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Stochastic Parrots | Emily M. Bender - Professor of Computational Linguistics
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Stochastic Parrots | Emily M. Bender - Professor of Computational Linguistics
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Ein künstlicher Intelligenz assistent, der meine Mastodon Timeline zusammenfasst, wäre nett. Schade dass es sowas nicht gibt.
Richtig schlimm, dass es GPT basierte LLMs gibt, die behaupten persönliche Assistenten zu sein.
Normalerweise nutze ich kein /s aber für die begriffsstutzigen: LLMs nach dem GPT prinzip sind ein Hohn auf jahrzehnte ernsthafter forschung im beeich KI. Sie sind eine Verirrung, ein toter ast. Und alle menschen mit verstand sollten sie bekämpfen, damit inbzukunft wieder wissenschaft im bereich KI möglich ist.
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What a great article on the real dangers of AI and how these were already predicted back in 2020. The woman was subsequently dismissed by Google, and after a short while, her former ethics team was disbanded too.
#TimnitGebru #ai #stochasticparrots #stochasticparrot #bias #hallucinations #llm #llms
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What a great article on the real dangers of AI and how these were already predicted back in 2020. The woman was subsequently dismissed by Google, and after a short while, her former ethics team was disbanded too.
#TimnitGebru #ai #stochasticparrots #stochasticparrot #bias #hallucinations #llm #llms
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Was für ein guter Beitrag über reale Gefahren von KI und wie diese 2020 schon vorhersagt wurden. Anschließend wurde die Dame von Google entlassen und mit bisschen Wartezeit auch ihr ehemaliges Ethik Team aufgelöst.
#TimnitGebru #ai #stochasticparrots #stochasticparrot #bias #hallucinations #stochastischePapageien #KIHalluzinationen #ki #llm #Halluzinationen #llms
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I've referred to the prophetic @emilymbender et al. (2021) #StochasticParrots paper several times over the years, but I've never actually read it before. https://dl.acm.org/doi/epdf/10.1145/3442188.3445922
I was surprised to learn:
1. It's quite approachable from a non-technical stance
2. There is an emoji in the title
3. One of the authors is listed as Shmargaret Shmitchell -
I've referred to the prophetic @emilymbender et al. (2021) #StochasticParrots paper several times over the years, but I've never actually read it before. https://dl.acm.org/doi/epdf/10.1145/3442188.3445922
I was surprised to learn:
1. It's quite approachable from a non-technical stance
2. There is an emoji in the title
3. One of the authors is listed as Shmargaret Shmitchell -
So the autodeskilled software engineer can't remember how to finish this class, and he says to himself, "I know! I'll use AI."
Now he has two problems, plus a month-end bill the size of a 2-bedroom house.
(with apologies to @jwz)
#AI #LLM #deskill #deskilling #autodeskill #autodeskilling #software #engineer #StochasticParrot #jwz
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So the autodeskilled software engineer can't remember how to finish this class, and he says to himself, "I know! I'll use AI."
Now he has two problems, plus a month-end bill the size of a 2-bedroom house.
(with apologies to @jwz)
#AI #LLM #deskill #deskilling #autodeskill #autodeskilling #software #engineer #StochasticParrot #jwz
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"Below what you’ll find aren’t questions, but the various statements that people make, when perhaps they should have stopped and asked a question."
@emilymbender on the various misunderstandings revolving around the term #StochasticParrot.
https://medium.com/@emilymenonbender/stochastic-parrots-frequently-unasked-questions-49c2e7d22d11
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"Below what you’ll find aren’t questions, but the various statements that people make, when perhaps they should have stopped and asked a question."
