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I still must use Google for some queries. Google is best for me at these kinds of queries:
• Finding products in online stores that ship to Sverige. I try to avoid buying from Amazon.
• Location-specific queries, like plant-based restaurants near me.
• English queries that only have answers in Svenska, like various government regulations.
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I still must use Google for some queries. Google is best for me at these kinds of queries:
• Finding products in online stores that ship to Sverige. I try to avoid buying from Amazon.
• Location-specific queries, like plant-based restaurants near me.
• English queries that only have answers in Svenska, like various government regulations.
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Concluding my experiment with Qwant as my default search engine after a little over a week.
I returned to DuckDuckGo as my default search engine.
In general, Qwant’s results seemed almost as relevant as DDG.
Qwant does not provide quick answers. Queries like “convert 1 USD to EUR”, “convert 200F to C”, and “time in CDT” should just give me an answer.
Qwant does not support !bangs. I use !npm !cargo !w daily.
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Concluding my experiment with Qwant as my default search engine after a little over a week.
I returned to DuckDuckGo as my default search engine.
In general, Qwant’s results seemed almost as relevant as DDG.
Qwant does not provide quick answers. Queries like “convert 1 USD to EUR”, “convert 200F to C”, and “time in CDT” should just give me an answer.
Qwant does not support !bangs. I use !npm !cargo !w daily.
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The NGI Forum 2025 marked a strategic shift for Europe’s internet future, from R&D to deployment. Our wrap-up report is now live!
📌 Key takeaways:
🔹 Digital wallets = public infrastructure
🔹European Open Web Index is live and growing
🔹Open source needs public procurement reform
🔹Projects like Mastodon, Taler & Decidim = scalable, sovereign solutions
📖 Read the report: https://ngi.eu/news/2025/06/27/ngi-forum-2025-marks-a-strategic-shift-from-next-generation-internet-toward-the-open-internet-stack/
#NGIForum25 #DigitalSovereignty #OpenInternet #Web4 #DigitalCommons #NextGenerationInternet #NGI
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The NGI Forum 2025 marked a strategic shift for Europe’s internet future, from R&D to deployment. Our wrap-up report is now live!
📌 Key takeaways:
🔹 Digital wallets = public infrastructure
🔹European Open Web Index is live and growing
🔹Open source needs public procurement reform
🔹Projects like Mastodon, Taler & Decidim = scalable, sovereign solutions
📖 Read the report: https://ngi.eu/news/2025/06/27/ngi-forum-2025-marks-a-strategic-shift-from-next-generation-internet-toward-the-open-internet-stack/
#NGIForum25 #DigitalSovereignty #OpenInternet #Web4 #DigitalCommons #NextGenerationInternet #NGI
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I am experimenting with Qwant as my default search engine for a month after learning more about it at the EU NGI Forum last week.
Like DuckDuckGo, my default it replaces, Qwant uses a mix of Bing infrastructure and its own. Qwant is building its own EU-based web index and search engine in collaboration with Ecosia.
https://www.eucloud.tech/eu-providers/search?ref=activitypub
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I am experimenting with Qwant as my default search engine for a month after learning more about it at the EU NGI Forum last week.
Like DuckDuckGo, my default it replaces, Qwant uses a mix of Bing infrastructure and its own. Qwant is building its own EU-based web index and search engine in collaboration with Ecosia.
https://www.eucloud.tech/eu-providers/search?ref=activitypub
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@wolfgang_oels That’s impressive in such a short amount of time. What are the biggest challenges to increasing that percentage? Index size, results relevancy, results speed?
Is there an equivalent of Google Search Console or Bing Webmaster Tools for the new EUSP index yet?
What could @openwebsearcheu do to be more useful to EUSP’s efforts so they are not duplicated?
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@wolfgang_oels That’s impressive in such a short amount of time. What are the biggest challenges to increasing that percentage? Index size, results relevancy, results speed?
Is there an equivalent of Google Search Console or Bing Webmaster Tools for the new EUSP index yet?
