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@stib I've since checked out #SwayWM, and I can say that while indeed there's less resistance involved in migrating from #i3WM than in the case of #Hyprland, I also found that in general the configuration process for both i3 and Sway is less intuitive than for Hyprland. Also, Sway still does not correctly load #XCompose keybinds the way #X11 does. This is generally excusable since that's not really in the scope for what we ought to expect any #Wayland compositor to do.
On the matter of Hyprland's toxic community, I don't know much about it besides what's available on Drew's blog (https://drewdevault.com/blog/Hyprland-toxicity/), and in Vaxry's response (https://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2023-hyprlandsCommunity). The general impression I get from this interaction is that @drew is probably right in saying that Hyprland has a toxic community, but Vaxry's response raises some un‐challenged objections which are not entirely unreasonable. I also get the impression from Vaxry's own blog that they're probably too blithe when it comes to moderation, which may or may not be due to some underlying motivations.
All in all, I don't feel I know enough about this to make a complete judgement. For now I think I'll stick to i3, only because I get to keep my compose sequences.
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@stib I've since checked out #SwayWM, and I can say that while indeed there's less resistance involved in migrating from #i3WM than in the case of #Hyprland, I also found that in general the configuration process for both i3 and Sway is less intuitive than for Hyprland. Also, Sway still does not correctly load #XCompose keybinds the way #X11 does. This is generally excusable since that's not really in the scope for what we ought to expect any #Wayland compositor to do.
On the matter of Hyprland's toxic community, I don't know much about it besides what's available on Drew's blog (https://drewdevault.com/blog/Hyprland-toxicity/), and in Vaxry's response (https://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2023-hyprlandsCommunity). The general impression I get from this interaction is that @drew is probably right in saying that Hyprland has a toxic community, but Vaxry's response raises some un‐challenged objections which are not entirely unreasonable. I also get the impression from Vaxry's own blog that they're probably too blithe when it comes to moderation, which may or may not be due to some underlying motivations.
All in all, I don't feel I know enough about this to make a complete judgement. For now I think I'll stick to i3, only because I get to keep my compose sequences.
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@stib I've since checked out #SwayWM, and I can say that while indeed there's less resistance involved in migrating from #i3WM than in the case of #Hyprland, I also found that in general the configuration process for both i3 and Sway is less intuitive than for Hyprland. Also, Sway still does not correctly load #XCompose keybinds the way #X11 does. This is generally excusable since that's not really in the scope for what we ought to expect any #Wayland compositor to do.
On the matter of Hyprland's toxic community, I don't know much about it besides what's available on Drew's blog (https://drewdevault.com/blog/Hyprland-toxicity/), and in Vaxry's response (https://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2023-hyprlandsCommunity). The general impression I get from this interaction is that @drew is probably right in saying that Hyprland has a toxic community, but Vaxry's response raises some un‐challenged objections which are not entirely unreasonable. I also get the impression from Vaxry's own blog that they're probably too blithe when it comes to moderation, which may or may not be due to some underlying motivations.
All in all, I don't feel I know enough about this to make a complete judgement. For now I think I'll stick to i3, only because I get to keep my compose sequences.
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@stib I've since checked out #SwayWM, and I can say that while indeed there's less resistance involved in migrating from #i3WM than in the case of #Hyprland, I also found that in general the configuration process for both i3 and Sway is less intuitive than for Hyprland. Also, Sway still does not correctly load #XCompose keybinds the way #X11 does. This is generally excusable since that's not really in the scope for what we ought to expect any #Wayland compositor to do.
On the matter of Hyprland's toxic community, I don't know much about it besides what's available on Drew's blog (https://drewdevault.com/blog/Hyprland-toxicity/), and in Vaxry's response (https://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2023-hyprlandsCommunity). The general impression I get from this interaction is that @drew is probably right in saying that Hyprland has a toxic community, but Vaxry's response raises some un‐challenged objections which are not entirely unreasonable. I also get the impression from Vaxry's own blog that they're probably too blithe when it comes to moderation, which may or may not be due to some underlying motivations.
All in all, I don't feel I know enough about this to make a complete judgement. For now I think I'll stick to i3, only because I get to keep my compose sequences.
