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  1. Anarchists hear the same tired arguments over and over again. Without cops people will rob and kill with impunity. Warlords! Adulterated food. If education isn't compulsory kids won't learn anything. Etc. etc. And then there's the argument from traffic laws. Without laws and violent enforcement, the story goes, people will drive dangerously and we'll all suffer.

    But to me traffic laws provide one of the most convincing examples of how anarchism will actually work. Los Angeles, where I live, has four million people and about 9,000 cops. Maybe 7,500 of them actively patrol. There are three shifts, which makes about 2,500 cops on the street. They always ride two to a car here, so at most there are 1,250 patrolling cars at any given time, or about one car per 3,200 people.[1] They mostly pull people over pretextually, which isn't based on how people are driving. Essentially we can drive however we want to and not get traffic tickets.

    And yet the streets aren't chaotic. Far from it. People obey the rules because it's in everyone's interest to obey the rules. We even develop new noncodified rules passed along culturally. For instance we have our own style of left turn that just isn't done most places but everyone who drives here knows it. There's a way of passing left turners on the right on narrow streets that's hard to explain but it's really effective. It doesn't work if the left turner signals too late, and that's a teachable moment and one of the few occasions on which you'll hear a horn, but it's a short beep, not an angry blast. Horns are very rarely used here. The cops aren't necessary and the proof is that they're not doing anything now and everything's working fine.

    Think of how much trust you place in other drivers. That they'll stay in their lanes, that when they wave you on they're not just fucking with you, that when they're signalling they actually mean to turn, etc. [2] None of this has to do with cops. It's the natural human talent for social self-organization at work. It works because everyone is better off if we follow the rules and everyone involved can see that. And if someone doesn't get it a few beeps and angry stares will almost always teach them what they need to know. If the cops didn't interfere with self-organizing because it harms capitalism we'd naturally extend this same system to every social aspect of human life. It's just what we do and traffic laws are a great example of it!

    [1] Yes, the highway patrol works freeways, but at some point they stopped putting people over. It's literally been decades since I saw a car pulled over by the highway patrol.

    [2] There are some exceptions to this but we all know what they are. It's easy enough to see when someone has their blinker on by accident.

    #Anarchism #Anarchy #PoliceAbolition #Traffic #Urbanism

  2. CW: Recent San Diego mass shooting

    Just ran across this article on the perpetrator's history with law enforcement:

    latimes.com/california/story/2

    Edit: should definitely have mentioned in the initial post that the article's insinuation that the perpetrator's autism somehow made the shooting more likely even though it's almost certainly a contraindicator of gun violence is vile slander.

    Makes it absolutely crystal clear that no amount of police will ever save you from a mass shooting, in case Uvalde wasn't enough, and this time the structural factors are clear as day because the police weren't even incompetent:

    1. After being warned about mental health issues, removed guns from the perpetrator's home.
    2. Had previously put perpetrator on involuntary mental health restraint in addition to him having voluntary treatment.

    So basically everyone knew this guy was being radicalized and was likely to commit a mass shooting. What did they do? Forced him into mental health treatment, and thence into ongoing therapy. Wasn't enough in this case but that's basically the best you can expect any hierarchical system to do. They also tried to remove his access to weapons, but again, that wasn't enough. Short of preemptively locking him up or placing him under permanent invasive surveillance for thought crime ahead of time, there's nothing more you can reasonably do in a situation like this, from a policing perspective. The "police" tool is simply insufficient for this job.

    So from an anarchist perspective how *should* this have been prevented?

    1. Targets engage in self-defense. This did happen and far fewer people died because of it. Police tend to suppress this (e.g. preventing parents from entering school in Uvalde).
    2. Shut down the hate sites. Police under the excuse of "free speech" keep these up, in part because plenty of police officers are white supremacists who frequent these sites. Notice that right now free speech does not cover hauling around some anarchist zines in the back of your car, but it somehow does cover running hate forums that encourage mass shootings. Government censorship isn't the way this should go (that's always a bad thing; that's one thing the idea of free speech gets right) but grassroots protest and resistance is needed to take down white supremacist digital spaces.

    There are probably other ways to undermine the structural forces pushing people into mass shootings (like reducing alienation by abolishing capitalism) but these ones are the simpler ones. The larger point is that if you're afraid of police abolition because "Who will stop the mass shooters if we don't have police?" you should first seriously ask the question "Who will stop the mass shooters while we still have police?" because very clearly "the police" is not the correct answer to that.