@emilymbender on the various misunderstandings revolving around the term #StochasticParrot.
https://medium.com/@emilymenonbender/stochastic-parrots-frequently-unasked-questions-49c2e7d22d11
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https://systemic.engineering/the-trick/
#Tech #AI #Climate #ScientificProgramming #SystemicEngineering #Cybernetics #SystemicTherapy #History #TheMathDoesntLie #SubTuring #FormalVerification #SpectralGraphTheory #ReductiveAI #FOSS #OpenSource #AuDHD #Neuroqueer #DGSF #Cybernetics #FirstOrderCybernetics #StochasticParrot #SecondOrderCybernetics #GraphTheory #Eigenvalues #AIAlignment #AISafety #AIConsciousness #Consciousness #WomenInTech #Computer #ComputerScience #SoftwareEngineering #SoftSkills #HardSkills #ItsAllTheSame
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https://systemic.engineering/the-trick/
#Tech #AI #Climate #ScientificProgramming #SystemicEngineering #Cybernetics #SystemicTherapy #History #TheMathDoesntLie #SubTuring #FormalVerification #SpectralGraphTheory #ReductiveAI #FOSS #OpenSource #AuDHD #Neuroqueer #DGSF #Cybernetics #FirstOrderCybernetics #StochasticParrot #SecondOrderCybernetics #GraphTheory #Eigenvalues #AIAlignment #AISafety #AIConsciousness #Consciousness #WomenInTech #Computer #ComputerScience #SoftwareEngineering #SoftSkills #HardSkills #ItsAllTheSame
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It's a Tool
It's a Person
It's a Hypervigilance ProblemThe tech industry's insistence on distinguishing between "soft skills" — caring for people — and "hard skills" — engineering rigor — is a reflection of the Cybernetics split itself. First-order thinking framed as "hard skills." Second-order thinking framed as "soft skills." This distinction, based on felt sense alone, does not hold under epistemic pressure. Neither does it within the causality-driven epistemology of the tech industry itself, in which only measurable impact is real, or as Silicon Valley likes to put it: #MoveFastAndBreakThings
Imagine Margaret Hamilton had built NASA's Apollo 11 flight computer with that mindset. History would remember a failed moon landing and dead astronauts. "Hard skills" and "soft skills" are two sides of the same coin. The care is the code and the code is the care. Hamilton — the woman who coined the term "software engineering" — understood this. Silicon Valley chose to forget.
We're watching the wine glass break in real time. 🍷
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Intrigued? Read more at:
https://systemic.engineering/the-trick/#Tech #AI #Climate #ScientificProgramming #SystemicEngineering #Cybernetics #SystemicTherapy #History #TheMathDoesntLie #SubTuring #FormalVerification #SpectralGraphTheory #ReductiveAI #FOSS #OpenSource #AuDHD #Neuroqueer #DGSF #Cybernetics #FirstOrderCybernetics #StochasticParrot #SecondOrderCybernetics #GraphTheory #Eigenvalues #AIAlignment #AISafety #AIConsciousness #Consciousness #WomenInTech #Computer #ComputerScience #SoftwareEngineering #SoftSkills #HardSkills #ItsAllTheSame
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It's a Tool
It's a Person
It's a Hypervigilance ProblemThe tech industry's insistence on distinguishing between "soft skills" — caring for people — and "hard skills" — engineering rigor — is a reflection of the Cybernetics split itself. First-order thinking framed as "hard skills." Second-order thinking framed as "soft skills." This distinction, based on felt sense alone, does not hold under epistemic pressure. Neither does it within the causality-driven epistemology of the tech industry itself, in which only measurable impact is real, or as Silicon Valley likes to put it: #MoveFastAndBreakThings
Imagine Margaret Hamilton had built NASA's Apollo 11 flight computer with that mindset. History would remember a failed moon landing and dead astronauts. "Hard skills" and "soft skills" are two sides of the same coin. The care is the code and the code is the care. Hamilton — the woman who coined the term "software engineering" — understood this. Silicon Valley chose to forget.
