#semeiotics — Public Fediverse posts

Any network theory that limits itself to dyadic relations, that is, links between pairs of nodes only, is already so radically reductionist that it is next to useless for understanding complex systems, especially those that involve symbolic processes or sign-using activity.

— #JonnyCache • 15 February 2011
• https://www.facebook.com/JonnyCache/posts/pfbid0kCGmpvUmraMWDdzb7xJnZ8MGhcVxy2F3EQZwVtPZVCfGidNZFckz72CA336GN4zEl

#ComplexSystems #NetworkTheory #Semiotics #Semeiotics
#Peirce #RelationTheory #SignRelations #TriadicRelations

@mikefriedline @mattslocombe @cognition @cogsci @psychology

Q. What exactly is developing?

A. From a highly formal and #Semiotic point of view, what develops is a #SignRelation.

P.S. The basic idea is really as old as #Aristotle, with a few new twists by C.S. #Peirce, who taught #WilliamJames psychology could be an experimental science.

Some background —
• https://www.academia.edu/57812482/Interpretation_as_Action_The_Risk_of_Inquiry

#Semiotics #Semeiotics #SignRelations

@ceperez

Here's a thumbnail sketch of #Peirce's #Semiotics and the first division in the classification of signs, forked from what I wrote for Wikipedia some years ago.

#Semeiotics
• https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2008/07/30/semeiotic/

@ceperez

I'll always be talking about Peircean semiotics here.

Up until 15 or 20 years ago folks observed the distinction between #Peirce's #Semiotics or #Semeiotics and #Saussure's #Semiology, but then some European schools decided the latter term was not sexy enough and they switched. More confusion than fusion ensued. Today we have as much pop semiotics as pop psychology, which is a good when it draws people into the fold but less good when it leaves the field spindled and mutilated.

In the Way of Inquiry • Obstacles 3
• https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2023/01/07/in-the-way-of-inquiry-obstacles-2/

One way to test a supposed knowledge is to try to formulate it in such a way that it can be taught to other people. A related test, harder in some ways but easier in others, is to try to formalize it so completely that even a computer could go through the motions that are supposed to be definitive of its practice.

#Peirce #Inquiry #InquiryIntoInquiry
#Semiotics #Semeiotics #SignRelations

In the Way of Inquiry • Recircus
• https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2023/01/06/in-the-way-of-inquiry-recircus-a/

❝I must lie down where all the ladders start
In the foul rag and bone shop of the heart.❞

— W.B. #Yeats
• https://web.archive.org/web/20200402124816/https://www.web-books.com/Classics/Poetry/Anthology/Yeats/Circus.htm

I have in mind circling back to a point in my project on #InquiryDrivenSystems, namely, the chapter addressing various Obstacles to the Project.

Overview
• https://oeis.org/wiki/Inquiry_Driven_Systems_%E2%80%A2_Overview

Obstacles
• https://oeis.org/wiki/Inquiry_Driven_Systems_%E2%80%A2_Part_5#Obstacles

#Peirce #Inquiry #InquiryIntoInquiry
#Semiotics #Semeiotics #SignRelations

#Semiositis • 1.1
• https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2015/07/10/semiositis-1/

Both types of sign-using systems, #Commerce and #Communication, are prey to the same sort of dysfunction or functional disease — it sets in when users confound signs and objects so severely as to take signs for ends instead of means.

There is a vast literature on this topic, once you think to go looking for it. And it’s a perennial theme in fable and fiction.

#Peirce #Pragmatics #Semiotics #Semeiotics #SignRelations #Triadicity

#Semiositis • 1
• https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2015/07/10/semiositis-1/

There is a deep and pervasive #Analogy between systems of #Commerce and systems of #Communication, turning on their near-universal use of #Symbola (images, media, proxies, signs, symbols, tokens, etc.) to stand for #Pragmata (objects, objective values, the things we really care about, or would really care about if we examined our values in practice thoroughly enough).

#Peirce #Pragmatics #Semiotics #Semeiotics #SignRelations #Triadicity

#ZerothLawOfSemiotics • Discussion 4.1
• https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2022/12/25/zeroth-law-of-semiotics-discussion-4/

[ET:]
Well the truth value can be true or false or something else — akin to \(5+5=12\) being a true statement, if one knows what base it involves, else it may be false. The same for \(4+4=10\) being a true statement, if one knows what base it involves.

[JA:]
Yes, reference is relative to a frame of reference. In #PragmaticSemiotics, frames of reference are called #SignRelations.

