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@tanketom Eg òg! Og i dag har eg heilt sletta Schibsted-kontoen min. Eg hadde i det lengste eit lite håp om at #Schibsted ville snu og oppføra seg skikkeleg, men når dei vel å *ikkje* gjera det, mistar dei meg heilt som kunde.
#forbrukarmakt #forbrukermakt #PayOrOkay #ConsentOrPay #PayOrConsent #personvern #allheimen #norsktut
På siden til Bergens Tidende er endring av abonnementsvilkår fremdeles et ikke tema.
Her viser det seg hvor viktig statlige uavhengige medier er. Alternativet er USA, der nesten alle store medier nå er eid av oligarker.
https://www.nrk.no/rogaland/kritisk-til-schibsteds-nye-_betal-eller-samtykk_-modell-1.17866076
#schibsted #bergenstidene #gdpr #payorokay #payorconsent #noyb #datatilsynet #nrk
Eg har i mange år abonnert på blant anna Bergens Tidende (#BT), og har vore godt fornøgd med det. Men i går sende dei meg e-post om at dei no tvingar oss abonnentar over på ei «betal eller bli spora»-ordning («Schibsted annonsevalg»). Dette er ei type ordning som #Forbrukarrådet skildrar som «veldig skadelig og ulovlig»: https://www.abcnyheter.no/nyheter/schibsted-skal-ta-betalt-for-a-ikke-hente-inn-personopplysninger-skadelig-og-ulovlig/1509422
Min «måte å tilpassa meg dette landskapet på, på ein transparent og ansvarleg måte» (for å bruka deira eigen ordlyd i grunngjevinga for innføringa av ordninga), er derfor å seia opp abonnementet!
Oppfordrar alle andre abonnentar til å gjera det same! (Same ordning vert innført for #Aftenposten, Stavanger Aftenblad, #VG, #E24 og Dine Penger og podkastappen #Podme.)
Så i staden for at eg må betala nærare 500 kroner i året for å ikkje dela personopplysningar, sparar eg nærare 5 000 kroner i abonnementsutgifter (hadde «Full tilgang»-abonnement). Forslag til kva eg eg skal bruka dei sparte pengane på?
#allheimen #norsktut #PayOrConsent #PayOrOkay #Schibsted #forbrukerrådet #personvern
Crazy idea: building a service that lets people sell their data for profit.
Link your e-mail or social media account, fill in an account number for payout and hit the button. The service will automatically extract history and personal info from the services, and sell it to advertisers and data brokers. The service retains 10-20% and pays the rest out to the user.
The EU ruled that #payOrOkay is legal, so this is too, right?
"Pay or Okay user study. The law requires that users have a “genuine or free choice”. To find out if this right is respected, noyb has commissioned an academic study about user choices. Even though participants did not need to make any real payments during the study, the results are still clear:
- When asked openly, only about 2 out 10 people agree with companies collecting and analysing their data.
- However, when they face “pay” and a “consent” option, about 9 out of 10 people chose “consent”. The high consent rate seems to be caused by the lack of a reasonable alternative.
- Finally, when there’s a “pay”, a “consent” and a “advertising, but no tracking” option, most users switch to the latter. 7 out of 10 people then choose the “advertising, but no tracking” option.
This shows that the “third option” (as suggested by the EDPB) is supported by objective evidence: Users accept funding of websites via advertising – but not online tracking.
No difference between different sites. The study also shows that users do not behave differently depending on whether they are on large social networks, journalistic pages or other websites. Therefore, there is no factual basis to treat these websites differently and, e.g., create different Pay or Okay guidelines for media websites than for social media.
“Privacy fee” vs “paying for a service”. With Pay or Okay, users are required to pay a privacy fee if they want to retain their right to online privacy. While website providers can, of course, ask for payment in exchange for access to content or a service they provide (like Netflix for TV shows or Spotify for music), Pay or Okay systems try to charge users for their data protection rights without compensation. Unfortunately, even the French Data Protection Authority confuses this, referencing a survey in a bid to support Pay or Okay."
https://noyb.eu/en/pay-or-okay-study-users-prefer-tracking-free-third-option
#EU #GDPR #DataProtection #Privacy #PayOrOkay #EDPB #AdTracking
@falcennial and that's why NOONE should ever do this!
