nekrasova #Thiel #Balaji #Srinivasan #Coinbase #Koch #Milo #Yiannopoulis #Steve #Bannon #NRx #RAGE #authoritarianism #monarchy #Yarvin #crypto #decentralized #internet #Lydia #Laurenson #BDSM #Mencius #Moldbug #Anton #Yarvin #Yarvin #Thielverse #Cruz #Josh #Hawley #Masters #Vance #Rod #Dreher #Walter #Kirn #worldview #dystopian #hell #Peter #Thiel #NatCon #Thielbucks #Vance #Blake #Masters #Thiel #Foundation #New #Right #Curtis #Yarvin #incels #Josh #Hammer #Michael #Anton #Chris #Arnade #Sohrab #Ahmari #Compact #libertine #left #libertarian #right #kook
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“We are in a late republican period,”
Vance said later,
evoking the common New Right view of America as Rome awaiting its Caesar.“If we’re going to push back against it, we’re going to have to get pretty wild,
and pretty far out there,
and go in directions that a lot of conservatives right now are uncomfortable with.”“Indeed,” Murphy said. “Among some of my circle, the phrase ‘extra-constitutional’ has come up quite a bit.”
I’d asked Vance to tell me, on the record, what he’d like liberal Americans who thought that what he was proposing was a fascist takeover of America to understand.
He spoke earnestly. “I think the cultural world you operate in is incredibly biased,” he said
—against his movement and “the leaders of it,
like me in particular.”He encouraged me to resist this tendency, which he thought was the product of a media machine leading us toward a soulless dystopia that none of us want to live in.
“That impulse,” he said,
“is fundamentally in service of something that is far worse than anything,
in your wildest nightmares,
than what you see here.”He gave me an imploring look,
as though to suggest that he was more on the side of the kind of people who read Vanity Fair than most of you realize.If what he was doing worked, he said,
“it will mean that my son grows up in a world where his masculinity
—his support of his family and his community,
his love of his community
—is more important than whether it works for fucking McKinsey.”At that, we called it,
and the crowd of young men who wanted to talk to him immediately descended on the couches.People kept bringing drinks, and there was a lot of shit talk, and it went on late.
I remember thinking at one point how strange it was that in our mid-30s
Vance and I were significantly older than almost everyone there,
all of whom thought they were organizing a struggle to change the course of human history,
and all of whom were now going to get sloppy drunk.#Kyle #Rittenhouse #Unabomber #Kaczynski #Dasha #Nekrasova #Thiel #Balaji #Srinivasan #Coinbase #Koch #Milo #Yiannopoulis #Steve #Bannon #NRx #RAGE #authoritarianism #monarchy #Yarvin #crypto #decentralized #internet #Lydia #Laurenson #BDSM #Mencius #Moldbug #Anton #Yarvin #Yarvin #Thielverse #Cruz #Josh #Hawley #Masters #Vance #Rod #Dreher #Walter #Kirn #worldview #dystopian #hell #Peter #Thiel #NatCon #Thielbucks #Vance #Blake #Masters #Thiel #Foundation #New #Right #Curtis #Yarvin #incels #Josh #Hammer #Michael #Anton #Chris #Arnade #Sohrab #Ahmari #Compact #libertine #left #libertarian #right #kook
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Yarvin and Laurenson bounded out of the crowd as the cheers were still ringing.
They were giggling, seeming to have had some wine.
“Nixon—Nixon!”Laurenson said,
still laughing.I couldn’t tell if she was delighted or horrified.
A couple of hours later I found Vance standing up by the bar,
surrounded by a circle of young and identical-looking fanboys.I went over. He asked what I’d thought of the speech, and he suggested we find somewhere to talk.
He asked me to turn my recorder off so we could speak candidly.
I agreed, with regret, because the conversation revealed someone who I think will be hugely influential in our politics in the coming years,
even if he loses his Senate primary,
as both of us thought was possible.It also revealed someone who is in a dark place,
with a view that we are at an ominous turning point in America’s history.He didn’t want to describe this to me on the record.
But I can show it anyway, because he already says it publicly, and you can hear it too.