What could @openwebsearcheu do to be more useful to EUSP’s efforts so they are not duplicated?
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@wolfgang_oels Thanks. https://betterweb.qwant.com/en/2024/11/08/ecosia-and-qwant-join-forces-to-develop-european-search-index/ also was useful.
Any update on progress made since November last year?
What percentage of FR or DE language searches today are handled by EUSP infrastructure without assistance from Google or Bing?
Does EUP use the indexing datasets produced by @openwebsearcheu?
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@wolfgang_oels Thanks. https://betterweb.qwant.com/en/2024/11/08/ecosia-and-qwant-join-forces-to-develop-european-search-index/ also was useful.
Any update on progress made since November last year?
What percentage of FR or DE language searches today are handled by EUSP infrastructure without assistance from Google or Bing?
Does EUP use the indexing datasets produced by @openwebsearcheu?
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are recordings of #ngiforum25 also planned to be uploaded to NGI PeerTube, @[email protected] ? -
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"Open source licensing permits continued operation of the software with an EU provider."
That’s technically true, but in practice, how many such transitions actually happen? How many of these tools become hollowed-out ghost projects after the buyout? We need the EU to fund #4opens #FOSS and commons-native projects directly, not startups chasing exit strategies.
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"Open source licensing permits continued operation of the software with an EU provider."
That’s technically true, but in practice, how many such transitions actually happen? How many of these tools become hollowed-out ghost projects after the buyout? We need the EU to fund #4opens #FOSS and commons-native projects directly, not startups chasing exit strategies.
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I mentioned before that once you avoid calling people "Users" you start to see how weird and artificial doing so is.
> "The NGI Forum 2025 will focus on the building of an Open Internet Stack as conducive to European digital sovereignty and users’ empowerment"
There are great sessions at #NGIForum25 but there's so much "user this, user that". Why not just say "people", isn't that who #EU serves?
People aren't users. "User" is a technical abstraction, that hampers us from seeing real humans.
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I mentioned before that once you avoid calling people "Users" you start to see how weird and artificial doing so is.
> "The NGI Forum 2025 will focus on the building of an Open Internet Stack as conducive to European digital sovereignty and users’ empowerment"
There are great sessions at #NGIForum25 but there's so much "user this, user that". Why not just say "people", isn't that who #EU serves?
People aren't users. "User" is a technical abstraction, that hampers us from seeing real humans.
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💳 Digital payments sovereignty at #NGIForum25!
Özgür Kesim @oec presenting "Digital Freedom meets Digital Payments" - how Europeans maintain financial autonomy in digital economy 🇪🇺
Follow LIVE the session on the NGI website: https://ngi.eu/ngi-forum25/
#NGIForum2025 #DigitalSovereignty #OpenInternet #DigitalCommons #EuropeanInnovation #OpenSource #NGIForum
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💳 Digital payments sovereignty at #NGIForum25!
Özgür Kesim @oec presenting "Digital Freedom meets Digital Payments" - how Europeans maintain financial autonomy in digital economy 🇪🇺
Follow LIVE the session on the NGI website: https://ngi.eu/ngi-forum25/
#NGIForum2025 #DigitalSovereignty #OpenInternet #DigitalCommons #EuropeanInnovation #OpenSource #NGIForum
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“Why do these companies use NGI-funded #OpenSource solutions instead of a commercial service for software supply chain compliance and #cybersecurity options? Because the American providers are only doing best-effort. In 🇺🇸 you can buy your way out of cyber mistakes. In 🇪🇺 you’re liable for damages thanks to CRA, so the tools we provide for the #EU market are simply much better” at tracking provenance.
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“Why do these companies use NGI-funded #OpenSource solutions instead of a commercial service for software supply chain compliance and #cybersecurity options? Because the American providers are only doing best-effort. In 🇺🇸 you can buy your way out of cyber mistakes. In 🇪🇺 you’re liable for damages thanks to CRA, so the tools we provide for the #EU market are simply much better” at tracking provenance.