- I'd rather leave than accept #PayOrOkay and other scummy shite.
I thought 'consent or pay' was effectively unlawful in the EU? I keep seeing it cropping up on websites.
📢 Disappointing news: our #PayOrOkay complaint against t-online.de to the DPA of NRW 🇩🇪 from 2021 remains undecided. When we asked for access to the file, we ended up with 161 partially redacted pages that don‘t mention our case at all.
Ey, @tazgetroete !
Ich hoffe, der Cookie-Banner mit den 617 (!) Partnern und #Darkpattern ist nur ein schlechter Joke! Wenn der bleibt, ist mein #tazzahlich-Beitrag (und ich) wieder weg!
"#Gesundheitskarte: Diese Funktion kann Ihr Leben retten – aber nur, wenn wir davon auch profitieren"
#PayOrOkay #PayOrConsent #GDPR #DSGVO #privacy #privacyMatters #MyPrivacyisNoneOfYourBusiness #CorporateGreed #surveillanceCapitalism #digitalFeudalism #platformCapitalism #predatoryCapitalism #dataCapitalism #BerlinerMorgenpost #MorgenpostPlus
I attended the EDPB event on #PayorOkay models and left deeply concerned. The discussion lacked acknowledgment of data protection as a fundamental right and ignored clear GDPR principles making the model unlawful. Instead, it conflated ads with core services, sidelining fairness and rights. Surveillance ads harm individuals and society, yet their ‘value’ is overstated. We must reclaim the debate: data protection is key to human dignity and a rights-respecting digital future.
Round of applause for 'progress' (no): #Meta, offers the EU a discount on #PayOrOkay and a 'less personalised' ad option—while still processing personal data without consent. Some institutions may cheer this as a win for data protection and competition, but it feels more like a cleverly priced workaround. When will regulators and legislators see through these superficial fixes and demand real compliance and digital rights protections? https://about.fb.com/news/2024/11/facebook-and-instagram-to-offer-subscription-for-no-ads-in-europe/
#FNF24 is getting closer and we are excited! The program is finalized by participants during plenaries, but some of you already indicated what sessions you plan to convene:
we got #AIAct implementation, #ChatControl, #Tracking, #PayOrOkay, #GDPR, #EmergencyAid and using #FOSS for organising #Solidarity action, #FinancialPrivacy, #AgeVerification, #GlobalSouth perspectives and more!
You can still give us a heads-up about your session topic and tech-needs:
https://freedomnotfear.org/2024/convene-a-session
#FreedomNotFear
#OnlineAds 🇪🇺 Is the EU Pushing #Internet Users Towards a #Subscription-Only Future?
"Recent #GDPR guidance from the #EDPB suggests a troubling shift that could drastically alter the free-access models of the internet."
👉 https://project-disco.org/european-union/online-ads-is-the-eu-pushing-internet-users-towards-a-subscription-only-future/ #ConsentOrPay #PayOrOkay
#EDPB's guidance on #ConsentOrPay: "The General Data Protection Regulation (#GDPR) was never designed to dictate #business models, but to ensure fair #data handling across all online services."
➡️ https://project-disco.org/european-union/online-ads-is-the-eu-pushing-internet-users-towards-a-subscription-only-future/ #PayOrOkay #OnlineAdvertising
🔐 "Is the EU going to push everyone towards a #subscription-only model for the #internet in the future?" asks @CCIAeurope's Daniel Friedlaender in @TspBackgroundDi 👇
@jtonline @plausible That is also illegal in the EU → feel free to sue them
#PayOrOkay #PayOrConsent
Ich habe mich heute entschieden, für die @tazgetroete zu zahlen: Kein Werbetracking, kein #PayorOkay, guter Journalismus. Das ist mir was wert.
@natureworks Well, this would be illegal in the EU #PayOrOkay #PayOrConsent
@s_unter Wenn du #PayOrOkay nicht fördern willst, gibt es bestimmt die Möglichkeit, da gemäß #DSGVO gegen zu klagen – also wenn du die Löffel dafür hast
@s_unter Man kann damit diverse Seiten mit #Paywall bzw. #PayOrOkay lesen, indem die Paywall entfernt wird – funktioniert auch bei Zeit Online.
