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Why did I not hear about element.scrollIntoView() before?? :masto_sob:

#JavaScript #WebDev #KaiOS

I've started rewriting my map app for #KaiOS so that it can also be used on a touchscreen device.

PWA
https://omap.strukturart.com/

Repo:
https://github.com/strukturart/o.map

RE: https://social.vivaldi.net/@hsorlie/116392714351515084

Related: Is there a way to run android apps (specifically #OwnTracks ) on #kaiOS ? Or is there an @owntracks kaiOS app? Or a way to run OwnTracks on a kaiOS device, besides the app? Or a... 🤔 @kaios

RE: https://social.vivaldi.net/@hsorlie/116392714351515084

Related: Is there a way to run android apps (specifically #OwnTracks ) on #kaiOS ? Or is there an @owntracks kaiOS app? Or a way to run OwnTracks on a kaiOS device, besides the app? Or a... 🤔 @kaios

RE: https://social.vivaldi.net/@hsorlie/116392714351515084

Related: Is there a way to run android apps (specifically #OwnTracks ) on #kaiOS ? Or is there an @owntracks kaiOS app? Or a way to run OwnTracks on a kaiOS device, besides the app? Or a... 🤔 @kaios

RE: https://social.vivaldi.net/@hsorlie/116392714351515084

Related: Is there a way to run android apps (specifically #OwnTracks ) on #kaiOS ? Or is there an @owntracks kaiOS app? Or a way to run OwnTracks on a kaiOS device, besides the app? Or a... 🤔 @kaios

RE: https://social.vivaldi.net/@hsorlie/116392714351515084

Related: Is there a way to run android apps (specifically #OwnTracks ) on #kaiOS ? Or is there an @owntracks kaiOS app? Or a way to run OwnTracks on a kaiOS device, besides the app? Or a... 🤔 @kaios

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#Convo #XMPP #KaiOS

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#Convo #XMPP #KaiOS

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#Convo #XMPP #KaiOS

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#Convo #XMPP #KaiOS

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#Convo #XMPP #KaiOS

TIL that the #Taxis app on #KaiOS (the #dumbPhone #OS) does #Uber rides

This means, #flipPhones can get Uber rides.

https://soft-travel-311871.framer.app/

@futzle post cannot even be displayed on #brutaldon #kaios

@cibersheep he completat dos i mig de tres. Fa anys que no sóc ni a #Twitter, ni a #Meta. I #Windows a nivell personal ja si, uso #Ubuntu, però a la feina ho veig com un impossible.

I respecte als mòbils, doncs fa anys que em ronda pel cap tornar a #BacktoBasics i comprar-me algun aparell simple amb #KaiOS

I added a new tab to my RSS-Mastodon -Reader for #KaiOS that lists all images from the feeds. The app is a PWA that can be hosted entirely on its own; it consists only of a front end that stores the feeds locally.

https://github.com/strukturart/feedolin

@delta @p2panda
How did you do that with chat groups? Are they identities that only exist as long as there is an admin user, or do they exist until they are deleted? I would like to introduce a group feature to my p2p chat: https://flop.chat app for #KaiOS but I'm not sure yet how to handle the lifetime of a group.

#KaiOS
The latest version of the WebRTC chat app: flop for KaiOS has been released in the store.

https://flop.chat

@alcinnz personally I'd want #XMPP messaging (it's the whole reason I'm making #Convo). But that might be opening a new can of worms, depending on what you have in mind?

What I'm missing from my #KaiOS is that and the ability to book cabs and make online payments (a lowkey must in some Indian cities *cough* Bangalore *cough*)

All these are peripherally "interacting with people on the go" which is what I'd want from my phone

@alcinnz personally I'd want #XMPP messaging (it's the whole reason I'm making #Convo). But that might be opening a new can of worms, depending on what you have in mind?

What I'm missing from my #KaiOS is that and the ability to book cabs and make online payments (a lowkey must in some Indian cities *cough* Bangalore *cough*)

All these are peripherally "interacting with people on the go" which is what I'd want from my phone

@alcinnz personally I'd want #XMPP messaging (it's the whole reason I'm making #Convo). But that might be opening a new can of worms, depending on what you have in mind?

What I'm missing from my #KaiOS is that and the ability to book cabs and make online payments (a lowkey must in some Indian cities *cough* Bangalore *cough*)

All these are peripherally "interacting with people on the go" which is what I'd want from my phone

@alcinnz personally I'd want #XMPP messaging (it's the whole reason I'm making #Convo). But that might be opening a new can of worms, depending on what you have in mind?

What I'm missing from my #KaiOS is that and the ability to book cabs and make online payments (a lowkey must in some Indian cities *cough* Bangalore *cough*)

All these are peripherally "interacting with people on the go" which is what I'd want from my phone

@alcinnz personally I'd want #XMPP messaging (it's the whole reason I'm making #Convo). But that might be opening a new can of worms, depending on what you have in mind?