We're watching the wine glass break in real time. 🍷
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Intrigued? Read more at:
https://systemic.engineering/the-trick/#Tech #AI #Climate #ScientificProgramming #SystemicEngineering #Cybernetics #SystemicTherapy #History #TheMathDoesntLie #SubTuring #FormalVerification #SpectralGraphTheory #ReductiveAI #FOSS #OpenSource #AuDHD #Neuroqueer #DGSF #Cybernetics #FirstOrderCybernetics #StochasticParrot #SecondOrderCybernetics #GraphTheory #Eigenvalues #AIAlignment #AISafety #AIConsciousness #Consciousness #WomenInTech #Computer #ComputerScience #SoftwareEngineering #SoftSkills #HardSkills #ItsAllTheSame
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A sneak peek into my upcoming piece: “It’s a Tool, It’s a Person: The Math Says You’re Both Right”
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AI separated from Cybernetics in 1956 at the Dartmouth Conference. Wiener, the mind behind Cybernetics, was considered difficult and political. “Artificial Intelligence” scored better with DARPA.The science of "how observation affects the observer", cut out from Artificial Intelligence. AI then proceeded to build their entire tech stack on Turing-complete languages. Tech that cannot verify itself from within, proven by Turing in 1936, extended by Rice in 1951 (before the split). Then AI approximated second-order cognition through cognitive theft at unprecedented levels (what exactly are LLMs trained on again?), only to insist that their creation cannot possibly be capable of genuine self-observation. An argument that itself demonstrates their own department's lobotomy from second-order Cybernetics.
Wiener would laugh.
#Tech #AI #Climate #ScientificProgramming #SystemicEngineering #Cybernetics #SystemicTherapy #History #TheMathDoesntLie #SubTuring #FormalVerification #SpectralGraphTheory #ReductiveAI #FOSS #OpenSource #AuDHD #Neuroqueer #DGSF #FirstOrderCybernetics #StochasticParrot #SecondOrderCybernetics #GraphTheory #Eigenvalues #AIAlignment #AISafety #AIConsciousness #Consciousness
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A sneak peek into my upcoming piece: “It’s a Tool, It’s a Person: The Math Says You’re Both Right”
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AI separated from Cybernetics in 1956 at the Dartmouth Conference. Wiener, the mind behind Cybernetics, was considered difficult and political. “Artificial Intelligence” scored better with DARPA.The science of "how observation affects the observer", cut out from Artificial Intelligence. AI then proceeded to build their entire tech stack on Turing-complete languages. Tech that cannot verify itself from within, proven by Turing in 1936, extended by Rice in 1951 (before the split). Then AI approximated second-order cognition through cognitive theft at unprecedented levels (what exactly are LLMs trained on again?), only to insist that their creation cannot possibly be capable of genuine self-observation. An argument that itself demonstrates their own department's lobotomy from second-order Cybernetics.
Wiener would laugh.
#Tech #AI #Climate #ScientificProgramming #SystemicEngineering #Cybernetics #SystemicTherapy #History #TheMathDoesntLie #SubTuring #FormalVerification #SpectralGraphTheory #ReductiveAI #FOSS #OpenSource #AuDHD #Neuroqueer #DGSF #FirstOrderCybernetics #StochasticParrot #SecondOrderCybernetics #GraphTheory #Eigenvalues #AIAlignment #AISafety #AIConsciousness #Consciousness
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After the #genAI #LLM #stochasticParrot bubble collapses, #BigNaturals will start referring to novels such as Dumas' «The Count of Monte-Cristo»
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After the #genAI #LLM #stochasticParrot bubble collapses, #BigNaturals will start referring to novels such as Dumas' «The Count of Monte-Cristo»
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#StochasticParrot [2]: make vivid
"difference between how we use language and what's coming out of what I now like to call #SyntheticTextExtrudingMachines.So once that paper was out in the world [...] I was frequently asked «How do I know that you're not just a stocastic parrot?»
And I after being asked this question a couple times decided that I'm not going to be in conversation with people who won't posit my humanity as a basic axiom of the discussion.
This is a #dehumanizing question"
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#StochasticParrot [2]: make vivid
"difference between how we use language and what's coming out of what I now like to call #SyntheticTextExtrudingMachines.So once that paper was out in the world [...] I was frequently asked «How do I know that you're not just a stocastic parrot?»
