#peertopeer — Public Fediverse posts

Lately I've had a few good posts about why #systems are failing and missing out the humans themselves. A few post titles are below and short points first.

TLDR:
➡️ User-to-User interaction and progress needed on any network else people stay weak
➡️ personal contact / match-making of some kind needed by individuals and dedicated ppl
➡️ encouraging closer relativity / mutuality and from that projects naturally...
➡️ mutual growing people is essential for wider society, skills and mindset
➡️ not just growing machines!
(that is the way to Matrix!)

Titles and links below:

1 ➡️ #Social systems / #p2p fails when the #users themselves are not regularly doing the #trust work #peertopeer and constructively themselves not building that - just consuming media or just on the #Trump hashtag while leaders steal our #future.

Having "system" is not enough We need people or events to get together others together much like online seminars, circles or conferences help 'push' people together or at least see mutuality more clearly.

📋 Post: https://qoto.org/@freeschool/113823713534235778

2 ➡️ Real work is done ON the users and admin themselves (people change).

It's also NOT about expanding #google on everything or using #BigTech to expand without much mindset change - we need more non-#AWS stuff knowing later that US space is a big #problem / #compromised.

The people-to-people work is doing better stuff than just 'machines' as the main work, coding re-coding the same shit while people stay behind.

Communication daily rather than #massstorage #McDonalds... :amazon: :aws: :google:

📋 Post: https://qoto.org/@freeschool/113823094138379891

3 ➡️ Up to us not waiting for leaders or others forever...
Who's ready to build and build with trust? We need to work with those that can actually start and increase, and respond to reason better. Not waiting for history to repeat itself.

📋 Post: https://qoto.org/@freeschool/113822893619105510

These post are so deliciously close to the Holy Grail of togetherness or solving things... saying what needs doing and growing people is the way forward.
Others growing others mean:
#informal apprenticeship /
#better #examples of each other etc.

But also practically giving ourselves more hints what to do each day or with each other (2 main branches) rather than default "job" and statesmen and middle-people in between who ultimately ruin / misuse it all.

My experience is that even fans or mutual appreciators don't seem to be able to get past a certain level and currently paranoia or "I'm busy" excuses happens (until people see how they can use others) but overall it's about how we all work for each other by building each other up and eventually doing more, especially as all the while communication improves (#1 solution to many things I think).

It's about motivation and enjoyment to from that and then suddenly people are not as busy because they make it part of their life. :thumbsup_hmn_h2:

As usual I write more which I believe Freemo helps shorten for people.

I see the potential from other admins (who generally are more clever / multi-talented / able to multi-task) and users (who can
rrbe better or are clever in-the-waiting) to not miss the obvious point of social improvement but being / living in more of a two-way action and more 'manually' and deliberately doing it each day - it's not any system

Beyond messaging, Automatic things systems cannot do what human need after ability to contact and see each other's profile and work.

So even if it's looking a 1 profile a week more closely and trying to work with them / help or having a broader spectrum of open-access with other... Then slowly but surely real work (people change) happens.

From #KeyboardWarriors to #Techies to #Carers all people are already doing something we might want to be part of or integrate / bridge together - and as a mix of people we're superior to just floating individual having mostly non-dedicated parts of life and one-way / one-message interaction as a way to get away from outside life that I think all this post helps get better inside and out.

"Improving user-to-user interaction" is the main work.

We can do as a main part of 'working' socially which traditionally isn't what today's #Capitalist "jobs" do..

(because "jobs" are more narrow fields / definitions / contracts of work towards profit mainly and at the cost of everything else almost along the way - including emptying the human they use like a battery at the end).

Deliberately-socially messaging has benefits which I think people themselves/admins are not doing because others are not doing it (and once people do it I believe they will or can be tested!). I believe people love to see progress in themselves and others and doing it gives others the power / potential to help fix things instead of stay victim (which is what you see a lot of posts about, powerless).

Everything in their life can be fixed but has to come from this slowly but surely approach while improving friendship or respect (even from afar, lower level to high and vice-versa).

The people work is social change and like human resources we have it largely unused online as I see it. So while it's not for everyone here
THERE IS PLENTY OF PEOPLE

and from those 'peer-to-peer- type post titles mentioned at the start I'd like to ask #Freemo about this more as I see him as a potential Captain of the football team because basically he's solid enough already which we all need as leader or moderator and so often on the mark.