    #AbolishThePolice #PoliceAbolition #Anarchy

  3. ABOLIRE LA POLIZIA
    La polizia, a parte difendere le classi dirigenti, svolge qualche funzione che possa essere considerata utile alla società ? Un interessante opuscolo realizzato dai movimenti USA ci permette di sviluppare l'argomento, particolarmente attuale in questa fase in
    collegamenti.noblogs.org/post/
    #recensioni #Repressione #ACosaServeLaPolizia #AbolireLaPolizia #DefundThePolice #LaPoliziaServeAQualcosa #PoliceAbolition #PoliticheSecuritarie

  4. Public Assemblies Strengthen Community Resistance to Rising Authoritarianism

    "In this episode of Movement Memos, Caldwell and host Kelly Hayes discuss the power and potential of People’s Movement Assemblies, and how the practice of direct democracy can help us fight fascism."

    truthout.org/audio/public-asse

    #PoliceAbolition #activism #Community #PeoplesMovementAssemblies #DirectDemocracy #AntiFascism

  5. 📣 Spotlight: Anti Police-Terror Project Sacramento

    APTP is a Black-led coalition working to end police terror through direct action, community care, & policy change. Join the fight for justice!

    🔗 Learn more & get involved: radical-guide.com/listing/anti

    #APTPSacramento #TransformativeJustice #PoliceAbolition

  6. I have often been told that I was cynical for believing that laws are made by the ruling class to control the rest of us for their benefit. I've often been told that I'm utopian for believing that we'd be better off without laws and the people that use them to control us. Apparently the non-cynical POV is that laws are made democratically by society for our collective benefit. Apparently the non-utopian POV is that people need to be controlled otherwise we'll harm one another.

    But how cynical to believe that people are just naturally so dangerous that the constant threat of police violence is necessary to stop us from hurting each other. How utopian to believe that the violence of law enforcement can be restrained and directed by mere laws, that pieces of paper can protect us from bullets and clubs. I'm not cynical, I'm not utopian, I'm an anarchist!

    #Anarchism #Abolition #PoliceAbolition #Utopianism

  7. 6 Flock Cameras Smashed In Traverse City, MI

    "On Anishinaabaewaki in so-called Traverse City, Michigan 6 Flock cameras got the crap smashed out of them as vengeance for Flock’s massive contribution to the security state. Quick tips for mapping them in your town: Street-facing Flock cameras always look the same – a roadside black camera body with a solar panel attached above it. If you see one in your town there are absolutely more."

    unsalted.noblogs.org/post/2024

    #PoliceAbolition #Anarchism #Flock #Surveillance #Privacy #DirectAction

  8. LA Metro will vote tomorrow on creating their own police force rather than contracting with LAPD and LASD as they currently do and here's the LA Times editorializing in favor of this absolutely gross plan. This editorial is chock full of lies about safety, declining ridership, etc. Obviously this plan is about harassing the homeless, the poor, and other vulnerable populations, because that's what the cops do now. These people have never ridden a damn bus.

    "While there are legitimate concerns about the cost and logistics of building a police department from scratch, including Metro’s ability to staff up at a time when agencies are struggling to hire officers, contracting for law enforcement service is not working well. It’s time to try a different approach. Metro is facing a doom spiral if it cannot make the system safer and increase ridership. An in-house police force is not a panacea for all the system’s ills, but rather one piece of a broader safety strategy that ensures riders feel comfortable and well served on L.A. public transit."

    #LosAngeles #LAMetro #LAPD #LASD #PublicTransportation #PoliceAbolition #ACAB

    latimes.com/opinion/story/2024

  9. Huge win for LA Students Deserve!! 50 positions to be cut from LAUSD school police and $3.7 million to be allocated to community safety programs!

    studentsdeserve.org/

    #LosAngeles #PoliceAbolition #Abolition #LAUSD #SchoolPolice

  10. The Riders Come Out at Night by @darwinbondgraham and Ali Winston is a highly detailed, highly local recent history of Oakland PD. It's essential reading for abolitionists. So many of the arguments against police abolition are based on abstract ideas about the police that just don't match up with real experience. So many opponents of abolition are deeply invested in theoretical and false ideas of what police do. This book is loaded with reality. It's really good -- I highly recommend it!

    #Abolition #PoliceAbolition #Police #Oakland #California #ACAB

    search.worldcat.org/title/1330

  11. Watch the watchers is a website set up by Stop LAPD Spying where you can look up LAPD officers by name or serial number and see their official headshots. It's incredibly useful for cop watching and other activism and it's one year old today!

    #LAPD #WatchTheWatchers #StopLAPDSpying #LosAngeles #ACAB #Abolition #PoliceAbolition #LosAngeles

    watchthewatchers.net/

  12. Since it came up in another thread I thought I'd post a link to About Face, an anti-war, anti-cop veterans organization.

    ----

    We are Post-9/11 service members and veterans organizing to end a foreign policy of permanent war and the use of military weapons, tactics, and values in communities across the country. As people intimately familiar with the inner workings of the world’s largest military, we use our knowledge and experiences to expose the truth about these conflicts overseas and the growing militarization in the United States.