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@stib I've since checked out #SwayWM, and I can say that while indeed there's less resistance involved in migrating from #i3WM than in the case of #Hyprland, I also found that in general the configuration process for both i3 and Sway is less intuitive than for Hyprland. Also, Sway still does not correctly load #XCompose keybinds the way #X11 does. This is generally excusable since that's not really in the scope for what we ought to expect any #Wayland compositor to do.
On the matter of Hyprland's toxic community, I don't know much about it besides what's available on Drew's blog (https://drewdevault.com/blog/Hyprland-toxicity/), and in Vaxry's response (https://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2023-hyprlandsCommunity). The general impression I get from this interaction is that @drew is probably right in saying that Hyprland has a toxic community, but Vaxry's response raises some un‐challenged objections which are not entirely unreasonable. I also get the impression from Vaxry's own blog that they're probably too blithe when it comes to moderation, which may or may not be due to some underlying motivations.
All in all, I don't feel I know enough about this to make a complete judgement. For now I think I'll stick to i3, only because I get to keep my compose sequences.
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I've finally decided to try #Wayland, and as someone who was using #i3wm ‘for the performance’ I'm happy to say that #Hyprland seems to perform comparably while providing a much nicer experience. The one hang‐up I have now is that some applications are no longer respecting my #XCompose file, which I have built to my needs over some time now. I'm wondering if anyone knows of a way to force‐feed composed keys to Wayland applications?
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I've finally decided to try #Wayland, and as someone who was using #i3wm ‘for the performance’ I'm happy to say that #Hyprland seems to perform comparably while providing a much nicer experience. The one hang‐up I have now is that some applications are no longer respecting my #XCompose file, which I have built to my needs over some time now. I'm wondering if anyone knows of a way to force‐feed composed keys to Wayland applications?
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I've finally decided to try #Wayland, and as someone who was using #i3wm ‘for the performance’ I'm happy to say that #Hyprland seems to perform comparably while providing a much nicer experience. The one hang‐up I have now is that some applications are no longer respecting my #XCompose file, which I have built to my needs over some time now. I'm wondering if anyone knows of a way to force‐feed composed keys to Wayland applications?
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I've finally decided to try #Wayland, and as someone who was using #i3wm ‘for the performance’ I'm happy to say that #Hyprland seems to perform comparably while providing a much nicer experience. The one hang‐up I have now is that some applications are no longer respecting my #XCompose file, which I have built to my needs over some time now. I'm wondering if anyone knows of a way to force‐feed composed keys to Wayland applications?
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I've finally decided to try #Wayland, and as someone who was using #i3wm ‘for the performance’ I'm happy to say that #Hyprland seems to perform comparably while providing a much nicer experience. The one hang‐up I have now is that some applications are no longer respecting my #XCompose file, which I have built to my needs over some time now. I'm wondering if anyone knows of a way to force‐feed composed keys to Wayland applications?
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I think I need more differences between the configurations of my work and home PC . Right now, I am using same i3wm config, same Emacs config (which is very easy thanks to NixOS). The only differences are the wallpaper and color scheme (and some set of the applications).
While this is convenient, I feel that it blurs the line between using computer at home and using computer at work, which is not healthy...
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I think I need more differences between the configurations of my work and home PC . Right now, I am using same i3wm config, same Emacs config (which is very easy thanks to NixOS). The only differences are the wallpaper and color scheme (and some set of the applications).
While this is convenient, I feel that it blurs the line between using computer at home and using computer at work, which is not healthy...
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I think I need more differences between the configurations of my work and home PC . Right now, I am using same i3wm config, same Emacs config (which is very easy thanks to NixOS). The only differences are the wallpaper and color scheme (and some set of the applications).
While this is convenient, I feel that it blurs the line between using computer at home and using computer at work, which is not healthy...
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@jameshowell @guix @daviwil I did some tests few months ago. I wanted to verify how usable will be a beautiful #thinkpad X200s which I bought long time ago. Instead of having some stable system as a base I used #guixos . Before I knew nothing about Scheme (still not much more) but it wasn’t any obstacle. The whole idea is elegant and clear. During my journey I used official docs and #LLM companion (#kiro cli). This combo let me move on super fast. I am amazed by results. I like minimalistic setups so my choose were: #i3wm , #neovim , qutebrowser, pass, #NextCloud client and #aerc . I also gave a try to #emacs but I still don’t feel it. The whole setup works extremely well. Thanks to good LLM advice on structuring config files to achieve composability I was enabled to prepare different profiles for my different machines while maintaining single configurations per functionality. Now I have longer pause but in nearest time I plan to experiment with #ubuntu + guix. I hope I reach out testing phase and stary using the setup for daily basis.