He has a sense of morality when even if you wouldn't agree you'd thank him for being far clearer, less emotionally capsizing, and more transparent than the other 'leaders' we see currently everywhere.

So #Freemo does seem to do this work often anyway even if it's a small way and I feel people leave better from conversation and do come back again too (supply and demand!...) so why not this as a part-time thing or helping me to do it with his advice?

Points welcome even if it seems too dreamy... it seems totally doable even if slow-burn...

Cheers #Freemo and here's to you in general! :wine:

And I know you have #CleverThis - this is not ignoring that, but a I think you also need a non-company version as "Ask Freemo" / "Free School" (#AskFreemo / #FreeSchool) as not everyone likes to play that #state games of first jumping into a company but can contribute or get there eventually from other safer or less embedded ways...

Better than us spending too much time on hashtags watching #musk #trump etc getting sucked into their attention and spreading their shit words instead of good ones...

Ok that's it - just sending for now, with your help will re-edit / shorten if you can guide a bit / re-say it / cut it down (even if not totally doing it now - just helps me find more meaning and people who obvious see other people as the main 'problem' to solve / improve #mutually from fault of bad people but also the good not working on making something for good in *this* people-to-people way...

Lately I've had a few good posts about why #systems are failing and missing out the humans themselves. A few post titles are below and short points first.

TLDR:
➡️ User-to-User interaction and progress needed on any network else people stay weak
➡️ personal contact / match-making of some kind needed by individuals and dedicated ppl
➡️ encouraging closer relativity / mutuality and from that projects naturally...
➡️ mutual growing people is essential for wider society, skills and mindset
➡️ not just growing machines!
(that is the way to Matrix!)

Titles and links below:

1 ➡️ #Social systems / #p2p fails when the #users themselves are not regularly doing the #trust work #peertopeer and constructively themselves not building that - just consuming media or just on the #Trump hashtag while leaders steal our #future.

Having "system" is not enough We need people or events to get together others together much like online seminars, circles or conferences help 'push' people together or at least see mutuality more clearly.

📋 Post: https://qoto.org/@freeschool/113823713534235778

2 ➡️ Real work is done ON the users and admin themselves (people change).

It's also NOT about expanding #google on everything or using #BigTech to expand without much mindset change - we need more non-#AWS stuff knowing later that US space is a big #problem / #compromised.

The people-to-people work is doing better stuff than just 'machines' as the main work, coding re-coding the same shit while people stay behind.

Communication daily rather than #massstorage #McDonalds... :amazon: :aws: :google:

📋 Post: https://qoto.org/@freeschool/113823094138379891

3 ➡️ Up to us not waiting for leaders or others forever...
Who's ready to build and build with trust? We need to work with those that can actually start and increase, and respond to reason better. Not waiting for history to repeat itself.

📋 Post: https://qoto.org/@freeschool/113822893619105510

These post are so deliciously close to the Holy Grail of togetherness or solving things... saying what needs doing and growing people is the way forward.
Others growing others mean:
#informal apprenticeship /
#better #examples of each other etc.

But also practically giving ourselves more hints what to do each day or with each other (2 main branches) rather than default "job" and statesmen and middle-people in between who ultimately ruin / misuse it all.

My experience is that even fans or mutual appreciators don't seem to be able to get past a certain level and currently paranoia or "I'm busy" excuses happens (until people see how they can use others) but overall it's about how we all work for each other by building each other up and eventually doing more, especially as all the while communication improves (#1 solution to many things I think).

It's about motivation and enjoyment to from that and then suddenly people are not as busy because they make it part of their life. :thumbsup_hmn_h2:

As usual I write more which I believe Freemo helps shorten for people.

I see the potential from other admins (who generally are more clever / multi-talented / able to multi-task) and users (who can
rrbe better or are clever in-the-waiting) to not miss the obvious point of social improvement but being / living in more of a two-way action and more 'manually' and deliberately doing it each day - it's not any system

Beyond messaging, Automatic things systems cannot do what human need after ability to contact and see each other's profile and work.

So even if it's looking a 1 profile a week more closely and trying to work with them / help or having a broader spectrum of open-access with other... Then slowly but surely real work (people change) happens.