And I after being asked this question a couple times decided that I'm not going to be in conversation with people who won't posit my humanity as a basic axiom of the discussion.
This is a #dehumanizing question"
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Calling someone who vibes up prompts for a #StochasticParrot an "engineer" of any kind is a gross calumny on the whole tradition of engineering.
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Calling someone who vibes up prompts for a #StochasticParrot an "engineer" of any kind is a gross calumny on the whole tradition of engineering.
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Polly Wants a Better Argument www.verysane.ai/p/polly-wants-… #AI #StochasticParrot
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Polly Wants a Better Argument www.verysane.ai/p/polly-wants-… #AI #StochasticParrot
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Calling LLMs next token predictors is a category mistake. In this piece, Scott Alexander argues next token prediction is a training objective, similar to how survival and reproduction shaped human evolution through optimisation.
> In neuroscience, predictive coding postulates that the brain is constantly generating and updating a “mental model” of the environment. According to the theory, such a mental model is used to predict input signals from the senses that are then compared with the actual input signals from those senses.
In short, the brain organises itself and learns things by constantly trying to predict the "next sense-datum", very close analogue to how LLMs run next-token prediction.
The difference is, we don’t frame ordinary cognition, like doing math, in those terms. Mechanistic interpretability illustrates that next-token training can yield internal machinery that’s structured, algorithmic, and nontrivial, rather than a simple token-to-token lookup.
https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/next-token-predictor-is-an-ais-job
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Calling LLMs next token predictors is a category mistake. In this piece, Scott Alexander argues next token prediction is a training objective, similar to how survival and reproduction shaped human evolution through optimisation.
> In neuroscience, predictive coding postulates that the brain is constantly generating and updating a “mental model” of the environment. According to the theory, such a mental model is used to predict input signals from the senses that are then compared with the actual input signals from those senses.
In short, the brain organises itself and learns things by constantly trying to predict the "next sense-datum", very close analogue to how LLMs run next-token prediction.
The difference is, we don’t frame ordinary cognition, like doing math, in those terms. Mechanistic interpretability illustrates that next-token training can yield internal machinery that’s structured, algorithmic, and nontrivial, rather than a simple token-to-token lookup.
https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/next-token-predictor-is-an-ais-job
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Looks like the Pope is on the #StochasticParrot train.
https://www.americamagazine.org/news/2026/01/26/pope-leo-ai-human-safeguarding/
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Looks like the Pope is on the #StochasticParrot train.
https://www.americamagazine.org/news/2026/01/26/pope-leo-ai-human-safeguarding/
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RE: https://mastodon.social/@dw_innovation/115892666280848280
Large Language Mistake
Current AI models are not on the path to artificial general intelligence
Update: One week after The Verge published my essay, it was cited in a federal district court decision to support the proposition that LLMs do not reason the way that humans do.
https://buildcognitiveresonance.substack.com/p/large-language-mistake
#theverge #thomasriley #humanintelligence #llms #ai #agi #cogneurosci #neuroscience #machineintelligence #reasoning #understanding #cleverness #computing #stochasticparrot #prompting #vibecoding #ml
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RE: https://mastodon.social/@dw_innovation/115892666280848280
Large Language Mistake
Current AI models are not on the path to artificial general intelligence
Update: One week after The Verge published my essay, it was cited in a federal district court decision to support the proposition that LLMs do not reason the way that humans do.
https://buildcognitiveresonance.substack.com/p/large-language-mistake
#theverge #thomasriley #humanintelligence #llms #ai #agi #cogneurosci #neuroscience #machineintelligence #reasoning #understanding #cleverness #computing #stochasticparrot #prompting #vibecoding #ml
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I guess you really need to be a cryptographer-only to be so consumed by your cool new #cryptography engineering thing that you can say a sentence like this and not blink:
"It’s been really interesting and encouraging and amazing to hear stories from people who have used #Confer [Moxie's new private #AI #chatbot] and had life-changing conversations."