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@jameshowell @guix @daviwil I did some tests few months ago. I wanted to verify how usable will be a beautiful #thinkpad X200s which I bought long time ago. Instead of having some stable system as a base I used #guixos . Before I knew nothing about Scheme (still not much more) but it wasn’t any obstacle. The whole idea is elegant and clear. During my journey I used official docs and #LLM companion (#kiro cli). This combo let me move on super fast. I am amazed by results. I like minimalistic setups so my choose were: #i3wm , #neovim , qutebrowser, pass, #NextCloud client and #aerc . I also gave a try to #emacs but I still don’t feel it. The whole setup works extremely well. Thanks to good LLM advice on structuring config files to achieve composability I was enabled to prepare different profiles for my different machines while maintaining single configurations per functionality. Now I have longer pause but in nearest time I plan to experiment with #ubuntu + guix. I hope I reach out testing phase and stary using the setup for daily basis.
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@jameshowell @guix @daviwil I did some tests few months ago. I wanted to verify how usable will be a beautiful #thinkpad X200s which I bought long time ago. Instead of having some stable system as a base I used #guixos . Before I knew nothing about Scheme (still not much more) but it wasn’t any obstacle. The whole idea is elegant and clear. During my journey I used official docs and #LLM companion (#kiro cli). This combo let me move on super fast. I am amazed by results. I like minimalistic setups so my choose were: #i3wm , #neovim , qutebrowser, pass, #NextCloud client and #aerc . I also gave a try to #emacs but I still don’t feel it. The whole setup works extremely well. Thanks to good LLM advice on structuring config files to achieve composability I was enabled to prepare different profiles for my different machines while maintaining single configurations per functionality. Now I have longer pause but in nearest time I plan to experiment with #ubuntu + guix. I hope I reach out testing phase and stary using the setup for daily basis.
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@jameshowell @guix @daviwil I did some tests few months ago. I wanted to verify how usable will be a beautiful #thinkpad X200s which I bought long time ago. Instead of having some stable system as a base I used #guixos . Before I knew nothing about Scheme (still not much more) but it wasn’t any obstacle. The whole idea is elegant and clear. During my journey I used official docs and #LLM companion (#kiro cli). This combo let me move on super fast. I am amazed by results. I like minimalistic setups so my choose were: #i3wm , #neovim , qutebrowser, pass, #NextCloud client and #aerc . I also gave a try to #emacs but I still don’t feel it. The whole setup works extremely well. Thanks to good LLM advice on structuring config files to achieve composability I was enabled to prepare different profiles for my different machines while maintaining single configurations per functionality. Now I have longer pause but in nearest time I plan to experiment with #ubuntu + guix. I hope I reach out testing phase and stary using the setup for daily basis.
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@jameshowell @guix @daviwil I did some tests few months ago. I wanted to verify how usable will be a beautiful #thinkpad X200s which I bought long time ago. Instead of having some stable system as a base I used #guixos . Before I knew nothing about Scheme (still not much more) but it wasn’t any obstacle. The whole idea is elegant and clear. During my journey I used official docs and #LLM companion (#kiro cli). This combo let me move on super fast. I am amazed by results. I like minimalistic setups so my choose were: #i3wm , #neovim , qutebrowser, pass, #NextCloud client and #aerc . I also gave a try to #emacs but I still don’t feel it. The whole setup works extremely well. Thanks to good LLM advice on structuring config files to achieve composability I was enabled to prepare different profiles for my different machines while maintaining single configurations per functionality. Now I have longer pause but in nearest time I plan to experiment with #ubuntu + guix. I hope I reach out testing phase and stary using the setup for daily basis.
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I wrote this a bit back and it's been running swimmingly, as good or better than i3blocks but, at heart, simpler: https://github.com/pjz/hardbar
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I wrote this a bit back and it's been running swimmingly, as good or better than i3blocks but, at heart, simpler: https://github.com/pjz/hardbar
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I3wm config on MX is different in one of two things from the one I've been using along the years. That's why it was giving me problems.
I removed the old config, generated a new one with i3wm wizard and now it seems all good.