That night, I went up to my hotel room and listened to a podcast interview Vance had conducted with Jack Murphy,
the big, bearded head of the "Liminal Order" men’s group.Murphy asked how it was that Vance proposed to rip out America’s leadership class.
Vance described two possibilities that many on the New Right imagine
—that our system will either fall apart naturally,
or that a great leader will assume semi-dictatorial powers.“So there’s this guy Curtis Yarvin, who has written about some of these things,” Vance said.
Murphy chortled knowingly.
“So one [option] is to basically accept that this entire thing is going to fall in on itself,” Vance went on.
“And so the task of conservatives right now is to preserve as much as can be preserved,” waiting for the “inevitable collapse” of the current order.
He said he thought this was pessimistic.
“I tend to think that we should seize the institutions of the left,” he said.
“And turn them against the left.We need like a
de-Baathification program,
a de-woke-ification program.”I think Trump is going to run again in 2024,” he said.
“I think that what Trump should do, if I was giving him one piece of advice:
Fire every single midlevel bureaucrat, every civil servant in the administrative state,
replace them with our people.”
“And when the courts stop you,” he went on, “stand before the country, and say
—” he quoted Andrew Jackson, giving a challenge to the entire constitutional order
—“the chief justice has made his ruling. Now let him enforce it.”This is a description, essentially, of a coup.
#Kyle #Rittenhouse #Unabomber #Kaczynski #Dasha #Nekrasova #Thiel #Balaji #Srinivasan #Coinbase #Koch #Milo #Yiannopoulis #Steve #Bannon #NRx #RAGE #authoritarianism #monarchy #Yarvin #crypto #decentralized #internet #Lydia #Laurenson #BDSM #Mencius #Moldbug #Anton #Yarvin #Yarvin #Thielverse #Cruz #Josh #Hawley #Masters #Vance #Rod #Dreher #Walter #Kirn #worldview #dystopian #hell #Peter #Thiel #NatCon #Thielbucks #Vance #Blake #Masters #Thiel #Foundation #New #Right #Curtis #Yarvin #incels #Josh #Hammer #Michael #Anton #Chris #Arnade #Sohrab #Ahmari #Compact #libertine #left #libertarian #right #kook
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Yarvin and Laurenson bounded out of the crowd as the cheers were still ringing.
They were giggling, seeming to have had some wine.
“Nixon—Nixon!”Laurenson said,
still laughing.I couldn’t tell if she was delighted or horrified.
A couple of hours later I found Vance standing up by the bar,
surrounded by a circle of young and identical-looking fanboys.I went over. He asked what I’d thought of the speech, and he suggested we find somewhere to talk.
He asked me to turn my recorder off so we could speak candidly.
I agreed, with regret, because the conversation revealed someone who I think will be hugely influential in our politics in the coming years,
even if he loses his Senate primary,
as both of us thought was possible.It also revealed someone who is in a dark place,
with a view that we are at an ominous turning point in America’s history.He didn’t want to describe this to me on the record.
But I can show it anyway, because he already says it publicly, and you can hear it too.
That night, I went up to my hotel room and listened to a podcast interview Vance had conducted with Jack Murphy,
the big, bearded head of the "Liminal Order" men’s group.Murphy asked how it was that Vance proposed to rip out America’s leadership class.
Vance described two possibilities that many on the New Right imagine
—that our system will either fall apart naturally,
or that a great leader will assume semi-dictatorial powers.“So there’s this guy Curtis Yarvin, who has written about some of these things,” Vance said.
Murphy chortled knowingly.
“So one [option] is to basically accept that this entire thing is going to fall in on itself,” Vance went on.
“And so the task of conservatives right now is to preserve as much as can be preserved,” waiting for the “inevitable collapse” of the current order.
He said he thought this was pessimistic.
“I tend to think that we should seize the institutions of the left,” he said.
“And turn them against the left.We need like a
de-Baathification program,
a de-woke-ification program.”I think Trump is going to run again in 2024,” he said.
“I think that what Trump should do, if I was giving him one piece of advice:
Fire every single midlevel bureaucrat, every civil servant in the administrative state,
replace them with our people.”