When you pay money for something, then pay monthly fees, pay with your private data, pay with your time being forced to watch ads, then you pay more money for stuff you see in the ads you don't need, but you don't get to own anything and when they don't make enough money with it anymore, it's just gone,...
...they you know you live in capitalism, or - more likely - you just don't realize.
#capitalism #CapitalismAsAService #SurveillanceCapitalism #CloudCapitalism #SubscriptionCapitalism #AsAService #PayOrOkay #StopKillingGames
ICYMI, the suckers at #Meta are now suing the EU's data protection authorities #EDPB for their decision to outlaw the company's #PayOrOkay forced consent scheme. They want the decision annulled plus financial compensation from us as tax payers.
Today, I've seen three online news publications with a cookies pop-up giving two options only: to accept cookies or to pay
Is this new? And is this legal?
(At least two were UK tabloids; don't know about the third, as it's a German title I'm not familiar with. Disclaimer: I don't usually read any of them..!)
💣"“Pay or OK” beim SPIEGEL: noyb verklagt Hamburger Behörde" #PayOrOkay
https://noyb.eu/de/pay-or-ok-der-spiegel-noyb-sues-hamburg-dpa
Consumer authorities join the club of ‘#PayOrOkay is clearly wrong’ and share concerns about the approach’s misleading and aggressive practices. While this is a positive development, we cannot deny there's a risk that too much attention is focused on large platforms. Do we want a two-tiered approach to data protection, where similar practices by other platforms might not receive the same scrutiny and tracking is not necessarily bad? https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_24_3862
#LinkedIn 🚩s on your profile under "interests":
🚩 #Microsoft
🚩 #Google (yeah, they have very talented developers, but still a big #privacy 🚩)
🚩 Meta
🚩 #AWS (#Amazon)
🚩 #AI
🚩 @heiseonline/ @t3n/ #Golem (good tech news for sure, but #PayOrOkay/ #PayOrConsent is illegal #GDPR)
🚩 #Neuralink (#ElonMusk)
#Facebook #MicrosoftRecall #MicrosoftTeams #GoogleMeet #GoogleHangouts #AWS #privacyMatters #surveillanceCapitalism #GenAI #GenerativeAI #digitalFeudalism #corporateSurveillance
🇬🇧After complaints by NOYB, an open letter by 39 MEPs, an EDPB opinion and lots of activism, the Commission now relies on the #DMA to (preliminarily) conclude that Meta's #PayOrOkay data holdup is illegal: an option without tracking is needed, & the consent is not valid!
🇩🇪Nach Beschwerden von NOYB, einem offenen Brief von 39 MdEPs, einer EDPB-Stellungnahme und viel Aktivismus stützt sich die Kommission nun auf den #DMA, um Metas #PayOrOkay-Datenraub vorläufig für illegal zu erklären: eine Nutzung ohne Tracking oder Abo muss möglich sein!
1/3 🎉 The European Commission finds #Meta's #PayOrOkay approach of pushing users into consent violates the Digital Markets Act #DMA.
This (preliminary) decision is a great win & confirms what we've been saying all along: your right to #privacy is not for sale.
Read more from the EC: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_24_3582
@Frederik_Borgesius Interestingly enough is that the result of all the DPIA's for Google in the Netherlands is exactly that schools must accept the Pay-or-okay deal:
https://www.security.nl/posting/848112/Onderwijs+kan+Google+Workspace+alleen+met+betaalde+versie+veilig+gebruiken
Apparently the DMA was not (yet) considered?
#Google #GoogleWorkspace #DMA #education #PayOrOkay #DPIAs #schools #privacy
While many of us are thrilled by the EC's #DMA decision on #PayOrOkay, it's crucial to also address the significant issues tied to the model. This mainly includes concerns about the business practices of the tracking-based advertising industry, which big tech imposes on numerous players across the digital realm. Throughout this mandate, EU institutions must tackle the various harms caused by this model, from #DataProtection to potential infringements on other fundamental rights.
No I don't want to pay for a subscription to read your website without trackers.
How about you give me the options to freely browse your website without trackers or pay me for my data?
#PayOrOkay #PayWall #cookies #trackers #ShittyWeb #SurveillanceCapitalism #privacy #DataJustice
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Tremendo regate mental el de Xataka y Meneame tratando la noticia del rechazo europeo al #PayOrOkay siendo dos grandes exponentes de esta política...