From #KeyboardWarriors to #Techies to #Carers all people are already doing something we might want to be part of or integrate / bridge together - and as a mix of people we're superior to just floating individual having mostly non-dedicated parts of life and one-way / one-message interaction as a way to get away from outside life that I think all this post helps get better inside and out.

"Improving user-to-user interaction" is the main work.

We can do as a main part of 'working' socially which traditionally isn't what today's #Capitalist "jobs" do..

(because "jobs" are more narrow fields / definitions / contracts of work towards profit mainly and at the cost of everything else almost along the way - including emptying the human they use like a battery at the end).

Deliberately-socially messaging has benefits which I think people themselves/admins are not doing because others are not doing it (and once people do it I believe they will or can be tested!). I believe people love to see progress in themselves and others and doing it gives others the power / potential to help fix things instead of stay victim (which is what you see a lot of posts about, powerless).

Everything in their life can be fixed but has to come from this slowly but surely approach while improving friendship or respect (even from afar, lower level to high and vice-versa).

The people work is social change and like human resources we have it largely unused online as I see it. So while it's not for everyone here
THERE IS PLENTY OF PEOPLE

and from those 'peer-to-peer- type post titles mentioned at the start I'd like to ask #Freemo about this more as I see him as a potential Captain of the football team because basically he's solid enough already which we all need as leader or moderator and so often on the mark.

He has a sense of morality when even if you wouldn't agree you'd thank him for being far clearer, less emotionally capsizing, and more transparent than the other 'leaders' we see currently everywhere.

So #Freemo does seem to do this work often anyway even if it's a small way and I feel people leave better from conversation and do come back again too (supply and demand!...) so why not this as a part-time thing or helping me to do it with his advice?

Points welcome even if it seems too dreamy... it seems totally doable even if slow-burn...

Cheers #Freemo and here's to you in general! :wine:

And I know you have #CleverThis - this is not ignoring that, but a I think you also need a non-company version as "Ask Freemo" / "Free School" (#AskFreemo / #FreeSchool) as not everyone likes to play that #state games of first jumping into a company but can contribute or get there eventually from other safer or less embedded ways...

Better than us spending too much time on hashtags watching #musk #trump etc getting sucked into their attention and spreading their shit words instead of good ones...

Ok that's it - just sending for now, with your help will re-edit / shorten if you can guide a bit / re-say it / cut it down (even if not totally doing it now - just helps me find more meaning and people who obvious see other people as the main 'problem' to solve / improve #mutually from fault of bad people but also the good not working on making something for good in *this* people-to-people way...

Lately I've had a few good posts about why #systems are failing and missing out the humans themselves.

TLDR:
➡️ User-to-User interaction needed on any network
➡️ personal contact / match-making of some kind needed
➡️ encouraging closer social relativity...
➡️ mutual growing people is essential
➡️ not just growing machines!

Links to posts - Titles below:

1 ➡️ Social systems / #p2p fails when the #users themselves are not regularly doing the #peertopeer constructively themselves )not just on the #Trump hashtag).

Having "system" is not enough Still by nature we need people or events to get together others together like at a seminar or conference.

📋 Post: https://qoto.org/@freeschool/113823713534235778

2 ➡️ Real work is done ON the users and admin.

It's also NOT about #google everything or #BigTech expansion - we need more non-#AWS stuff knowing later that US space is a big problem

To maximise the people-to-people work is doing better stuff on machines.

#p2p = communication daily rather than #massstorage #McDonalds... :amazon: :aws: :google:

📋 Post: https://qoto.org/@freeschool/113823094138379891

3 ➡️ Up to us instead of waiting for others forever... who's ready to build trust? We need to work with those that can actually respond and reason here better already, rather than wait for others? v

https://qoto.org/@freeschool/113822893619105510

These post are so deliciously close to the Holy Grail of togetherness or solving things... saying what needs doing and growing people is the way forward.
Others growing others mean:
#informal apprenticeship /
#better #examples of each other etc.

But also practically giving ourselves more hints what to do each day or with each other (2 main branches) rather than default "job" and statesmen and middle-people in between who ultimately ruin / misuse it all.

My experience is that even fans or mutual appreciators don't seem to be able to get past a certain level and currently paranoia or "I'm busy" excuses happens (until people see how they can use others) but overall it's about how we all work for each other by building each other up and eventually doing more, especially as all the while communication improves (#1 solution to many things I think).

