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CW: skz "Spread My Wings" and discussion of skz ex-member
It's my umpteenth viewing of the #SpreadMyWings video because the algorithm knew I'd missed another little morsel.
So I have this headcanon that there's something fishy about Seungmin being the featured vocal in this song even though Woojin was supposedly the main vocal.
(The choreo features Seungmin too, even when he's not singing, which is an anomaly for skz choreo.)
There's a bit towards the end of the song where Seungmin gets to show off like he's the main vocal again, and Woojin's standing next to him doing some supporting ad libs.
There's something about the way they look at each other during this bit that makes me want to sit them down separately with a beverage of their choice and coax them into telling me everything about the other person that pisses them off.
https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx7y_QxiRLrGOBZ6h6YJvIABsyNzxMQvwo
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#KpopMonday #7thHeaven oh nooooo this theme's too broad! #StrayKids passed their 7th anniversary earlier this year and um there are over 100 songs just in their MV playlist, let alone all the others that don't have official MVs or performance videos.
Okay let's go with something released over 7 years ago. "Grr" performance video from their pre-debut Mixtape
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Ooh lots of lap-cushions etc in the Couch Talk livestream. Starting arrangement:
- #LeeKnow: blanket (did they run out of cushions?)
- #Han: #Blahaj omg!!!
- #Felix, #BangChan, #Changbin: small cushions
- #I_N, #Hyunjin, #Seungmin: no cushions (yet)Also there are small fluffy bunnies hopping around on the floor in front of them. ❤️❤️
I don't think I'll watch the whole stream tonight, but I'm looking forward to this one.
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Ooh lots of lap-cushions etc in the Couch Talk livestream. Starting arrangement:
- #LeeKnow: blanket (did they run out of cushions?)
- #Han: #Blahaj omg!!!
- #Felix, #BangChan, #Changbin: small cushions
- #I_N, #Hyunjin, #Seungmin: no cushions (yet)Also there are small fluffy bunnies hopping around on the floor in front of them. ❤️❤️
I don't think I'll watch the whole stream tonight, but I'm looking forward to this one.
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✂️ oh noooo #Seungmin, give up, #Changbin is not going to kiss you on this livestream
Welp. Okay. He gives up and starts slapping Changbin's chest instead. Good.
#BangChan grabs #LeeKnow again and this time he's controlling Lee Know's arm to wave goodbye.
#I_N plays with #Felix's hair, then grabs him around the waist and lifts him up when they all start being zero-gravity space octopuses again.
#Han ends the stream with an impression of No-Face from Spirited Away.
:youtube: https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxzu54_S7vE5uPh2ck24Dg1dLXTl9BaC73
#skz #skzLivestream #SeungBin #MinChan #JeongLix #skzExMember #NaughtyPuppies #minhohandling
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✂️ #Seungmin wants a KISS or possibly wants to CHOKE #Changbin. who knows.
:youtube: https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx7In5ODDda9XTcbC2RQ4Dl8VaYj5BkXG9
#skz #skzLivestream #SeungBin #skzChoking #skzExMember #NaughtyPuppies
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✂️ #Seungmin wants a kiss but #Changbin won't give it. #LeeKnow attempts to escape from #BangChan but Bang Chan won't allow it.
:youtube: https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxw24ENSi5Tgtyi0mnU_Diid37d4nnTgAK
#skz #skzLivestream #SeungBin #MinChan #skzExMember #NaughtyPuppies #minhohandling
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✂️ #I_N tries to escape attention by going beind a curtain, but he can't escape #Felix
Felix grins cheekily at the camera before he disappears.
#Han's been draped over #LeeKnow's butt, and now #BangChan wants to zoom in on Lee Know's pretty face. Han gets out of shot.
It seems that #Seungmin had been waiting for Lee Know's butt to become available for smacking again, so he moves in as soon as an opening presents itself.
Then someone has turned off the gravity(?) so they all start ... wiggling sinuously ... because that's what you do when there's no gravity.
Bang Chan gets back in the shot so he can tackle Lee Know, and then pull him back onto his lap.
Felix has emerged from behind the curtain and gets behind Seungmin to add a couple more wiggly tentacles to Seungmin's space octopus(?).