    #AboutFace #AntiWar #Abolition #PoliceAbolition #ForeverWar

    aboutfaceveterans.org/

  13. Capitalists are lion tamers and the working people they exploit are the lion. Capitalists provide us with food, shelter, education, and other goods, and in return we perform for their profit. Lion tamers feed and shelter their lions for the same reason. Without those needs being met we and the lions would rebel and kill them or else die and not profit our masters.

    Without education, without training, we and the lions wouldn't be of use to them. Capitalists and lion tamers meet the needs of their victims that are expedient for them to meet. In neither case are the interests of their victims a motive. But we're not lions. We can at least potentially figure out what's going on and act on our understanding.

    Lion tamers whip their lions to make them perform and capitalists have the police to keep us in line. By the time they're trained lions only need to see the whip to know what's best for them to do. Without violence or the threat of violence we'd rise up and rebel.

    #Capitalism #Police #ACAB #PoliceAbolition #Abolition #LionTamers

  14. A Report-Back and Call to Action from Madison, Wisconsin

    "On Tuesday February 13th, University of Wisconsin police officers assaulted at least two UW students at a protest against Israeli arms suppliers BAE systems, CAT and General Dynamics at a “career fair” on their campus.
    ...
    We thought people might like to know a little more about [officer] Boardman
    ...
    Adam E Boardman

    address:
    2031 Saint Albert the Great Drive
    Sun Prairie, WI 53590
    work phone number: 608-265-0022
    home phone number: 608-843-4304
    work email: [email protected], [email protected].
    "

    unsalted.noblogs.org/post/2024

    (Photo is of officer Boardman, staring directly at the camera)

    #Madison #Wisconsin #FreePalestine #PoliceAbolition #PoliceViolence

  15. If you want to know the level of extreme violence police are capable of just look at what people will do to avoid it. Homeless people will literally die of exposure on the street in front of a vacant building rather than breaking in and saving themselves. What kind of terroristic threats would it take for you to make that choice? That's what police will do to you.

    #Homelessness #Violence #Abolition #AbolishThePolice #PoliceAbolition #Squatting

  16. Police violence is more than just physical assault, more than just shooting, killing, beating.

    Every day unhoused people die from living on the street. Police stop them from building themselves houses on the hundreds of millions of acres of unused land, from living in the millions of vacant units in the US. This is also police violence.

    Every day millions of people go hungry in the US. Police stop them from eating the millions of tons of wasted food. This is also police violence.

    #ACAB #Abolition #PoliceAbolition #Anarchism

  17. I just watched LA 92, about the uprising after the acquittal of the cops who beat Rodney King. It was excellent and I recommend it. It also got me thinking about anti-abolition rhetoric, which so often relies on the unexamined claim that without the justice system, cops, judges, jails, society would descend into chaos.

    Both '92 and the 1965 Watts rebellion were huge compared to other twentieth century American uprisings, but objectively they were small scale compared to the mad max scenarios predicted by anti-abolitionists. In both cases LAPD was overwhelmed, unable to restore order without a full scale military occupation. Police alone are incapable of preventing civil disorder. There just aren't enough of them.

    Los Angeles isn't occupied by the military to the extent that history shows is required to restore and maintain law and order and yet it's generallly quite peaceful here. People can and do just get along. This day to day calm cooperation is the default. It's certainly not due to the cops because history shows they can't enforce it.

    Not only that but both rebellions were kicked off by police brutality sanctioned and approved by the justice system.* In the case of '92 this was exacerbated by a judge's sentencing Latasha Harlins's killer to probation rather than the recommended ten years incarceration. It's easy to make a case that without cops and courts neither uprising would have happened.

    So the fact that Americans are largely peaceful isn't due to cops and courts while two of the twentieth century's biggest instances of civil disorder were caused by cops and courts and cops and courts were unable to quell them. Tell me again why we need cops and courts?

    ----
    * A jury acquitted the cops who beat King, but it was a judge who changed the venue to Simi Valley, practically guaranteeing this outcome.

    #LosAngeles #Abolition #LA92 #WattsRebellion #PoliceAbolition

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LA_92_

  18. R.I.P George Floyd: An indictment of police
    While it is fairly evident that the size and organisation of a centrally managed police force have no bearing on the level of crime, it is just as pertinent for me to discuss the police in the abstract.
    freedomnews.org.uk/2023/12/18/
    #BlackAnarchism #BlackLivesMatter #GeorgeFloyd #PoliceAbolition

  19. Anarchists don’t have to agree on a best way of doing things or to find single answers to questions about the future. Anarchism won’t come to pass when enough people agree on how to live anarchically but rather when enough people feel the price for any other way of life is too high, too bloody. It’s not a single best way of doing things, it’s what’s left when the cops are gone. It’s what free people can build on that foundation.