What I'm missing from my #KaiOS is that and the ability to book cabs and make online payments (a lowkey must in some Indian cities *cough* Bangalore *cough*)

All these are peripherally "interacting with people on the go" which is what I'd want from my phone

My p2p chat app: flop can now also be installed for KaiOS 2.x via the store.

https://www.kaiostech.com/store/apps/?bundle_id=kaios.app.flop

https://github.com/strukturart/flop

#KaiOS #WebRTC

@nixCraft further splintering the already meager development resources for alt mobile OSs is exactly what Apple and Google want. Not that any serious challenger to the duopoly had emerged after #KaiOS failed on the feature phone market. Well done FSF.

What's the best #KaiOS #postmarketOS phone?

#AskFedi #phone

I dream of a flip phone that can run postmarketOS and make calls over Wi-Fi and Jabber.

Why? Because flip phones aren't expected to be a place where you run "apps." If you say "I have a flip phone," your bank won't hassle you to get the app anymore.

postmarketOS does have some support for feature phones. It can run on the devices that come with KaiOS.

#XMPP #postmarketOS #dumbphone #FreeSoftware #KaiOS

Anybody use Convo?

#XMPP #Jabber #KaiOS #DumbPhones #AskFedi

@valhalla @praveen it also depends on the hardware, doesn't it?

#Debian on a #PocoF1 is very much a smartphone, but if you put the same label to Debian on a #Beepy it won't quite live up to expectations

Unfortunately, many people have the impression that "being small with a physical numpad" and "capable of running complex applications" are mutually exclusive resulting in most manufacturers not giving good specs to such devices. So in practice #KaiOS phones are closer to feature phones 😕

@disaster2life I mean #KaiOS is good if you want to also make and receive phone calls/SMS or create a 4G WiFi hotspot on said portable hackable device?

But if those are not important there'd be other options too (check #Beepy and #WiPhone!) :raspberrypi:

For me, it was the one device I'd carry around (until I got #Mobian on my #PocoF1, but my #Nokia2720Flip is still 💯 when I'm not in the city and apt to be blocked by QR-coded React-bloated ticketing systems or something)

This day in history...I mean present: first ever end-to-end encrypted message to be sent from a #dumbphone?

https://git.disroot.org/badrihippo/convo/commit/c95d048c9dafa51ceef5c5c07b241abe6290696b

Using #Convo on #KaiOS, powered by #ConverseJS, #XMPP, #OMEMO, and #libsignal :xmpp:

Just made commits after a long gap to #Convo, my #XMPP app for #KaiOS. Still many basics to be worked out like rendering chats properly and allowing users to start a new conversation, but at least it's hackily usable :xmpp:

https://git.disroot.org/badrihippo/convo

PS: if anyone familiar with #ConverseJS can help with making a headless version of the #OMEMO plugin that would be much appreciated! Please boost if you know anyone who can help there 🔒

@ambuj yep that is a total pain 😵

That's why I'm looking forward to #LibreFin, also presenting at #IndiaFOSS2025 which will pave the way towards changing that!

https://mas.to/@fossunited/115065307632226628

They are not directly related to #KaiOS, but being #FreeSoftware and #OpenSources means we're one step closer to implementing it wherever we want 💸

By the way, what are the other missing features you think are a must before you'd consider using #KaiOS?

@fossunited

"#JamieZawinski has #repeatedly said:

Now hear me out, but What If…? #browser #development was in the hands of some kind of #nonprofit #organization?

In my #humble but #correct #opinion, #Mozilla should be doing two things and two things only:

#Building THE #reference #implementation #WebBrowser and
Being a jugular-#snapping #attack #dog on #standards #committees.
There is no 3."
"Perhaps this is the only #viable #resolution."

"#Mozilla, for all its many #failings, has #invented a lot of #amazing #tech, from #Rust to #Servo to the #leading #budget #phone #OS. It shouldn't be trying to #capitalize on this #stuff. Maybe 3encourage it to have semi-independent #spinoffs, such as #Thunderbird, and as #KaiOS ought to be, and as #Rust could have been."
"But #JamieZawinski has the only #clear #vision and #solution we've seen yet. Perhaps he's #right, and #Mozilla #should be a #nonprofit, #working to #fund the one #independent, non-#vendor-driven, #standardscompliant #browserEngine."

"#JamieZawinski has #repeatedly said:

Now hear me out, but What If…? #browser #development was in the hands of some kind of #nonprofit #organization?