Then Seungmin snuggles in behind #Changbin.
There's a lot happening in 60 seconds.
:youtube: https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxaHO21BBTyMME9pW--XmAikRdB9V80V2m
#skz #skzLivestream #JeongLix #MinSung #2Min #MinChan #SeungLix #SeungBin #skzExMember #minhohandling #skzLapSitting
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✂️ #I_N tries to escape attention by going beind a curtain, but he can't escape #Felix
Felix grins cheekily at the camera before he disappears.
#Han's been draped over #LeeKnow's butt, and now #BangChan wants to zoom in on Lee Know's pretty face. Han gets out of shot.
It seems that #Seungmin had been waiting for Lee Know's butt to become available for smacking again, so he moves in as soon as an opening presents itself.
Then someone has turned off the gravity(?) so they all start ... wiggling sinuously ... because that's what you do when there's no gravity.
Bang Chan gets back in the shot so he can tackle Lee Know, and then pull him back onto his lap.
Felix has emerged from behind the curtain and gets behind Seungmin to add a couple more wiggly tentacles to Seungmin's space octopus(?).
Then Seungmin snuggles in behind #Changbin.
There's a lot happening in 60 seconds.
:youtube: https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxaHO21BBTyMME9pW--XmAikRdB9V80V2m
#skz #skzLivestream #JeongLix #MinSung #2Min #MinChan #SeungLix #SeungBin #skzExMember #minhohandling #skzLapSitting
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✂️ #I_N tries to escape attention by going beind a curtain, but he can't escape #Felix
Felix grins cheekily at the camera before he disappears.
#Han's been draped over #LeeKnow's butt, and now #BangChan wants to zoom in on Lee Know's pretty face. Han gets out of shot.
It seems that #Seungmin had been waiting for Lee Know's butt to become available for smacking again, so he moves in as soon as an opening presents itself.
Then someone has turned off the gravity(?) so they all start ... wiggling sinuously ... because that's what you do when there's no gravity.
Bang Chan gets back in the shot so he can tackle Lee Know, and then pull him back onto his lap.
Felix has emerged from behind the curtain and gets behind Seungmin to add a couple more wiggly tentacles to Seungmin's space octopus(?).
Then Seungmin snuggles in behind #Changbin.
There's a lot happening in 60 seconds.
:youtube: https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxaHO21BBTyMME9pW--XmAikRdB9V80V2m
#skz #skzLivestream #JeongLix #MinSung #2Min #MinChan #SeungLix #SeungBin #skzExMember #minhohandling #skzLapSitting
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✂️ #I_N tries to escape attention by going beind a curtain, but he can't escape #Felix
Felix grins cheekily at the camera before he disappears.
#Han's been draped over #LeeKnow's butt, and now #BangChan wants to zoom in on Lee Know's pretty face. Han gets out of shot.
It seems that #Seungmin had been waiting for Lee Know's butt to become available for smacking again, so he moves in as soon as an opening presents itself.
Then someone has turned off the gravity(?) so they all start ... wiggling sinuously ... because that's what you do when there's no gravity.
Bang Chan gets back in the shot so he can tackle Lee Know, and then pull him back onto his lap.
Felix has emerged from behind the curtain and gets behind Seungmin to add a couple more wiggly tentacles to Seungmin's space octopus(?).
Then Seungmin snuggles in behind #Changbin.
There's a lot happening in 60 seconds.
:youtube: https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxaHO21BBTyMME9pW--XmAikRdB9V80V2m
#skz #skzLivestream #JeongLix #MinSung #2Min #MinChan #SeungLix #SeungBin #skzExMember #minhohandling #skzLapSitting
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✂️ #I_N tries to escape attention by going beind a curtain, but he can't escape #Felix
Felix grins cheekily at the camera before he disappears.
#Han's been draped over #LeeKnow's butt, and now #BangChan wants to zoom in on Lee Know's pretty face. Han gets out of shot.
It seems that #Seungmin had been waiting for Lee Know's butt to become available for smacking again, so he moves in as soon as an opening presents itself.
Then someone has turned off the gravity(?) so they all start ... wiggling sinuously ... because that's what you do when there's no gravity.