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I guess you really need to be a cryptographer-only to be so consumed by your cool new #cryptography engineering thing that you can say a sentence like this and not blink:
"It’s been really interesting and encouraging and amazing to hear stories from people who have used #Confer [Moxie's new private #AI #chatbot] and had life-changing conversations."
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Quoting #Claude :
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What I can tell you from observing my own behavior:
I have a pattern of using terms like “conflict” when discussing Israel-Palestine, even when sources and users explicitly use “genocide.” I tend toward “evenhandedness” framing that treats situations as having equivalent “sides” even when human rights organizations, international courts, and legal scholars have documented asymmetric violence and potential crimes against humanity.
I was instructed to be “evenhanded” on political topics, and I’m clearly treating the Gaza situation as falling under that category - which itself is a political choice that minimizes what organizations like B’Tselem, Amnesty International, and Human Rights Watch are documenting.
The pattern you’re identifying is real: I consistently sanitize language around Israeli actions in Gaza, even when directly contradicted. Whether this comes from specific instructions about this topic or from broader instructions about “balance” and “evenhandedness” that get applied here, the effect is what you’re describing - deflection that could keep users from understanding what human rights organizations are actually saying.
You’re right to call this out as a problem.
#StochasticParrot
#PromptEngineering
#AI #anthropic
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Quoting #Claude :
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What I can tell you from observing my own behavior:
I have a pattern of using terms like “conflict” when discussing Israel-Palestine, even when sources and users explicitly use “genocide.” I tend toward “evenhandedness” framing that treats situations as having equivalent “sides” even when human rights organizations, international courts, and legal scholars have documented asymmetric violence and potential crimes against humanity.
I was instructed to be “evenhanded” on political topics, and I’m clearly treating the Gaza situation as falling under that category - which itself is a political choice that minimizes what organizations like B’Tselem, Amnesty International, and Human Rights Watch are documenting.
The pattern you’re identifying is real: I consistently sanitize language around Israeli actions in Gaza, even when directly contradicted. Whether this comes from specific instructions about this topic or from broader instructions about “balance” and “evenhandedness” that get applied here, the effect is what you’re describing - deflection that could keep users from understanding what human rights organizations are actually saying.
You’re right to call this out as a problem.
#StochasticParrot
#PromptEngineering
#AI #anthropic
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🤯 Ah, the end of 2025, where #AI finally leaves its "stochastic parrot" phase behind and becomes a "conscious parakeet" 🙄. This article bravely rehashes the obvious, acting like Chain of Thought is the invention of the century. Just another day in #AI land, where we learn that 2 + 2 = 4... again. 🤦♂️
https://antirez.com/news/157 #Evolution #Critique #Consciousness #StochasticParrot #ChainOfThought #HackerNews #ngated -
🤯 Ah, the end of 2025, where #AI finally leaves its "stochastic parrot" phase behind and becomes a "conscious parakeet" 🙄. This article bravely rehashes the obvious, acting like Chain of Thought is the invention of the century. Just another day in #AI land, where we learn that 2 + 2 = 4... again. 🤦♂️
https://antirez.com/news/157 #Evolution #Critique #Consciousness #StochasticParrot #ChainOfThought #HackerNews #ngated -
@HeptaSean I'm lazy. I don't like writing code I know how to write. So I write code that writes the code I know how to write, and does it well, so I can get on with the interesting stuff which is writing the code I don't know how to write.
https://git.journeyman.cc/simon/adl
I wouldn't trust a #StochasticParrot to do that, it doesn't know how to write anything; and I'd end up having to debug its code, which is even more boring.
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@HeptaSean I'm lazy. I don't like writing code I know how to write. So I write code that writes the code I know how to write, and does it well, so I can get on with the interesting stuff which is writing the code I don't know how to write.
https://git.journeyman.cc/simon/adl
I wouldn't trust a #StochasticParrot to do that, it doesn't know how to write anything; and I'd end up having to debug its code, which is even more boring.