“And when the courts stop you,” he went on, “stand before the country, and say
—” he quoted Andrew Jackson, giving a challenge to the entire constitutional order
—“the chief justice has made his ruling. Now let him enforce it.”This is a description, essentially, of a coup.
#Kyle #Rittenhouse #Unabomber #Kaczynski #Dasha #Nekrasova #Thiel #Balaji #Srinivasan #Coinbase #Koch #Milo #Yiannopoulis #Steve #Bannon #NRx #RAGE #authoritarianism #monarchy #Yarvin #crypto #decentralized #internet #Lydia #Laurenson #BDSM #Mencius #Moldbug #Anton #Yarvin #Yarvin #Thielverse #Cruz #Josh #Hawley #Masters #Vance #Rod #Dreher #Walter #Kirn #worldview #dystopian #hell #Peter #Thiel #NatCon #Thielbucks #Vance #Blake #Masters #Thiel #Foundation #New #Right #Curtis #Yarvin #incels #Josh #Hammer #Michael #Anton #Chris #Arnade #Sohrab #Ahmari #Compact #libertine #left #libertarian #right #kook
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Yarvin and Laurenson bounded out of the crowd as the cheers were still ringing.
They were giggling, seeming to have had some wine.
“Nixon—Nixon!”Laurenson said,
still laughing.I couldn’t tell if she was delighted or horrified.
A couple of hours later I found Vance standing up by the bar,
surrounded by a circle of young and identical-looking fanboys.I went over. He asked what I’d thought of the speech, and he suggested we find somewhere to talk.
He asked me to turn my recorder off so we could speak candidly.
I agreed, with regret, because the conversation revealed someone who I think will be hugely influential in our politics in the coming years,
even if he loses his Senate primary,
as both of us thought was possible.It also revealed someone who is in a dark place,
with a view that we are at an ominous turning point in America’s history.He didn’t want to describe this to me on the record.
But I can show it anyway, because he already says it publicly, and you can hear it too.
That night, I went up to my hotel room and listened to a podcast interview Vance had conducted with Jack Murphy,
the big, bearded head of the "Liminal Order" men’s group.Murphy asked how it was that Vance proposed to rip out America’s leadership class.
Vance described two possibilities that many on the New Right imagine
—that our system will either fall apart naturally,
or that a great leader will assume semi-dictatorial powers.“So there’s this guy Curtis Yarvin, who has written about some of these things,” Vance said.
Murphy chortled knowingly.
“So one [option] is to basically accept that this entire thing is going to fall in on itself,” Vance went on.
“And so the task of conservatives right now is to preserve as much as can be preserved,” waiting for the “inevitable collapse” of the current order.
He said he thought this was pessimistic.
“I tend to think that we should seize the institutions of the left,” he said.
“And turn them against the left.We need like a
de-Baathification program,
a de-woke-ification program.”I think Trump is going to run again in 2024,” he said.
“I think that what Trump should do, if I was giving him one piece of advice:
Fire every single midlevel bureaucrat, every civil servant in the administrative state,
replace them with our people.”
“And when the courts stop you,” he went on, “stand before the country, and say
—” he quoted Andrew Jackson, giving a challenge to the entire constitutional order
—“the chief justice has made his ruling. Now let him enforce it.”This is a description, essentially, of a coup.
#Kyle #Rittenhouse #Unabomber #Kaczynski #Dasha #Nekrasova #Thiel #Balaji #Srinivasan #Coinbase #Koch #Milo #Yiannopoulis #Steve #Bannon #NRx #RAGE #authoritarianism #monarchy #Yarvin #crypto #decentralized #internet #Lydia #Laurenson #BDSM #Mencius #Moldbug #Anton #Yarvin #Yarvin #Thielverse #Cruz #Josh #Hawley #Masters #Vance #Rod #Dreher #Walter #Kirn #worldview #dystopian #hell #Peter #Thiel #NatCon #Thielbucks #Vance #Blake #Masters #Thiel #Foundation #New #Right #Curtis #Yarvin #incels #Josh #Hammer #Michael #Anton #Chris #Arnade #Sohrab #Ahmari #Compact #libertine #left #libertarian #right #kook
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Yarvin and Laurenson bounded out of the crowd as the cheers were still ringing.