Bang Chan gets back in the shot so he can tackle Lee Know, and then pull him back onto his lap.
Felix has emerged from behind the curtain and gets behind Seungmin to add a couple more wiggly tentacles to Seungmin's space octopus(?).
Then Seungmin snuggles in behind #Changbin.
There's a lot happening in 60 seconds.
:youtube: https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxaHO21BBTyMME9pW--XmAikRdB9V80V2m
#skz #skzLivestream #JeongLix #MinSung #2Min #MinChan #SeungLix #SeungBin #skzExMember #minhohandling #skzLapSitting
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✂️ #JeongChan boyfriends starting the livestream like it's just the two of them ...
... and then #Felix crashes their cute romantic bit 😁
:youtube: https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxuilexMgBZPVfSLlQtvtrVCesIT7SMXfS
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✂️ Boys with no concept of personal space
Another hotel room livestream where most of them are on one bed, misbehaving a bit.
#Changbin lying on his side with #Felix lying behind him and cuddling him, #LeeKnow flopping on his tummy and #Seungmin leaning over to smack his bum, Seungmin flopping on top of Felix and Changbin, #Han flopping on top of Lee Know, #Hyunjin flopping on top of #I_N
:youtube: https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx4PE2o9zKGvxfvvBbt0aN9klehH5onEgK
#skz #skzExMember #skzLivestream #ChangLix #2Min #MinSung #HyunIn #skzInterestingNoises #skzButtTouching
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CW: skz "Spread My Wings" and discussion of skz ex-member
I have watched the #SpreadMyWings performance video a lot of times but haven't really compared it with other versions. So I'm only now noticing some outfit themes that change over time.
* The front of #Changbin's shirt is a black bandana
* Woojin's wearing a black biker jacket (and it's definitely *not* #BangChan's jacket because he hadn't bought it yet)
:youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo8FPXlI3CU
I don't normally think much about Woojin, or talk about him. I don't intend to speculate on why he left skz, or share any of the rumours about it (most of which seem entirely unsubstantiated).
But I'm going to say this: I don't like him. I don't know if I can fully explain why, even to myself.
It's most likely an artifact of the parasocial relationship. I like the 8 remaining skz members so much. It seems pretty apparent that they don't like Woojin, and that there were a lot of bad feelings around him leaving the group.
I don't know if hindsight is 20/20 (of course it always is to some extent) but when I watch older content with Woojin in it, he often seems like an outsider. The other 8 all seemed to bond tightly and care a lot about each other from the start.
Woojin's seen much less than the others in most of the extra content (outside actual performances). When he *is* featured, it feels like he's a work colleague rather than a part of the freaky intense bond that the others have.
(That's a perfectly reasonable relationship to have with people who are one's work colleagues! God knows I'm not constantly draped over *my* work colleagues, attempting to kiss them and smack their bums whenever I get an opportunity.)
Anyway, back to "Spread My Wings" -- I'm a bit fascinated by how #Seungmin ended up being the featured vocalist in this song.
Woojin was probably the better singer at that point, in a technical sense.
But when 3racha decided to create a song that featured the 3 members of the vocal unit, they chose Seungmin to front it instead of Woojin.
(It may have been partly due to the lyrics, which spoke from the perspective of the younger members, and might have seemed odd coming from an older member. But 3racha didn't have to choose *that* theme for the song.)
It must have stung Woojin to be passed over as featured vocalist for the first skz song that was intended to show off their vocals. Especially since Seungmin ate up the opportunity and left no crumbs.
Then, when they performed the song in concert, over a year later, Seungmin got to wear the black leather biker jacket (instead of Woojin).
There's just a hint of Woojin being unnecessary. Like he was already an outsider long before he actually left, and they may as well just give all his stuff to Seungmin.
I don't have to like him to recognise that it would have been a shitty experience for Woojin.