In my #humble but #correct #opinion, #Mozilla should be doing two things and two things only:

#Building THE #reference #implementation #WebBrowser and
Being a jugular-#snapping #attack #dog on #standards #committees.
There is no 3."
"Perhaps this is the only #viable #resolution."

"#Mozilla, for all its many #failings, has #invented a lot of #amazing #tech, from #Rust to #Servo to the #leading #budget #phone #OS. It shouldn't be trying to #capitalize on this #stuff. Maybe 3encourage it to have semi-independent #spinoffs, such as #Thunderbird, and as #KaiOS ought to be, and as #Rust could have been."
"But #JamieZawinski has the only #clear #vision and #solution we've seen yet. Perhaps he's #right, and #Mozilla #should be a #nonprofit, #working to #fund the one #independent, non-#vendor-driven, #standardscompliant #browserEngine."

"#JamieZawinski has #repeatedly said:

Now hear me out, but What If…? #browser #development was in the hands of some kind of #nonprofit #organization?

In my #humble but #correct #opinion, #Mozilla should be doing two things and two things only:

#Building THE #reference #implementation #WebBrowser and
Being a jugular-#snapping #attack #dog on #standards #committees.
There is no 3."
"Perhaps this is the only #viable #resolution."

"#Mozilla, for all its many #failings, has #invented a lot of #amazing #tech, from #Rust to #Servo to the #leading #budget #phone #OS. It shouldn't be trying to #capitalize on this #stuff. Maybe 3encourage it to have semi-independent #spinoffs, such as #Thunderbird, and as #KaiOS ought to be, and as #Rust could have been."
"But #JamieZawinski has the only #clear #vision and #solution we've seen yet. Perhaps he's #right, and #Mozilla #should be a #nonprofit, #working to #fund the one #independent, non-#vendor-driven, #standardscompliant #browserEngine."

"#JamieZawinski has #repeatedly said:

Now hear me out, but What If…? #browser #development was in the hands of some kind of #nonprofit #organization?

In my #humble but #correct #opinion, #Mozilla should be doing two things and two things only:

#Building THE #reference #implementation #WebBrowser and
Being a jugular-#snapping #attack #dog on #standards #committees.
There is no 3."
"Perhaps this is the only #viable #resolution."

"#Mozilla, for all its many #failings, has #invented a lot of #amazing #tech, from #Rust to #Servo to the #leading #budget #phone #OS. It shouldn't be trying to #capitalize on this #stuff. Maybe 3encourage it to have semi-independent #spinoffs, such as #Thunderbird, and as #KaiOS ought to be, and as #Rust could have been."
"But #JamieZawinski has the only #clear #vision and #solution we've seen yet. Perhaps he's #right, and #Mozilla #should be a #nonprofit, #working to #fund the one #independent, non-#vendor-driven, #standardscompliant #browserEngine."

GitHub - strukturart/Parrot: KaiOS T9 vocabulary expansion - Parrot aims to enhance the T9 predictive text input experience on KaiOS-powered devices by allowing users to easily manage and expand their T9 word library.
https://github.com/strukturart/Parrot
#dumbphone #t9 #kaios #nokia
via https://magicfab.ca/liens

GitHub - strukturart/Parrot: KaiOS T9 vocabulary expansion - Parrot aims to enhance the T9 predictive text input experience on KaiOS-powered devices by allowing users to easily manage and expand their T9 word library.
https://github.com/strukturart/Parrot
#dumbphone #t9 #kaios #nokia
via https://magicfab.ca/liens

I got a Nokia 2780 Flip phone as our "home phone" for around the house and for my kid to bring with him in situations where we might be separated. It's very satisfying to use! Physical buttons, T9 texting, and it even has a rudimentary Google Maps app. 3 days of battery life, to boot. It runs KaiOS. Great call quality, signal strength, and that pleasant Nokia ringtone.

#dumbphone #featurephone #nokia #fliphone #kaios #t9 #minimalism #parenting

I got a Nokia 2780 Flip phone as our "home phone" for around the house and for my kid to bring with him in situations where we might be separated. It's very satisfying to use! Physical buttons, T9 texting, and it even has a rudimentary Google Maps app. 3 days of battery life, to boot. It runs KaiOS. Great call quality, signal strength, and that pleasant Nokia ringtone.