It's about motivation and enjoyment to from that and then suddenly people are not as busy because they make it part of their life. :thumbsup_hmn_h2:

As usual I write more which I believe Freemo helps shorten for people.

I see the potential from other admins (who generally are more clever / multi-talented / able to multi-task) and users (who can
rrbe better or are clever in-the-waiting) to not miss the obvious point of social improvement but being / living in more of a two-way action and more 'manually' and deliberately doing it each day - it's not any system

Beyond messaging, Automatic things systems cannot do what human need after ability to contact and see each other's profile and work.

So even if it's looking a 1 profile a week more closely and trying to work with them / help or having a broader spectrum of open-access with other... Then slowly but surely real work (people change) happens.

From #KeyboardWarriors to #Techies to #Carers all people are already doing something we might want to be part of or integrate / bridge together - and as a mix of people we're superior to just floating individual having mostly non-dedicated parts of life and one-way / one-message interaction as a way to get away from outside life that I think all this post helps get better inside and out.

"Improving user-to-user interaction" is the main work.

We can do as a main part of 'working' socially which traditionally isn't what today's #Capitalist "jobs" do..

(because "jobs" are more narrow fields / definitions / contracts of work towards profit mainly and at the cost of everything else almost along the way - including emptying the human they use like a battery at the end).

Deliberately-socially messaging has benefits which I think people themselves/admins are not doing because others are not doing it (and once people do it I believe they will or can be tested!). I believe people love to see progress in themselves and others and doing it gives others the power / potential to help fix things instead of stay victim (which is what you see a lot of posts about, powerless).

Everything in their life can be fixed but has to come from this slowly but surely approach while improving friendship or respect (even from afar, lower level to high and vice-versa).

The people work is social change and like human resources we have it largely unused online as I see it. So while it's not for everyone here
THERE IS PLENTY OF PEOPLE

and from those 'peer-to-peer- type post titles mentioned at the start I'd like to ask @freemo about this more as I see him as a potential Captain of the football team because basically he's solid enough already which we all need as leader or moderator and so often on the mark.

He has a sense of morality when even if you wouldn't agree you'd thank him for being far clearer, less emotionally capsizing, and more transparent than the other 'leaders' we see currently everywhere.

So Freemo does seem to do this work often anyway even if it's a small way and I feel people leave better from conversation and do come back again too (supply and demand!...) so why not this as a part-time thing or helping me to do it with his advice?

Points welcome even if it seems too dreamy... it seems totally doable even if slow-burn...

Cheers Freemo and here's to you in general! :wine:

And I know you have #CleverThis - this is not ignoring that, but a I think you also need a non-company version as "Ask Freemo" / "Free School" (#AskFreemo / #FreeSchool) as not everyone likes to play that #state games of first jumping into a company but can contribute or get there eventually from other safer or less embedded ways...

Better than us spending too much time on hashtags watching #musk #trump etc getting sucked into their attention and spreading their shit words instead of good ones...

Ok that's it - just sending for now, with your help will re-edit / shorten if you can guide a bit / re-say it / cut it down (even if not totally doing it now - just helps me find more meaning and people who obvious see other people as the main 'problem' to solve / improve #mutually from fault of bad people but also the good not working on making something for good in *this* people-to-people way...

Lately I've had a few good posts hinting to why #systems are failing / missing out humans or what human systems need and are not getting. Basically to encourage each other and even hand-hold more (would have made me test Linux a lot more earlier for example or correct myself in my wrong thoughts previously) so more respect and interaction happens for those that are able and for others to be encouraged and do something more than Trump hating for example.... a few titles are below I thought were closer to what is 100% in short:

1 ➡️ #p2p fails when #users are not doing #peertopeer themselves (having system is not enough)

https://qoto.org/@freeschool/113823713534235778

2 ➡️ Real work is the users and admin / and non-#google non-#AWS stuff... maximising the people-to-people work so #p2p = communication daily rather than mass-storage #McDonalds...

https://qoto.org/@freeschool/113823094138379891

3 ➡️ Up to us instead of waiting for others forever... who's ready to build trust? We need to work with those that can actually respond and reason here better already, rather than wait for others?

https://qoto.org/@freeschool/113822893619105510

These are so deliciously close to saying what needs doing so more care and growing people (others growing others / #informal apprenticeship / better examples of each other) happens.