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Oh no I am now on a mission to find more versions of #SpreadMyWings and have noticed more stuff:
* #BangChan wears a black bandana around his neck during the first performance of this song (the 7-member version, from #skzSurvivalShow)
* #Han opens the song instead of #Seungmin ?? somehow I had blanked this from my mind because I always think of this as Seungmin's song
* Seungmin wants us to notice that he is wearing a hoodie with a doggo on it (might even be a wolf?? although that probably wouldn't have had any #SeungChan implications at that point because Bang Chan was more associated with kangaroo than wolf at that point. i think.) #PuppySeungmin ?
* #Changbin is #FlaggingBlackLeft (heavy SM top) !! earliest #skzHankyCode flag that I've discovered so far. but argh i cannot get one good shot of both Changbin and his black bandana because the camera operators and editors don't understand my struggle (also it's not a proper bandana so it's a stretch to call it flagging but eh like that's going to stop me)
:youtube: https://youtu.be/mHpqBFiceWg
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Having a minor meltdown over this 2019 performance of #SpreadMyWings, for multiple reasons.
* today's one of the days on which this is my favourite #skz song, and I haven't seen this performance before, and it's so good
(if I ever get to see them perform this song live in person, i may expire on the spot)
* #Changbin's crucifixion lift at the start, aaaaaaa
* #Seungmin is either wearing #BangChan's favourite leather jacket, or one very similar to it (okay yeah it's a black leather biker jacket and there are a million of them in the world, but Chan's one seemed pretty special to him for a while)
* #I_N's outfit is hella cute, and so is he
* Chan is wearing pants that seem to be made out of a bunch of black bandanas sewn together, and a black bandana as a headband, and I wish to classify this as both #FlaggingBlackLeft (heavy SM top) and #FlaggingRightLeft (heavy SM bottom) just because
:youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKx2u4UkGqo
#skz #skzExMember #skzHankyCode #SeungChan #ChansBikerJacket #KidCarrying
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✂️ #BangChan imitates #Han doing a point move from #MyPace, and Han cries on #Felix about it
:youtube: https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxNIB1PZ8KkqPryQ5wmy0GyBcqTuRDhaiF
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actually this whole thing is top-tier silly flirty boys making cute noises. #Seungmin and #Hyunjin are combining at the back to bother #Han, who loves being bothered.
I *think* a lot of the excited high-pitched shrieks are coming from #BangChan but I'm not 100% certain
:youtube: https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxHbjWXGCTWPaaBcL1Eq3LaxsjeDPR3KCd
#skz #MyPace #skzInterestingNoises #skzExMember #skzPolycule
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✂️ This bit at the start of the My Pace choreo where #LeeKnow and #BangChan are flirtling by means of slap-fighting 🤗
:youtube: https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxcO1HnNmGuzNXnaEGhaWH7-KtzQqw0jjI
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✂️ #ChangLix massage, #BokSeungAh ... something?? #Seungmin and #Felix slap #I_N's leg, anyway.
:youtube: https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxK6loW_mAHYhEES_pWQuDxrf08VhoypPE
#skz #skzIAmYou #skzExMember #Changbin #LixMassageClinic #inhandling
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✂️ #I_N and #Seungmin controlling the rest. #Hyunjin and #Changbin are impressed by sexy I.N.
:youtube: https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxAoZSJEIivgTzTGDg9fRJeMcMT4lwQj-0
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✂️ #LeeKnow requires #Han to carry him
:youtube: https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxUU7hktilVkalAgPTpkIv_005vjMT9l7a
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Does #Seungmin genuinely not give a fuck? I think it must be so.
Somehow I hadn't previously clipped this bit where #BangChan's draped over Seungmin, #Changbin is doing some kind of push-up pose on the edge of the bed like he's training for the Sex Olympics, #Felix is trying to cover as much as possible of what's happening behind him ...
and then Seungmin gleefully and clearly says "Sexy!" (I guess he's reading something from the comments?) and laughs like he is having the best time ever
:youtube: https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxK6197Ina77HJA0b2C7INSEW-TabdkPne
#skz #skzExMember #SeungChan #NaughtyPuppies #skzLivestream #bgs
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Okay so. Maybe I'm. Thinking about writing the fic that should exist but that I cannot find.
So I'm watching the full livestream from the beginning.
And #Seungmin already has a cushion on his lap at the start of the stream.
Suggesting that perhaps the puppy was already a little riled up before the stream started.