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I3wm config on MX is different in one of two things from the one I've been using along the years. That's why it was giving me problems.
I removed the old config, generated a new one with i3wm wizard and now it seems all good.
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I3wm config on MX is different in one of two things from the one I've been using along the years. That's why it was giving me problems.
I removed the old config, generated a new one with i3wm wizard and now it seems all good.
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I3wm config on MX is different in one of two things from the one I've been using along the years. That's why it was giving me problems.
I removed the old config, generated a new one with i3wm wizard and now it seems all good.
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Another day, another slop replacement. Just switched from i3wm to dwm. Couldn't find anything slop related in their repository.
And I love the simplicity and the compile-your-own wm mentality. Any change to the style is just a change in a header file, followed by a re-compilation. Pretty cool so far :blobcatcoffee:
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Another day, another slop replacement. Just switched from i3wm to dwm. Couldn't find anything slop related in their repository.
And I love the simplicity and the compile-your-own wm mentality. Any change to the style is just a change in a header file, followed by a re-compilation. Pretty cool so far :blobcatcoffee:
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Another day, another slop replacement. Just switched from i3wm to dwm. Couldn't find anything slop related in their repository.
And I love the simplicity and the compile-your-own wm mentality. Any change to the style is just a change in a header file, followed by a re-compilation. Pretty cool so far :blobcatcoffee:
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Another day, another slop replacement. Just switched from i3wm to dwm. Couldn't find anything slop related in their repository.
And I love the simplicity and the compile-your-own wm mentality. Any change to the style is just a change in a header file, followed by a re-compilation. Pretty cool so far :blobcatcoffee:
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Another day, another slop replacement. Just switched from i3wm to dwm. Couldn't find anything slop related in their repository.
And I love the simplicity and the compile-your-own wm mentality. Any change to the style is just a change in a header file, followed by a re-compilation. Pretty cool so far :blobcatcoffee:
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Всё, что вы настроили в Linux, можно было не настраивать
Я использую Linux 15 лет. Ну, то есть как использую: первые года три я его настраивал, а не использовал. Это разные вещи, и мне понадобилось позорно много времени чтобы это понять. Сейчас у меня Fedora. Из коробки. С GNOME. Почти без кастомизации. Я набираю в ней код, сижу в браузере, иногда монтирую видео для внутренних демок. Всё работает. Пятнадцать лет назад я бы от такого описания плевался. Как это «из коробки»? А где i3? Где polybar? Где 400 строк .vimrc? Где кастомный скрипт на баше который при подключении второго монитора переключает раскладку DPI и температуру цвета? Ну вот, нету. И ничего не сломалось.
https://habr.com/ru/articles/1044236/
#linux #gnome #i3wm #dotfiles #fedora #продуктивность #прокрастинация #оконный_менеджер #тайлинг #окружение_рабочего_стола
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Всё, что вы настроили в Linux, можно было не настраивать
Я использую Linux 15 лет. Ну, то есть как использую: первые года три я его настраивал, а не использовал. Это разные вещи, и мне понадобилось позорно много времени чтобы это понять. Сейчас у меня Fedora. Из коробки. С GNOME. Почти без кастомизации. Я набираю в ней код, сижу в браузере, иногда монтирую видео для внутренних демок. Всё работает. Пятнадцать лет назад я бы от такого описания плевался. Как это «из коробки»? А где i3? Где polybar? Где 400 строк .vimrc? Где кастомный скрипт на баше который при подключении второго монитора переключает раскладку DPI и температуру цвета? Ну вот, нету. И ничего не сломалось.
https://habr.com/ru/articles/1044236/
#linux #gnome #i3wm #dotfiles #fedora #продуктивность #прокрастинация #оконный_менеджер #тайлинг #окружение_рабочего_стола
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Всё, что вы настроили в Linux, можно было не настраивать
Я использую Linux 15 лет. Ну, то есть как использую: первые года три я его настраивал, а не использовал. Это разные вещи, и мне понадобилось позорно много времени чтобы это понять. Сейчас у меня Fedora. Из коробки. С GNOME. Почти без кастомизации. Я набираю в ней код, сижу в браузере, иногда монтирую видео для внутренних демок. Всё работает. Пятнадцать лет назад я бы от такого описания плевался. Как это «из коробки»? А где i3? Где polybar? Где 400 строк .vimrc? Где кастомный скрипт на баше который при подключении второго монитора переключает раскладку DPI и температуру цвета? Ну вот, нету. И ничего не сломалось.
https://habr.com/ru/articles/1044236/
#linux #gnome #i3wm #dotfiles #fedora #продуктивность #прокрастинация #оконный_менеджер #тайлинг #окружение_рабочего_стола
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@Tom Cole It is available everywhere AFAIK.