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🔐 Software supply chain security at #NGIForum25!
🎤 Philippe Ombredanne (AboutCode) on "Managing Your Software Supply Chain with NGI: Security, GenAI, and CRA compliance" 🇪🇺
Tackling pressing EU digital sovereignty challenge!
Follow LIVE the session on the NGI website: https://ngi.eu/ngi-forum25/
#NGIForum2025 #DigitalSovereignty #OpenInternet #DigitalCommons #EuropeanInnovation #OpenSource #NGIForum
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🔐 Software supply chain security at #NGIForum25!
🎤 Philippe Ombredanne (AboutCode) on "Managing Your Software Supply Chain with NGI: Security, GenAI, and CRA compliance" 🇪🇺
Tackling pressing EU digital sovereignty challenge!
Follow LIVE the session on the NGI website: https://ngi.eu/ngi-forum25/
#NGIForum2025 #DigitalSovereignty #OpenInternet #DigitalCommons #EuropeanInnovation #OpenSource #NGIForum
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@nee @MattiSG a post a little strong maybe, but someone has to say this https://hamishcampbell.com/getting-through-this-era-of-collapse-with-anything-human-left-intact/
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@nee @MattiSG a post a little strong maybe, but someone has to say this https://hamishcampbell.com/getting-through-this-era-of-collapse-with-anything-human-left-intact/
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Getting through this era of collapse with anything humane intact
The discussions on sovereignty at #NGIForum2025 make me wonder: what year are we in? It’s as if we’re rebooting grassroots conversations we’ve had for decades - but without the mess, memory, or movement that gave them meaning in the first place. A breath of clarity came from @renchap, who said it plainly: We need to focus our efforts on funding and supporting public value network infrastructure… THAT CANNOT BE BOUGHT. 💪 Absolutely. If that idea resonates with you, try starting […]https://hamishcampbell.com/getting-through-this-era-of-collapse-with-anything-human-left-intact/
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Getting through this era of collapse with anything humane intact
The discussions on sovereignty at #NGIForum2025 make me wonder: what year are we in? It’s as if we’re rebooting grassroots conversations we’ve had for decades - but without the mess, memory, or movement that gave them meaning in the first place. A breath of clarity came from @renchap, who said it plainly: We need to focus our efforts on funding and supporting public value network infrastructure… THAT CANNOT BE BOUGHT. 💪 Absolutely. If that idea resonates with you, try starting […]https://hamishcampbell.com/getting-through-this-era-of-collapse-with-anything-human-left-intact/
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👥 Users FIRST at #NGIForum25!
"Co-creating NGI building blocks with end-user at the centre" - designing EU #DigitalSovereignty around actual user needs! 🎯🎤 Andrés del Álamo Cienfuegos (@Cibervoluntarios) moderating user-centric experts:
Muttukrishnan Rajarajan (University of London)
Ruben Roex (Timelex)
Thanasis Papaioannou (National and Kapodistrian University of Athens)Follow LIVE the session on the NGI website: https://ngi.eu/ngi-forum25/
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👥 Users FIRST at #NGIForum25!
"Co-creating NGI building blocks with end-user at the centre" - designing EU #DigitalSovereignty around actual user needs! 🎯🎤 Andrés del Álamo Cienfuegos (@Cibervoluntarios) moderating user-centric experts:
Muttukrishnan Rajarajan (University of London)
Ruben Roex (Timelex)
Thanasis Papaioannou (National and Kapodistrian University of Athens)Follow LIVE the session on the NGI website: https://ngi.eu/ngi-forum25/
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I'm learning a lot at #ngiforum25 during which I keep getting distracted by the need to find what must be a powerfully (though preferably kindly) critical backchannel
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I'm learning a lot at #ngiforum25 during which I keep getting distracted by the need to find what must be a powerfully (though preferably kindly) critical backchannel
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🚀 A powerful morning at DAY 2 of #NGIForum25 on building Europe-first web sovereignty:
Sara Garavelli (@CSC) opened with a call for search independence
MEP @alexandrageese (@europarl_en) highlighted policy drivers for Open Web infrastructure
Panels showcased practical applications (search, AI, sustainability)
Stefan Voigt (@Open Search Foundation) led insights on sovereign tech stacks
We’re now hearing closing reflections from Sara, Stefan, and Michael Granitzer.