Hmm.
:youtube: https://youtu.be/T8K9pETXCQQ
#skz #skzLapCushions #skzLivestream #NaughtyPuppies #skzExMember #SeungChan
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✂️ #Han shows us how to do a sexy dance, #Felix films it from the floor, #I_N handles the boom mic, and #Seungmin throws his shoes
:youtube: https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxmNurPpeM-6YeE_hzlAEWWN3L_EArs5Sm
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#I_N decides he's going to attempt the sexy dancing and heads to the front of the classroom.
#Seungmin isn't going to join him, but then #Han says he'll have to dance on his own if he doesn't come up to join I.N.
Um it's actually a bit sexy when he decides to do it, stands up and strides to the 'stage'. I think the others did not expect that.
But it all goes out the window when the music starts and I.N starts dancing. Seungmin starts dancing too but then cannot keep his composure when faced with those I.N body rolls. The editors can't cope either, and have to pixellate the hip action.
There are some more moves that aren't quite as sexy and don't need to be pixellated, but it's still not what anyone was expecting.
... and then as soon as he finishes, he heads straight for the door and attempts to leave, because it was all too much
:youtube: https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxsfyVwv5-2na5YGfktVCxDl-P46ejuoFO
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#Hyunjin wants to see #I_N do a sexy dance.
But uh-oh #BangChan has loosened up now. He requests the sexy dance that he most wants to see: #Seungmin and #I_N doing a couple sexy dance. (The English subs don't have the word 'sexy' but Channie says it.)
I mean. In my imagination, Christopher greatly enjoys it when his boys get sexy with each other and he's allowed to watch. This has been my headcanon for quite some time.
I have actually seen this episode of Dingo School a while ago (maybe a year ago?) but had forgotten this particular moment. Possibly it's been sitting in my subconscious and influencing my headcanon ever since.
:youtube: https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxMHXUbgmnPFva_-fSpeb7QTxptJVZ6S31
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After #Felix finishes his sexy dance, #Han reminds us that there are two tops of sexy in Australia.
Um.
Translation error?? Should it have been "two *types* of sexy"??
These boys are all very ready for #BangChan to unleash #MaximumChristopher
For #Seungmin's anticipation shot, the editors added a sound effect of a puppy barking.
When the dancing actually starts, they're all yelling, Seungmin and #LeeKnow jump out of their seats with excitement, and #Hyunjin and Felix express their appreciation by throwing their shoes at the 'stage'
Oh hey also Channie is #FlaggingWhiteLeft (likes to masturbate)
:youtube: https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxbh6BjAy_Y8sGmVpAga2EuEyw_rZyOk9u
(Don't expect too much of the dance itself. This is just 2019's Maximum Christopher. He's nowhere near the Maximum Christopher of 2025.)
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After #Felix finishes his sexy dance, #Han reminds us that there are two tops of sexy in Australia.
Um.
Translation error?? Should it have been "two *types* of sexy"??
These boys are all very ready for #BangChan to unleash #MaximumChristopher
For #Seungmin's anticipation shot, the editors added a sound effect of a puppy barking.
When the dancing actually starts, they're all yelling, Seungmin and #LeeKnow jump out of their seats with excitement, and #Hyunjin and Felix express their appreciation by throwing their shoes at the 'stage'
Oh hey also Channie is #FlaggingWhiteLeft (likes to masturbate)
:youtube: https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxbh6BjAy_Y8sGmVpAga2EuEyw_rZyOk9u
(Don't expect too much of the dance itself. This is just 2019's Maximum Christopher. He's nowhere near the Maximum Christopher of 2025.)
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After #Felix finishes his sexy dance, #Han reminds us that there are two tops of sexy in Australia.
Um.
Translation error?? Should it have been "two *types* of sexy"??
These boys are all very ready for #BangChan to unleash #MaximumChristopher
For #Seungmin's anticipation shot, the editors added a sound effect of a puppy barking.