But: The convenient black "Alt" button in the corner is exclusive to Mastodon's Web interface plus maybe a few phone apps that have adopted it since. Technically speaking, a UI element to show alt-texts is completely unnecessary because alt-text is only a stand-in for the image itself, for when the image cannot be seen for whichever reason. The alt-text as an extra source of information is a purely Mastodon thing where people use it to expand their meagre 500-character limit by up to another 6,000 characters.
Just about everywhere else in the Fediverse, there is no button for showing alt-texts. That's also because there's nowhere in the Fediverse where people really need alt-texts to write around their tiny character limits, so that alt-texts can be what alt-texts are literally everywhere outside of Mastodon: a stand-in for the image and nothing more than that.
The normal way in the Fediverse (and other social networks and social media) for sighted people to access an alt-text is by moving the mouse cursor upon the image and hovering in there, and the alt-text pops up. The alt-text is thetitletag at the same time. This has been the case on Mastodon before, I think, version 4.4 as well. I guess Mastodon changed that because just about everyone on Mastodon is on phones, and you don't have a mouse cursor on a phone, so you have to long-press on the image which is a not very intuitive thing to do.
Here on Hubzilla where I'm commenting from right now, the alt-text still is thetitletag as well. In order to read an alt-text, the mouse cursor has to be hovered above the image. And Hubzilla has no alternative to its Web interface, only different themes for the Web interface. There is no phone app, at least none worth speaking of.
Also, on Hubzilla, we don't need to use alt-texts to write around character limits. Our character limit is 16,777,215, and that's the maximum size of the database field for the message text. Actually, on Hubzilla, alt-texts are included in these over 16 million characters as opposed to separate data fields. Thus, sighted Hubzilla users have no use for alt-texts whatsoever. Thus, there's no reason to make opening alt-texts easier (as if that was Hubzilla's only UI issue). Thus, there's no "Alt" button, and there will never be one.
It's just about the same just about everywhere else from Misskey (hard-coded 3,000 characters) to Akkoma (configurable 5,000 characters) to Friendica (same limit as Hubzilla) to (streams) and Forte (over 24 million characters) to pure long-form blogging stuff like WordPress, Ghost, Write Freely and Plume.
Now I ask you: What are people supposed to do whose both hands had to be amputated due to some accident? Or people with deformed hands who can neither use a smartphone nor a computer mouse nor a trackball nor any other pointing device on a computer? Who operate their computer with e.g. a headpointer, a plastic stick strapped to their forehead with which they poke the keys on their computer? And who are in the Fediverse, but not on Mastodon? How are they supposed to open an alt-text with only a keyboard as an input device?
Or how about people with a severe tremor? Who have big troubles moving a mouse cursor over an image and then keeping it there because it keeps slipping away? Who probably operate their computers via the keyboard and only the keyboard, too?
Or, a wholly different example, how about those who use Linux with a super-minimalist, keyboard-only tiling window manager? Who do have a GUI (albeit a very frugal one), who do use graphical Web browsers, but who deliberately, intentionaly, do not have any kind of pointing device? Who, nonetheless, are ten times faster with only keyboard shortcuts than you and me are with a mouse? How are they supposed to move a mouse cursor over an image without a mouse?
This is something that many Mastodon users don't know:- Not all Fediverse frontends have an "Alt" button.
- "Alt" buttons make no sense in the non-Mastodon Fediverse. In the non-Mastodon Fediverse, the character limits are so high that nobody has to use alt-texts to write around them. Expanding the character limit with alt-texts is a 100% Mastodon-only thing that simply doesn't translate to places with thousands or millions of characters and never will.
- There are other disabilities out there than visual impairments and neurodivergence. Even in the Fediverse.
- Not everyone in the Fediverse uses a pointing device of whichever sorts.