#dumbphone #featurephone #nokia #fliphone #kaios #t9 #minimalism #parenting

Hoy decidí hacer la prueba de tener el fono desconectado del wifi y los datos, salvo cuando los fuera a usar, realice y recibí llamadas y mensajes de texto y MMS siempre con el brillo al 100% durante el día y 70% durante la noche. A las 2am lo había desenchufado del cargador con el 100%, a las 8:30am cuando me levante, todavía tenia 100% y ahora a las 23hs, tiene 91% luego de todo el día, por lo que supongo que cuando sean las 2am en un rato, va a tener del orden del 90% de carga restante. La batería es de 1700mah. KaiOS realmente es algo más. El teléfono es un Plum Ram 9 y es espectacular, simple, robusto, liviano y compacto. Había olvidado lo rápido y sin mirar que podía escribir en un teclado T9, nada puede reemplazar el feedback de los botones, llamar y cortar con un botón, de forma instantánea. Eso es algo que una pantalla táctil y un sistema operativo obeso, nunca van a poder igualar. #kaios #plum #ram9 #android #keyboard #teclado #t9 #tecnología

@lcruggeri
#kaios e #firefoxos sotto han #Linux ma NON sono #Android
Vedi Firefox OS - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_OS?wprov=sfla1

@cinimodev I never actually saw/read your reply, sorry 😬

Browsing is (maybe) the one thing I would expect #KaiOS to do well, since it is based on the now-defunct #FirefoxOS 🤓

Regarding the (lack of) apps, did you check https://store.bananahackers.net/, an alternative app store? 🤔

Couldn't you have bought a new SIM card subscribed to a very cheap plan? No Bluetooth? ☹️

BTW: Guess who now has a (somewhat) functional, working Nokia E72 in 2025 😎 #symbian

WhatsApp support cancelled by February 2025 for some KaiOS based feature phones #Meta #Whatsapp #KaiOS #FirefoxOS #FeaturePhones #Android #iOS

WhatsApp support cancelled by February 2025 for some KaiOS based feature phones

#Meta #Whatsapp #KaiOS #FirefoxOS #FeaturePhones #Android #iOS

WhatsApp support cancelled by February 2025 for some KaiOS based feature phones #Meta #Whatsapp #KaiOS #FirefoxOS #FeaturePhones #Android #iOS

Bueno, como nobleza obliga, luego de casi un año y medio de usar este teléfono, tengo varios comentarios. Voy a empezar por lo malo, al principio todo funcionaba super bien hasta que luego de varios meses de usarlo, comencé a notar que el diccionario es demasiado lento, es como que no le da o algo, para la velocidad a la que escribo, que tampoco es la gran cosa. Este factor, es casi un parteaguas, porque es justamente lo que yo estoy buscando recuperar de un teléfono, el que sea instantáneo, que no piense, que aprieto y haga. Eso se ve fácilmente con los teléfonos tontos o con sistemas operativos Real Time o RTOS como el ThreadX. KaiOS definitivamente no es instantáneo, cosa que me molesta mucho y que se disimula bastante bien al comienzo. Otra cosa que se volvió muy lenta, es navegar entre los contactos, los de GerdaOS (sistema que nunca pude instalar), dicen que la aplicación de contactos de GerdaOS es mucho más ágil, en fin. Lo otro más relacionado con el hardware que me decepcionó un poco (pero menos que la parte de software), es que las recubiertas de goma se comenzaros a despegar llegando a los 10 meses, 1 año de uso. No es mucho problema porque las volví a pegar con LaGotita, pero lo que si no se puede arreglar, es el otro tema y que es sobre los pulsadores de las teclas, a veces no marcan por más que tenes el feedback sonoro y táctil de la misma. Esto es una mierda porque pensas que escribiste, pero te falta una letra. Después todo lo demás anda bien. La señal del teléfono es inmejorable, se escucha muy bien, la batería le dura bien, tiene para compartir wifi y para tener apps básicas de KaiOS de las cuales uso un par con frecuencia. Pero para mí lo más importante es cuando estas en la calle, en la apurada, resolviendo cosas, que el teléfono escriba bien, que sea ágil buscando contactos y que responda ágilmente, cosa que no ocurre yá, desde hace un tiempo. Por lo tanto mi búsqueda sigue, pero esta vez directamente en teléfonos con sistemas operativos en tiempo real como TreadX, por más que no sean libres, no se si habrá libres. De todas maneras, esto está enrabado con otro tema que vengo pensando desde hace tiempo, que es problematizar el general purpose computing o informática de propósito general, que es básicamente no pretender que cada cosa que usemos sea una computadora encubierta, con un sistema operativo, que tiene que hacer mil cosas para hacer cosas simples. Pero bueno, eso y la glorificación de los teléfonos tontos, quedará para otros hilos #dumbphone #featurephone #kaios #threadx #celulares #mobilephone #phone #smartphones

Todavia existe el CAT B100 que le dejé a mi suegro en 2015. Hoy me encuentro volviendo a los candybar con botones. Comparacion de tamaño CAT B100 vs Plum RAM 9 #kaios #threadx #mobile #rugged #phone #celular #dumbphone

Can anyone tell me whether #Kaios #featurephone support #CardDav and #CalDav?
They are two "killer feature" that make me leave #Nokia #SymbianOS years ago.