But also practically giving ourselves more hints what to do each day or with each other (2 main branches) rather than default "job" and statesmen and middle-people in between who ultimately ruin / misuse it all.

My experience is that even fans or mutual appreciators don't seem to be able to get past a certain level and currently paranoia or "I'm busy" excuses happens (until people see how they can use others) but overall it's about how we all work for each other by building each other up and eventually doing more, especially as all the while communication improves (#1 solution to many things I think).

It's about motivation and enjoyment to from that and then suddenly people are not as busy because they make it part of their life. :thumbsup_hmn_h2:

As usual I write more which I believe Freemo helps shorten for people.

I see the potential from admins (who generally are more clever / multi-talented / able to multi-task) and users (who can be better or are clever in-the-waiting) to not miss the obvious point of social improvement but being / living in more of a two-way action and more 'manually' and deliberately doing it each day - it's not any system beyond messaging almost - automatic things systems cannot do what human need after ability to contact and see each other's profile and work.

So even if it's looking a 1 profile a week more closely and trying to work with them / help or having a broader spectrum of open-access with other... Then slowly but surely real work (people change) happens.

From #KeyboardWarriors to #Techies to #Carers all people are already doing something we might want to be part of or integrate / bridge together - and as a mix of people we're superior to just floating individual having mostly non-dedicated parts of life and one-way / one-message interaction as a way to get away from outside life that I think all this post helps get better inside and out.

"Improving user-to-user interaction" is the main work.

We can do as a main part of 'working' socially which traditionally isn't what today's #Capitalist "jobs" do..

(because "jobs" are more narrow fields / defintions / contracts of work towards profit mainly and at the cost of everything else almost along the way - including emptying the human they use like a battery at the end).

Deliberately-socially messaging has benefits which I think people themselves/admins are not doing because others are not doing it (and once people do it I believe they will or can be tested!). I believe people love to see progress in themselves and others and doing it gives others the power / potential to help fix things instead of stay victim (which is what you see a lot of posts about, powerless).

Everything in their life can be fixed but has to come from this slowly but surely approach while improving friendship or respect (even from afar, lower level to high and vice-versa).

The people work is social change and like human resources we have it largely unused online as I see it. So while it's not for everyone here
THERE IS PLENTY OF PEOPLE

and from those 'peer-to-peer- type post titles mentioned at the start I'd like to ask @freemo about this more as I see him as a potential Captain of the football team because basically he's solid enough already which we all need as leader or moderator and so often on the mark.

He has a sense of morality when even if you wouldn't agree you'd thank him for being far clearer, less emotionally capsizing, and more transparent than the other 'leaders' we see currently everywhere.

So Freemo does seem to do this work often anyway even if it's a small way and I feel people leave better from conversation and do come back again too (supply and demand!...) so why not this as a part-time thing or helping me to do it with his advice?

Points welcome even if it seems too dreamy... it seems totally doable even if slow-burn...

Cheers Freemo and here's to you in general! :wine:

And I know you have #CleverThis - this is not ignoring that, but a I think you also need a non-company version as "Ask Freemo" / "Free School" (#AskFreemo / #FreeSchool) as not everyone likes to play that #state games of first jumping into a company but can contribute or get there eventually from other safer or less embedded ways...

Better than us spending too much time on hashtags watching #musk #trump etc getting sucked into their attention and spreading their shit words instead of good ones...

Ok that's it - just sending for now, with your help will re-edit / shorten if you can guide a bit / re-say it / cut it down (even if not totally doing it now - just helps me find more meaning and people who obvious see other people as the main 'problem' to solve / improve #mutually from fault of bad people but also the good not working on making something for good in *this* people-to-people way...