#Logic #Peirce #Semiotics #Semeiotics #LiarParadox

#ZerothLawOfSemiotics • Discussion 4
• https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2022/12/25/zeroth-law-of-semiotics-discussion-4/

FB | Pattern Languages for Systemic Transformation
• https://www.facebook.com/groups/125513674232534/posts/5698095106974335
Esteban Trev
• https://www.facebook.com/groups/125513674232534/posts/5698095106974335?comment_id=5701465213303991

[JA:]
A statement \(S_0\) asserts that a statement \(S_1\) is a statement that \(S_1\) is false.

The statement \(S_0\) violates an #Axiom of #Logic, so it doesn’t really matter whether the ostensible statement \(S_1,\) the so-called “#Liar”, really is a statement or has a #TruthValue.

#Peirce #Semiotics #Semeiotics

#Definition and #Determination • #SurveyPage
• https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2020/09/06/survey-of-definition-and-determination-1/

That led me to collect a sample of texts where Peirce and a few other writers discuss the issues of definition and determination. There are copies of those selections at the following sites. (See the above-linked blog page.)

#AI #AdaptiveSystems #IntelligentSystems #InquiryDrivenSystems
#Peirce #Semiotics #Semeiotics #SignRelations #LogicOfScience

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#Definition and #Determination • #SurveyPage
• https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2020/09/06/survey-of-definition-and-determination-1/

Two of the first questions calling for fresh examination were the closely related concepts of definition and determination, not only as #Peirce used them in his #Logic and #Semiotics but as researchers in #ComputerScience, #Cybernetics, #Physics, and #SystemsScience found themselves forced to revisit in later years.

#AI #AdaptiveSystems #IntelligentSystems #InquiryDrivenSystems
#Semeiotics #SignRelations #LogicOfScience

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#Definition and #Determination • #SurveyPage
• https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2020/09/06/survey-of-definition-and-determination-1/

In the early 1990s, “in the middle of life’s journey” as the saying goes, I returned to grad school in a #SystemsEngineering program with the idea of taking a more systems-theoretic approach to my development of Peircean themes, from #Signs and #ScientificInquiry to #Logic and #InformationTheory.

#AI #AdaptiveSystems #IntelligentSystems #InquiryDrivenSystems
#Peirce #Semiotics #Semeiotics #SignRelations #LogicOfScience

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#ZerothLawOfSemiotics • Discussion 3
• https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2022/12/14/zeroth-law-of-semiotics-discussion-3/

My remarks on Facebook regarding the Zeroth Law Of Semiotics and its application to the Liar Paradox prompted Kent Olson to observe, “The liar paradox is a self-referential paradox, yes? I think #Russell answered these”. I added the following comment.

#Logic #Semeiotics #Semiotics #SignRelations
#Peirce #Epimenides #LiarParadox #AllLiarNoParadox

#AllLiarNoParadox
• https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2015/08/01/all-liar-no-paradox/

A statement \(S_0\) asserts that a statement \(S_1\) is a statement that \(S_1\) is false.

The statement \(S_0\) violates an #Axiom of #Logic, so it doesn’t really matter whether the #OstensibleStatement \(S_1,\) the so-called #Liar, really is a statement or has a #TruthValue.

#LogicalAxiom #LawOfLogic #LogicalGraph
#LiarParadox #Epimenides #EpimenidesParadox
#Peirce #Semiotics #Semeiotics #SignRelations

#ZerothLawOfSemiotics
• https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2015/07/30/zeroth-law-of-semiotics/

Meaning is a privilege not a right.
Not all pictures depict.
Not all signs denote.

Never confuse a property of a sign,
just for instance, existence,
with a sign of a property,
for instance, existence.

Taking a property of a sign
for a sign of a property
is the zeroth sign of
nominal thinking
and the first
mistake.

Also Sprach 0*
9 October 2002

#Logic #Semeiotics #Semiotics #SignRelations
#Peirce #Epimenides #LiarParadox #AllLiarNoParadox

#Semiotics, #Semiosis, #SignRelations • #SurveyPage
• https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2022/06/26/survey-of-semiotics-semiosis-sign-relations-3/

This is a Survey of blog and wiki resources on the #TheoryOfSigns, also known as #Semiotic or #Semeiotics, and the actions referred to as #Semiosis which transform #Signs among themselves in relation to their #Objects, all as based on C.S. #Peirce's concept of #TriadicSignRelations.

#Logic #RelationTheory #LogicOfRelatives
#TriadicRelationIrreducibility #Semiositis
#Relations #TriadicRelations #TernaryRelations