Oh, and there's one more thing: Misskey and its various forks (Sharkey, Iceshrimp-JS, CherryPick etc.) all have a character limit of 512 for alt-texts. They should enforce it the same way as Mastodon enforces its 1,500-character limit for alt-texts, namely by truncating longer alt-texts. This is bad enough already.
However, they all have the same nasty bug that still hasn't been fixed yet AFAIK: Instead of truncating longer alt-texts, they delete them. So if you describe your image in an alt-text of more than 512 characters, users on Misskey, Sharkey & Co. will never know that your image is supposed to have an alt-text. Instead, they may think that you were too lazy to describe your image. And if you use the alt-text to explain your image in over 512 characters, this explanation will never reach users on Misskey, Sharkey & Co.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #i3 #i3wm #Disability #A11y #Accessibility -
@Tom Cole It is available everywhere AFAIK.
But: The convenient black "Alt" button in the corner is exclusive to Mastodon's Web interface plus maybe a few phone apps that have adopted it since. Technically speaking, a UI element to show alt-texts is completely unnecessary because alt-text is only a stand-in for the image itself, for when the image cannot be seen for whichever reason. The alt-text as an extra source of information is a purely Mastodon thing where people use it to expand their meagre 500-character limit by up to another 6,000 characters.
Just about everywhere else in the Fediverse, there is no button for showing alt-texts. That's also because there's nowhere in the Fediverse where people really need alt-texts to write around their tiny character limits, so that alt-texts can be what alt-texts are literally everywhere outside of Mastodon: a stand-in for the image and nothing more than that.
The normal way in the Fediverse (and other social networks and social media) for sighted people to access an alt-text is by moving the mouse cursor upon the image and hovering in there, and the alt-text pops up. The alt-text is thetitletag at the same time. This has been the case on Mastodon before, I think, version 4.4 as well. I guess Mastodon changed that because just about everyone on Mastodon is on phones, and you don't have a mouse cursor on a phone, so you have to long-press on the image which is a not very intuitive thing to do.
Here on Hubzilla where I'm commenting from right now, the alt-text still is thetitletag as well. In order to read an alt-text, the mouse cursor has to be hovered above the image. And Hubzilla has no alternative to its Web interface, only different themes for the Web interface. There is no phone app, at least none worth speaking of.
Also, on Hubzilla, we don't need to use alt-texts to write around character limits. Our character limit is 16,777,215, and that's the maximum size of the database field for the message text. Actually, on Hubzilla, alt-texts are included in these over 16 million characters as opposed to separate data fields. Thus, sighted Hubzilla users have no use for alt-texts whatsoever. Thus, there's no reason to make opening alt-texts easier (as if that was Hubzilla's only UI issue). Thus, there's no "Alt" button, and there will never be one.
It's just about the same just about everywhere else from Misskey (hard-coded 3,000 characters) to Akkoma (configurable 5,000 characters) to Friendica (same limit as Hubzilla) to (streams) and Forte (over 24 million characters) to pure long-form blogging stuff like WordPress, Ghost, Write Freely and Plume.
Now I ask you: What are people supposed to do whose both hands had to be amputated due to some accident? Or people with deformed hands who can neither use a smartphone nor a computer mouse nor a trackball nor any other pointing device on a computer? Who operate their computer with e.g. a headpointer, a plastic stick strapped to their forehead with which they poke the keys on their computer? And who are in the Fediverse, but not on Mastodon? How are they supposed to open an alt-text with only a keyboard as an input device?
Or how about people with a severe tremor? Who have big troubles moving a mouse cursor over an image and then keeping it there because it keeps slipping away? Who probably operate their computers via the keyboard and only the keyboard, too?
Or, a wholly different example, how about those who use Linux with a super-minimalist, keyboard-only tiling window manager? Who do have a GUI (albeit a very frugal one), who do use graphical Web browsers, but who deliberately, intentionaly, do not have any kind of pointing device? Who, nonetheless, are ten times faster with only keyboard shortcuts than you and me are with a mouse? How are they supposed to move a mouse cursor over an image without a mouse?
This is something that many Mastodon users don't know:- Not all Fediverse frontends have an "Alt" button.
- "Alt" buttons make no sense in the non-Mastodon Fediverse. In the non-Mastodon Fediverse, the character limits are so high that nobody has to use alt-texts to write around them. Expanding the character limit with alt-texts is a 100% Mastodon-only thing that simply doesn't translate to places with thousands or millions of characters and never will.