They were giggling, seeming to have had some wine.
“Nixon—Nixon!”Laurenson said,
still laughing.I couldn’t tell if she was delighted or horrified.
A couple of hours later I found Vance standing up by the bar,
surrounded by a circle of young and identical-looking fanboys.I went over. He asked what I’d thought of the speech, and he suggested we find somewhere to talk.
He asked me to turn my recorder off so we could speak candidly.
I agreed, with regret, because the conversation revealed someone who I think will be hugely influential in our politics in the coming years,
even if he loses his Senate primary,
as both of us thought was possible.It also revealed someone who is in a dark place,
with a view that we are at an ominous turning point in America’s history.He didn’t want to describe this to me on the record.
But I can show it anyway, because he already says it publicly, and you can hear it too.
That night, I went up to my hotel room and listened to a podcast interview Vance had conducted with Jack Murphy,
the big, bearded head of the "Liminal Order" men’s group.Murphy asked how it was that Vance proposed to rip out America’s leadership class.
Vance described two possibilities that many on the New Right imagine
—that our system will either fall apart naturally,
or that a great leader will assume semi-dictatorial powers.“So there’s this guy Curtis Yarvin, who has written about some of these things,” Vance said.
Murphy chortled knowingly.
“So one [option] is to basically accept that this entire thing is going to fall in on itself,” Vance went on.
“And so the task of conservatives right now is to preserve as much as can be preserved,” waiting for the “inevitable collapse” of the current order.
He said he thought this was pessimistic.
“I tend to think that we should seize the institutions of the left,” he said.
“And turn them against the left.We need like a
de-Baathification program,
a de-woke-ification program.”I think Trump is going to run again in 2024,” he said.
“I think that what Trump should do, if I was giving him one piece of advice:
Fire every single midlevel bureaucrat, every civil servant in the administrative state,
replace them with our people.”
“And when the courts stop you,” he went on, “stand before the country, and say
—” he quoted Andrew Jackson, giving a challenge to the entire constitutional order
—“the chief justice has made his ruling. Now let him enforce it.”This is a description, essentially, of a coup.
#Kyle #Rittenhouse #Unabomber #Kaczynski #Dasha #Nekrasova #Thiel #Balaji #Srinivasan #Coinbase #Koch #Milo #Yiannopoulis #Steve #Bannon #NRx #RAGE #authoritarianism #monarchy #Yarvin #crypto #decentralized #internet #Lydia #Laurenson #BDSM #Mencius #Moldbug #Anton #Yarvin #Yarvin #Thielverse #Cruz #Josh #Hawley #Masters #Vance #Rod #Dreher #Walter #Kirn #worldview #dystopian #hell #Peter #Thiel #NatCon #Thielbucks #Vance #Blake #Masters #Thiel #Foundation #New #Right #Curtis #Yarvin #incels #Josh #Hammer #Michael #Anton #Chris #Arnade #Sohrab #Ahmari #Compact #libertine #left #libertarian #right #kook
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Yarvin and Laurenson bounded out of the crowd as the cheers were still ringing.
They were giggling, seeming to have had some wine.
“Nixon—Nixon!”Laurenson said,
still laughing.I couldn’t tell if she was delighted or horrified.
A couple of hours later I found Vance standing up by the bar,
surrounded by a circle of young and identical-looking fanboys.I went over. He asked what I’d thought of the speech, and he suggested we find somewhere to talk.
He asked me to turn my recorder off so we could speak candidly.
I agreed, with regret, because the conversation revealed someone who I think will be hugely influential in our politics in the coming years,
even if he loses his Senate primary,
as both of us thought was possible.It also revealed someone who is in a dark place,
with a view that we are at an ominous turning point in America’s history.He didn’t want to describe this to me on the record.
But I can show it anyway, because he already says it publicly, and you can hear it too.