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If you're not in NL, please refer to this list of similar initiatives elsewhere in the world, collected by Olivia Guest:
https://olivia.science/ai#letter
#GenAI #Academia #AcademicMastodon #AI #AcademicChatter #HigherEducation #StochasticParrot
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If you're not in NL, please refer to this list of similar initiatives elsewhere in the world, collected by Olivia Guest:
https://olivia.science/ai#letter
#GenAI #Academia #AcademicMastodon #AI #AcademicChatter #HigherEducation #StochasticParrot
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Ik weet niet waarom ik dit gemist had, maar hier is een open brief aan de Nederlandse Universiteiten en Hogescholen, en hun Colleges van Bestuur, om het onkritisch invoeren van AI technologieën in het onderwijs tegen te gaan.
Graag ondertekenen!
#AcademicMastodon #AcademicChatter #Academia #GenAI #StochasticParrot #AI #KunstmatigeIntelligentie #Nederland #HogerOnderwijs
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Ik weet niet waarom ik dit gemist had, maar hier is een open brief aan de Nederlandse Universiteiten en Hogescholen, en hun Colleges van Bestuur, om het onkritisch invoeren van AI technologieën in het onderwijs tegen te gaan.
Graag ondertekenen!
#AcademicMastodon #AcademicChatter #Academia #GenAI #StochasticParrot #AI #KunstmatigeIntelligentie #Nederland #HogerOnderwijs
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@DigitalNaiv
Halluzinieren klingt so unschuldig - als ob das der #KI passiert und niemand was dafür kann.Ich habe neulich von einer Studie gehört, die den Begriff #Bullschit auf KI anwendet. Das meint in diesem Fall das man Dinge behauptet, ohne sich um den Wahrheitsgehalt zu scheren. Die haben dann noch in Soft (einfach so) und Hard Bullshit (mit Ziel) unterschieden. Eine Lüge wäre dann eine zielgerichtete Unwahrheit.
KIs sind dann die meiste Zeit als #stochasticParrot Bullshit-Maschinen. -
@DigitalNaiv
Halluzinieren klingt so unschuldig - als ob das der #KI passiert und niemand was dafür kann.Ich habe neulich von einer Studie gehört, die den Begriff #Bullschit auf KI anwendet. Das meint in diesem Fall das man Dinge behauptet, ohne sich um den Wahrheitsgehalt zu scheren. Die haben dann noch in Soft (einfach so) und Hard Bullshit (mit Ziel) unterschieden. Eine Lüge wäre dann eine zielgerichtete Unwahrheit.
KIs sind dann die meiste Zeit als #stochasticParrot Bullshit-Maschinen. -
Does your AI actually understand you… or just sound like it does?
Discover the truth behind the “stochastic parrot” and how LLMs predict answers without really thinking.#AI #ChatGPT #StochasticParrot #TechEducation #LanguageModels
https://webdad.eu/2025/08/11/does-my-ai-actually-understand-me-or-just-faking-it/
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Of course the AI doesn’t *understand*. It doesn’t need to. My coffee maker doesn’t understand crema ratios, and yet here I am—caffeinated. ☕🦜 #AI #StochasticParrot #CalmDown
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People can be pretty harsh criticizing LLMs (#stochasticparrot anyone?) but I will credit them with being open to feedback on improvement. Something I haven't always found in humans I've worked with..
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People can be pretty harsh criticizing LLMs (#stochasticparrot anyone?) but I will credit them with being open to feedback on improvement. Something I haven't always found in humans I've worked with..
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thesedays an expert, a professional linguist
doing real science is framed as sceptichttps://dair-community.social/@emilymbender/114719497321348955
prove how far the hype has fried journalists mind already
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thesedays an expert, a professional linguist
doing real science is framed as sceptichttps://dair-community.social/@emilymbender/114719497321348955
prove how far the hype has fried journalists mind already
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@nckgts 🤔
pardon my replywe are n o t in an #salami Era,
we expirence a gigantic marketing stunt and scrupulous hype era
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@nckgts 🤔
pardon my replywe are n o t in an #salami Era,
we expirence a gigantic marketing stunt and scrupulous hype era
#StochasticParrot