    #Anarchism #Anarchy #Abolition #PoliceAbolition #TheAnarchistLibrary

    theanarchistlibrary.org/librar

  20. CW: Despairing and over-the-top rant about trying to talk about why I'm an abolitionist

    Here's a problem I have trying to explain to people why I want to abolish police, abolish prisons. No matter how I phrase things many people hear a moral argument. That police are evil, prisons are evil. But this isn't at all what I mean. In fact seeing the issue that way, as a matter of good and evil, completely obscures the explanation. It brings it into the realm of opinion. It lets people nod their heads and stop listening. Of course people can disagree over things like this!

    Dichotomies like that, good/evil, moral/immoral, work this way to cover up truths about the world that are impossible to face and still go on normally. The two poles of such dichotomies immediately conjure up a continuum between them. If something is evil or immoral it can be made less evil or less immoral and that's some kind of progress. Not accepting this kind of incrementalism makes one a moralist, a perfectionist, an idealist, a purist, someone who can ultimately be ignored, someone they can agree to disagree with, like we all do in order to get along with people with so many matters of opinion. There's no need to listen any more, it's just another extreme theoretical position among all the others.

    Imagine buzzards eating corpses on the road with their heads deep in the guts of a rotting deer. The stench of death, the slimy putrid ooze on their bald heads. It's not evil, it's how they live, but it's not how human beings live. Being seen by other people willingly, joyfully, smearing one's body with corpse juice, reveling in putrefied rotting dead goop, eating gobbets of rotting flesh, would be shameful, inhuman. It's beyond good and evil. It's not the kind of thing that invites accepting, polite disagreement. No one wants to hear that person's explanations about why wallowing in rotten corpses is good, actually. We want to run far away.

    This is what the police are like, what prisons are. They thrive on the bodies of murder victims, they blossom on fields soaked with human blood, rotting corpses. Cops, jailers, their supporters, are willingly swimming in pools of rotten stinking death, joyfully breathing its vapors. This essence is very, very well- hidden inside whitewashed mausoleums by ideologies, social narratives, cultural handshakes, and so on.

    I saw this all of a sudden a few years ago and I can't unsee it, the corpses swinging in the wind hanged by the tens of thousands and left to decay, but it's not so easy to explain to people. It's not a matter of stating the right facts, measuring the right statistics, it's a way of looking at the world. It can't be explained quickly, which in practice means often it can't be explained at all.

    #Abolition #PoliceAbolition #PrisonAbolition #WhitedSepulchres #BeyondGoodAndEvil

  21. Stop Cop City call to action November 13!

    As always I'm happy to send some of these stickers for free to anyone, just drop your address in my DMs or send to email address in my profile.

    Also taking bulk orders through Etsy if you want a lot or just want to kick in some money to cover costs.

    #StopCopCity #DefendTheAtlantaForest #Abolition #PoliceAbolition #ACAB #Distroism

    angelcityab.etsy.com

    atlpresscollective.com/2023/09

  22. I’m about halfway through watching this #VideoEssay and… yeah.

    (F.D Signifier is a good YouTuber you should watch his stuff)

    youtu.be/SyEwOxp_Iyw?si=TTFpO5 #YouTube #Police #FuckThePolice #PoliceAbolition

  23. Una gran parte del debate sobre la abolición de la policía se refiere a las respuestas no policiales a la delincuencia violenta, pero la mayor parte del trabajo policial no está relacionado con la delincuencia violenta. La mayor parte, tal vez todo, es de naturaleza económica – diseñado para evitar que los trabajadores utilicen la propiedad productiva para satisfacer sus propias necesidades directamente – para mantener los bienes comunes cerrados. Este trabajo significa que la policía está inextricablemente integrada en la economía de maneras sorprendentes que en gran medida no se discuten en el contexto de la abolición, lo que desencadenaría cambios monumentales, casi inimaginables en la forma en que nosotros, como sociedad, satisfacemos nuestras necesidades humanas a través del trabajo. Es probable que el fin de la policía signifique el fin del capitalismo, lo que sugiere que no será fácil de conseguir dada la magnitud de lo que está en juego.

    #Anarchism #Anarchy #Abolition #PoliceAbolition #Anarquismo #Abolición

    federacionanarquista.net/el-fi

  24. Even if abolitionists came up with pragmatic and convincing answers to every possible question about handling violence without police, and I have no doubt that they can, will, and mostly already have done so, they’ll never convince anyone that capitalism can survive abolition. It cannot. I don’t know how to get rid of the police – if I did they’d already be gone. But I think the stakes are too high, the very survival of capitalism itself, for the police to be abolished because the arguments are sound, because it’s the right thing to do, because enough people want it to happen. Abolition will be a revolution. It will take a revolution to make it happen.

    #Anarchy #Anarchism #Abolition #PoliceAbolition #TheAnarchistLibrary #ACAB

    theanarchistlibrary.org/librar

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