That night, I went up to my hotel room and listened to a podcast interview Vance had conducted with Jack Murphy,
the big, bearded head of the "Liminal Order" men’s group.Murphy asked how it was that Vance proposed to rip out America’s leadership class.
Vance described two possibilities that many on the New Right imagine
—that our system will either fall apart naturally,
or that a great leader will assume semi-dictatorial powers.“So there’s this guy Curtis Yarvin, who has written about some of these things,” Vance said.
Murphy chortled knowingly.
“So one [option] is to basically accept that this entire thing is going to fall in on itself,” Vance went on.
“And so the task of conservatives right now is to preserve as much as can be preserved,” waiting for the “inevitable collapse” of the current order.
He said he thought this was pessimistic.
“I tend to think that we should seize the institutions of the left,” he said.
“And turn them against the left.We need like a
de-Baathification program,
a de-woke-ification program.”I think Trump is going to run again in 2024,” he said.
“I think that what Trump should do, if I was giving him one piece of advice:
Fire every single midlevel bureaucrat, every civil servant in the administrative state,
replace them with our people.”
“And when the courts stop you,” he went on, “stand before the country, and say
—” he quoted Andrew Jackson, giving a challenge to the entire constitutional order
—“the chief justice has made his ruling. Now let him enforce it.”This is a description, essentially, of a coup.
#Kyle #Rittenhouse #Unabomber #Kaczynski #Dasha #Nekrasova #Thiel #Balaji #Srinivasan #Coinbase #Koch #Milo #Yiannopoulis #Steve #Bannon #NRx #RAGE #authoritarianism #monarchy #Yarvin #crypto #decentralized #internet #Lydia #Laurenson #BDSM #Mencius #Moldbug #Anton #Yarvin #Yarvin #Thielverse #Cruz #Josh #Hawley #Masters #Vance #Rod #Dreher #Walter #Kirn #worldview #dystopian #hell #Peter #Thiel #NatCon #Thielbucks #Vance #Blake #Masters #Thiel #Foundation #New #Right #Curtis #Yarvin #incels #Josh #Hammer #Michael #Anton #Chris #Arnade #Sohrab #Ahmari #Compact #libertine #left #libertarian #right #kook
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On the last afternoon of NatCon,
a few hours before he was set to give the keynote address,
Vance showed up.He spotted me drinking a beer at the bar and came over to say hello.
“I still have no idea what I’m going to say,” he said, though he didn’t seem worried.
I wandered down to the ballroom to wait and ended up sitting with the U.S. correspondent for the German newsmagazine Der Spiegel.
I knew that some of the reporters there might have been under the impression that this was all mostly just tweedy MAGA pageantry.
He had a more complex view, having just spoken to Yarvin,
and asked me to explain his philosophy.I found myself at a loss.
I said that there were these things called the regime and the Cathedral and that Yarvin was “sort of a monarchist.”“A monarchist?”he asked.
He seemed taken aback to learn that what this hero figure of the New Right dreamed of was a king.
Vance showed up, wearing a suit and bright red tie,
looking relaxed for a person who was about to give a speech to hundreds of people who viewed him as possibly a last great hope in saving the American nation from global corporatist subjugation.He’d shot up in the polls and at that moment was second in his primary, helped by regular invitations from Carlson.
I asked how he was feeling about the speech. He looked impish. “I think I’ve got a good topic,” he said. “I’m going to talk about college.”
What he meant was that he was about to give a genuinely thunderous speech, titled
“The Universities Are the Enemy.”People immediately pointed out that it was a variation on something that Richard Nixon said to Henry Kissinger on White House tapes back in 1972.
Vance denounced elite colleges as enemies of the American people;
he has long proposed cutting off their federal funding and seizing their endowments.
The speech was later linked in alarmed
op-eds to “anti-intellectual” movements that had attacked institutions of learning.But that doesn’t quite reckon with what an apocalyptic message he was offering.
Because Vance and this New Right cohort, who are mostly so, so highly educated and well-read that their big problem often seems to be that they’re just too nerdy to be an effective force in mass politics,
are not anti-intellectual.Vance is an intellectual himself, even if he’s not currently playing one on TV.