When the dancing actually starts, they're all yelling, Seungmin and #LeeKnow jump out of their seats with excitement, and #Hyunjin and Felix express their appreciation by throwing their shoes at the 'stage'
Oh hey also Channie is #FlaggingWhiteLeft (likes to masturbate)
:youtube: https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxbh6BjAy_Y8sGmVpAga2EuEyw_rZyOk9u
(Don't expect too much of the dance itself. This is just 2019's Maximum Christopher. He's nowhere near the Maximum Christopher of 2025.)
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After #Felix finishes his sexy dance, #Han reminds us that there are two tops of sexy in Australia.
Um.
Translation error?? Should it have been "two *types* of sexy"??
These boys are all very ready for #BangChan to unleash #MaximumChristopher
For #Seungmin's anticipation shot, the editors added a sound effect of a puppy barking.
When the dancing actually starts, they're all yelling, Seungmin and #LeeKnow jump out of their seats with excitement, and #Hyunjin and Felix express their appreciation by throwing their shoes at the 'stage'
Oh hey also Channie is #FlaggingWhiteLeft (likes to masturbate)
:youtube: https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxbh6BjAy_Y8sGmVpAga2EuEyw_rZyOk9u
(Don't expect too much of the dance itself. This is just 2019's Maximum Christopher. He's nowhere near the Maximum Christopher of 2025.)
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After #Felix finishes his sexy dance, #Han reminds us that there are two tops of sexy in Australia.
Um.
Translation error?? Should it have been "two *types* of sexy"??
These boys are all very ready for #BangChan to unleash #MaximumChristopher
For #Seungmin's anticipation shot, the editors added a sound effect of a puppy barking.
When the dancing actually starts, they're all yelling, Seungmin and #LeeKnow jump out of their seats with excitement, and #Hyunjin and Felix express their appreciation by throwing their shoes at the 'stage'
Oh hey also Channie is #FlaggingWhiteLeft (likes to masturbate)
:youtube: https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxbh6BjAy_Y8sGmVpAga2EuEyw_rZyOk9u
(Don't expect too much of the dance itself. This is just 2019's Maximum Christopher. He's nowhere near the Maximum Christopher of 2025.)
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#BangChan #FlaggingBlackLeft (heavy SM top) and #FlaggingWhiteLeft (likes to masturbate) during a performance of #GetCool in 2018.
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#BangChan #FlaggingBlackLeft (heavy SM top) and #FlaggingWhiteLeft (likes to masturbate) during a performance of #GetCool in 2018.
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#BangChan #FlaggingBlackLeft (heavy SM top) and #FlaggingWhiteLeft (likes to masturbate) during a performance of #GetCool in 2018.
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#BangChan #FlaggingBlackLeft (heavy SM top) and #FlaggingWhiteLeft (likes to masturbate) during a performance of #GetCool in 2018.
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#BangChan #FlaggingBlackLeft (heavy SM top) and #FlaggingWhiteLeft (likes to masturbate) during a performance of #GetCool in 2018.
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#Seungmin #District9 focus cam from 2018
He is a *baby* and he looks so confident and happy. Some of the others are clearly shitting themselves with nerves (Jeongin 😭), but not Seungmo.
(I guess he must get nervous *sometimes*?? But if so, I don't know if I've ever seen it, and I don't remember him talking about it.)
:youtube: https://youtu.be/LWiDoq_8W24
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✂️ #Hyunjin attempts to grope a #BangChan tiddy and is repelled
:youtube: https://youtu.be/5oZk79_sWpA
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✂️ #skzRoommates mid-2019
- Bang Chan, Lee Know, Hyunjin, & Seungmin
- Han & I.N
- Woojin, Changbin, & Felix
:youtube: https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx6wsDNn68P2-a4cv_IZOVwNADnSqe01GQ
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A bit of background...
#skzBlue team is #BangChan, #LeeKnow, #Han, #Seungmin
#skzRed team is #Changbin #Hyunjin #Felix #I_N
Parts of the #skzLore may have been hinted at before #Levanter, but the 2 teams of 4 wouldn't have been part of the hinted lore before that, because there was a 9th member.
(I guess it's technically possible that there were hints before Levanter, but if that was the case, then #skzExMember would have been in one of the teams (unbalancing the numbers) or he would have been *excluded* from the teams (which seems like something the rest of skz would never do).)