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🚀 A powerful morning at DAY 2 of #NGIForum25 on building Europe-first web sovereignty:
Sara Garavelli (@CSC) opened with a call for search independence
MEP @alexandrageese (@europarl_en) highlighted policy drivers for Open Web infrastructure
Panels showcased practical applications (search, AI, sustainability)
Stefan Voigt (@Open Search Foundation) led insights on sovereign tech stacks
We’re now hearing closing reflections from Sara, Stefan, and Michael Granitzer.
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Discussions on sovereignty at #ngiforum25 make me wonder which year we are in?
I'd like to thank @renchap for his concise and coherent statements:
We need to focus our efforts on funding and supporting public value network infrastructure ...
... THAT CANNOT BE BOUGHT 💪
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Discussions on sovereignty at #ngiforum25 make me wonder which year we are in?
I'd like to thank @renchap for his concise and coherent statements:
We need to focus our efforts on funding and supporting public value network infrastructure ...
... THAT CANNOT BE BOUGHT 💪
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Audience question: How should we handle the situation of US company acquiring an EU company, like Slido from Slovensko being acquired by Cisco in US?
Answer: Open source licensing permits continued operation of the software with an EU provider. The EU should fund FOSS development instead of venture funding for companies.
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Audience question: How should we handle the situation of US company acquiring an EU company, like Slido from Slovensko being acquired by Cisco in US?
Answer: Open source licensing permits continued operation of the software with an EU provider. The EU should fund FOSS development instead of venture funding for companies.
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🌐 The comprehensive vision for European web sovereignty emerges at #NGIForum25!
🎤 Stefan Voigt from the Open Search Foundation and DLR is moderating the panel discussion on "Web Sovereignty – towards a sovereign web tech stack for Europe" with panelists:
🔹 Renaud Chaput @renchap (@Mastodon)
🔹Gaël Duval @gael (@murena)
🔹Ana Garcia Robles (BDVA)Follow LIVE the session on the NGI website: https://ngi.eu/ngi-forum25/
#NGIForum2025 #DigitalSovereignty #OpenInternet #DigitalCommons #OpenSource
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🌐 The comprehensive vision for European web sovereignty emerges at #NGIForum25!
🎤 Stefan Voigt from the Open Search Foundation and DLR is moderating the panel discussion on "Web Sovereignty – towards a sovereign web tech stack for Europe" with panelists:
🔹 Renaud Chaput @renchap (@Mastodon)
🔹Gaël Duval @gael (@murena)
🔹Ana Garcia Robles (BDVA)Follow LIVE the session on the NGI website: https://ngi.eu/ngi-forum25/
#NGIForum2025 #DigitalSovereignty #OpenInternet #DigitalCommons #OpenSource
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Moderator (female, as all other staff member on stage): “what is your wish on #EuroHPC and #LLM?”
Panelist 1: “We need more compute! By the end of the year there will be 5 times more capacity, and it will still not be enough!”
Panelist 2: “I wish you guys (sic) make the most use of these resources”
Panelist 4: “Use us, use us, use us!”
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Moderator (female, as all other staff member on stage): “what is your wish on #EuroHPC and #LLM?”
Panelist 1: “We need more compute! By the end of the year there will be 5 times more capacity, and it will still not be enough!”
Panelist 2: “I wish you guys (sic) make the most use of these resources”
Panelist 4: “Use us, use us, use us!”
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How is it possible to have a male-only panel in 2025 at #NGIForum25, under the aegis of an institution whose beautiful motto is “United in diversity”, in a context where we claim to want to fight back against loss of democratic values, human rights, erosion of #DEI ?