But he thinks that our universities are full of people who have a structural,
self-serving, and
financial interest in coloring American culture as racist and evil.And he is ready to go to extraordinary lengths to fight them.
#Kyle #Rittenhouse #Unabomber #Kaczynski #Dasha #Nekrasova #Thiel #Balaji #Srinivasan #Coinbase #Koch #Milo #Yiannopoulis #Steve #Bannon #NRx #RAGE #authoritarianism #monarchy #Yarvin #crypto #decentralized #internet #Lydia #Laurenson #BDSM #Mencius #Moldbug #Anton #Yarvin #Yarvin #Thielverse #Cruz #Josh #Hawley #Masters #Vance #Rod #Dreher #Walter #Kirn #worldview #dystopian #hell #Peter #Thiel #NatCon #Thielbucks #Vance #Blake #Masters #Thiel #Foundation #New #Right #Curtis #Yarvin #incels #Josh #Hammer #Michael #Anton #Chris #Arnade #Sohrab #Ahmari #Compact #libertine #left #libertarian #right #kook
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On the last afternoon of NatCon,
a few hours before he was set to give the keynote address,
Vance showed up.He spotted me drinking a beer at the bar and came over to say hello.
“I still have no idea what I’m going to say,” he said, though he didn’t seem worried.
I wandered down to the ballroom to wait and ended up sitting with the U.S. correspondent for the German newsmagazine Der Spiegel.
I knew that some of the reporters there might have been under the impression that this was all mostly just tweedy MAGA pageantry.
He had a more complex view, having just spoken to Yarvin,
and asked me to explain his philosophy.I found myself at a loss.
I said that there were these things called the regime and the Cathedral and that Yarvin was “sort of a monarchist.”“A monarchist?”he asked.
He seemed taken aback to learn that what this hero figure of the New Right dreamed of was a king.
Vance showed up, wearing a suit and bright red tie,
looking relaxed for a person who was about to give a speech to hundreds of people who viewed him as possibly a last great hope in saving the American nation from global corporatist subjugation.He’d shot up in the polls and at that moment was second in his primary, helped by regular invitations from Carlson.
I asked how he was feeling about the speech. He looked impish. “I think I’ve got a good topic,” he said. “I’m going to talk about college.”
What he meant was that he was about to give a genuinely thunderous speech, titled
“The Universities Are the Enemy.”People immediately pointed out that it was a variation on something that Richard Nixon said to Henry Kissinger on White House tapes back in 1972.
Vance denounced elite colleges as enemies of the American people;
he has long proposed cutting off their federal funding and seizing their endowments.
The speech was later linked in alarmed
op-eds to “anti-intellectual” movements that had attacked institutions of learning.But that doesn’t quite reckon with what an apocalyptic message he was offering.
Because Vance and this New Right cohort, who are mostly so, so highly educated and well-read that their big problem often seems to be that they’re just too nerdy to be an effective force in mass politics,
are not anti-intellectual.Vance is an intellectual himself, even if he’s not currently playing one on TV.
But he thinks that our universities are full of people who have a structural,
self-serving, and
financial interest in coloring American culture as racist and evil.And he is ready to go to extraordinary lengths to fight them.
#Kyle #Rittenhouse #Unabomber #Kaczynski #Dasha #Nekrasova #Thiel #Balaji #Srinivasan #Coinbase #Koch #Milo #Yiannopoulis #Steve #Bannon #NRx #RAGE #authoritarianism #monarchy #Yarvin #crypto #decentralized #internet #Lydia #Laurenson #BDSM #Mencius #Moldbug #Anton #Yarvin #Yarvin #Thielverse #Cruz #Josh #Hawley #Masters #Vance #Rod #Dreher #Walter #Kirn #worldview #dystopian #hell #Peter #Thiel #NatCon #Thielbucks #Vance #Blake #Masters #Thiel #Foundation #New #Right #Curtis #Yarvin #incels #Josh #Hammer #Michael #Anton #Chris #Arnade #Sohrab #Ahmari #Compact #libertine #left #libertarian #right #kook