Lately I've had a few good posts hinting to why #systems are failing / missing out humans or what human systems need and are not getting. Basically to encourage each other and even hand-hold more (would have made me test Linux a lot more earlier for example or correct myself in my wrong thoughts previously) so more respect and interaction happens for those that are able and for others to be encouraged and do something more than Trump hating for example.... a few titles are below I thought were closer to what is 100% in short:

1 ➡️ #p2p fails when #users are not doing #peertopeer themselves (having system is not enough)

https://qoto.org/@freeschool/113823713534235778

2 ➡️ Real work is the users and admin / and non-#google non-#AWS stuff... maximising the people-to-people work so #p2p = communication daily rather than mass-storage #McDonalds...

https://qoto.org/@freeschool/113823094138379891

3 ➡️ Up to us instead of waiting for others forever... who's ready to build trust? We need to work with those that can actually respond and reason here better already, rather than wait for others?

https://qoto.org/@freeschool/113822893619105510

These are so deliciously close to saying what needs doing so more care and growing people (others growing others / #informal apprenticeship / better examples of each other) happens.

But also practically giving ourselves more hints what to do each day or with each other (2 main branches) rather than default "job" and statesmen and middle-people in between who ultimately ruin / misuse it all.

My experience is that even fans or mutual appreciators don't seem to be able to get past a certain level and currently paranoia or "I'm busy" excuses happens (until people see how they can use others) but overall it's about how we all work for each other by building each other up and eventually doing more, especially as all the while communication improves (#1 solution to many things I think).

It's about motivation and enjoyment to from that and then suddenly people are not as busy because they make it part of their life. :thumbsup_hmn_h2:

As usual I write more which I believe Freemo helps shorten for people.

I see the potential from admins (who generally are more clever / multi-talented / able to multi-task) and users (who can be better or are clever in-the-waiting) to not miss the obvious point of social improvement but being / living in more of a two-way action and more 'manually' and deliberately doing it each day - it's not any system beyond messaging almost - automatic things systems cannot do what human need after ability to contact and see each other's profile and work.

So even if it's looking a 1 profile a week more closely and trying to work with them / help or having a broader spectrum of open-access with other... Then slowly but surely real work (people change) happens.

From #KeyboardWarriors to #Techies to #Carers all people are already doing something we might want to be part of or integrate / bridge together - and as a mix of people we're superior to just floating individual having mostly non-dedicated parts of life and one-way / one-message interaction as a way to get away from outside life that I think all this post helps get better inside and out.

"Improving user-to-user interaction" is the main work.

We can do as a main part of 'working' socially which traditionally isn't what today's #Capitalist "jobs" do..

(because "jobs" are more narrow fields / defintions / contracts of work towards profit mainly and at the cost of everything else almost along the way - including emptying the human they use like a battery at the end).

Deliberately-socially messaging has benefits which I think people themselves/admins are not doing because others are not doing it (and once people do it I believe they will or can be tested!). I believe people love to see progress in themselves and others and doing it gives others the power / potential to help fix things instead of stay victim (which is what you see a lot of posts about, powerless).

Everything in their life can be fixed but has to come from this slowly but surely approach while improving friendship or respect (even from afar, lower level to high and vice-versa).

The people work is social change and like human resources we have it largely unused online as I see it. So while it's not for everyone here
THERE IS PLENTY OF PEOPLE

and from those 'peer-to-peer- type post titles mentioned at the start I'd like to ask @freemo about this more as I see him as a potential Captain of the football team because basically he's solid enough already which we all need as leader or moderator and so often on the mark.

He has a sense of morality when even if you wouldn't agree you'd thank him for being far clearer, less emotionally capsizing, and more transparent than the other 'leaders' we see currently everywhere.

So Freemo does seem to do this work often anyway even if it's a small way and I feel people leave better from conversation and do come back again too (supply and demand!...) so why not this as a part-time thing or helping me to do it with his advice?

Points welcome even if it seems too dreamy... it seems totally doable even if slow-burn...

Cheers Freemo and here's to you in general! :wine:

And I know you have #CleverThis - this is not ignoring that, but a I think you also need a non-company version as "Ask Freemo" / "Free School" (#AskFreemo / #FreeSchool) as not everyone likes to play that #state games of first jumping into a company but can contribute or get there eventually from other safer or less embedded ways...

Better than us spending too much time on hashtags watching #musk #trump etc getting sucked into their attention and spreading their shit words instead of good ones...

Ok that's it - just sending for now, with your help will re-edit / shorten if you can guide a bit / re-say it / cut it down (even if not totally doing it now - just helps me find more meaning and people who obvious see other people as the main 'problem' to solve / improve #mutually from fault of bad people but also the good not working on making something for good in *this* people-to-people way...