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How is it possible to have a male-only panel in 2025 at #NGIForum25, under the aegis of an institution whose beautiful motto is “United in diversity”, in a context where we claim to want to fight back against loss of democratic values, human rights, erosion of #DEI ?
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Excellent audience question: How much of the EU funding for AI is just going to purchase hardware made by US companies?
Per Öster admitted that much of it is, as there is an AI hardware market monopoly situation and only 1 French company.
Follow up question asked why not just buy from the French company then? Per blamed procurement policy requirements. @alexandrageese acknowledged EU-preferencing should be introduced in procurement requirements in this area.
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Excellent audience question: How much of the EU funding for AI is just going to purchase hardware made by US companies?
Per Öster admitted that much of it is, as there is an AI hardware market monopoly situation and only 1 French company.
Follow up question asked why not just buy from the French company then? Per blamed procurement policy requirements. @alexandrageese acknowledged EU-preferencing should be introduced in procurement requirements in this area.
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Wolfgang Oels dodged an audience question about how much of a European search engine Ecosia is it at this point.
Ecosia mostly seems to be a different UI on top of Google search given the Google cookies it asks to set.
He made a claim that Ecosia does something different for search in France and Deutschland, but did not provide details.
I can understand a gradual shift to better vendors as they become available, but people deserve transparency on how not-Google it actually is.
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Wolfgang Oels dodged an audience question about how much of a European search engine Ecosia is it at this point.
Ecosia mostly seems to be a different UI on top of Google search given the Google cookies it asks to set.
He made a claim that Ecosia does something different for search in France and Deutschland, but did not provide details.
I can understand a gradual shift to better vendors as they become available, but people deserve transparency on how not-Google it actually is.
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Stefan Voigt asked forum participants to raise hands of who uses Windows/macOS vs a FOSS OS and then iPhone vs Google Android vs non-Google Android/Sailfish/et al.
Enormous portions of macOS, iOS, and Android are FOSS. Let’s not discount that.
Let’s also not shame people for not using more ideologically pure products when Linux still doesn’t “just work” and there is no Apple-quality hardware with Apple Silicon performance alternative. Hopefully one day you can shame me.
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Stefan Voigt asked forum participants to raise hands of who uses Windows/macOS vs a FOSS OS and then iPhone vs Google Android vs non-Google Android/Sailfish/et al.
Enormous portions of macOS, iOS, and Android are FOSS. Let’s not discount that.
Let’s also not shame people for not using more ideologically pure products when Linux still doesn’t “just work” and there is no Apple-quality hardware with Apple Silicon performance alternative. Hopefully one day you can shame me.
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🔧 Theory → Practice at #NGIForum25!
"Applications of Open Web Index & Web Data Infrastructure" panel showing real-world use cases 🌍🎤 Sara Garavelli (@CSC) moderating diverse ecosystem experts:
Emmanuel Cartier (@EU_JRC)
Per Öster (@CSC – IT Center for Science)
Jan Hajič (@OpenEuroLLM)
Wolfgang Oels (@Ecosia)Follow LIVE the session on the NGI website: https://ngi.eu/ngi-forum25/
#NGIForum2025 #DigitalSovereignty #OpenInternet #DigitalCommons #EuropeanInnovation #OpenSource #NGIForum
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🔧 Theory → Practice at #NGIForum25!
"Applications of Open Web Index & Web Data Infrastructure" panel showing real-world use cases 🌍🎤 Sara Garavelli (@CSC) moderating diverse ecosystem experts:
Emmanuel Cartier (@EU_JRC)
Per Öster (@CSC – IT Center for Science)
Jan Hajič (@OpenEuroLLM)
Wolfgang Oels (@Ecosia)Follow LIVE the session on the NGI website: https://ngi.eu/ngi-forum25/
#NGIForum2025 #DigitalSovereignty #OpenInternet #DigitalCommons #EuropeanInnovation #OpenSource #NGIForum
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~“Don’t say ‘federated’. It’s good, but people are already lost when you say that word.” —@alexandrageese
Me: “social web” > “fediverse”