- There are other disabilities out there than visual impairments and neurodivergence. Even in the Fediverse.
- Not everyone in the Fediverse uses a pointing device of whichever sorts.
Oh, and there's one more thing: Misskey and its various forks (Sharkey, Iceshrimp-JS, CherryPick etc.) all have a character limit of 512 for alt-texts. They should enforce it the same way as Mastodon enforces its 1,500-character limit for alt-texts, namely by truncating longer alt-texts. This is bad enough already.
However, they all have the same nasty bug that still hasn't been fixed yet AFAIK: Instead of truncating longer alt-texts, they delete them. So if you describe your image in an alt-text of more than 512 characters, users on Misskey, Sharkey & Co. will never know that your image is supposed to have an alt-text. Instead, they may think that you were too lazy to describe your image. And if you use the alt-text to explain your image in over 512 characters, this explanation will never reach users on Misskey, Sharkey & Co.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #i3 #i3wm #Disability #A11y #Accessibility -
@Tom Cole It is available everywhere AFAIK.
But: The convenient black "Alt" button in the corner is exclusive to Mastodon's Web interface plus maybe a few phone apps that have adopted it since. Technically speaking, a UI element to show alt-texts is completely unnecessary because alt-text is only a stand-in for the image itself, for when the image cannot be seen for whichever reason. The alt-text as an extra source of information is a purely Mastodon thing where people use it to expand their meagre 500-character limit by up to another 6,000 characters.
Just about everywhere else in the Fediverse, there is no button for showing alt-texts. That's also because there's nowhere in the Fediverse where people really need alt-texts to write around their tiny character limits, so that alt-texts can be what alt-texts are literally everywhere outside of Mastodon: a stand-in for the image and nothing more than that.
The normal way in the Fediverse (and other social networks and social media) for sighted people to access an alt-text is by moving the mouse cursor upon the image and hovering in there, and the alt-text pops up. The alt-text is thetitletag at the same time. This has been the case on Mastodon before, I think, version 4.4 as well. I guess Mastodon changed that because just about everyone on Mastodon is on phones, and you don't have a mouse cursor on a phone, so you have to long-press on the image which is a not very intuitive thing to do.
Here on Hubzilla where I'm commenting from right now, the alt-text still is thetitletag as well. In order to read an alt-text, the mouse cursor has to be hovered above the image. And Hubzilla has no alternative to its Web interface, only different themes for the Web interface. There is no phone app, at least none worth speaking of.
Also, on Hubzilla, we don't need to use alt-texts to write around character limits. Our character limit is 16,777,215, and that's the maximum size of the database field for the message text. Actually, on Hubzilla, alt-texts are included in these over 16 million characters as opposed to separate data fields. Thus, sighted Hubzilla users have no use for alt-texts whatsoever. Thus, there's no reason to make opening alt-texts easier (as if that was Hubzilla's only UI issue). Thus, there's no "Alt" button, and there will never be one.
It's just about the same just about everywhere else from Misskey (hard-coded 3,000 characters) to Akkoma (configurable 5,000 characters) to Friendica (same limit as Hubzilla) to (streams) and Forte (over 24 million characters) to pure long-form blogging stuff like WordPress, Ghost, Write Freely and Plume.
Now I ask you: What are people supposed to do whose both hands had to be amputated due to some accident? Or people with deformed hands who can neither use a smartphone nor a computer mouse nor a trackball nor any other pointing device on a computer? Who operate their computer with e.g. a headpointer, a plastic stick strapped to their forehead with which they poke the keys on their computer? And who are in the Fediverse, but not on Mastodon? How are they supposed to open an alt-text with only a keyboard as an input device?
Or how about people with a severe tremor? Who have big troubles moving a mouse cursor over an image and then keeping it there because it keeps slipping away? Who probably operate their computers via the keyboard and only the keyboard, too?
Or, a wholly different example, how about those who use Linux with a super-minimalist, keyboard-only tiling window manager? Who do have a GUI (albeit a very frugal one), who do use graphical Web browsers, but who deliberately, intentionaly, do not have any kind of pointing device? Who, nonetheless, are ten times faster with only keyboard shortcuts than you and me are with a mouse? How are they supposed to move a mouse cursor over an image without a mouse?
This is something that many Mastodon users don't know:- Not all Fediverse frontends have an "Alt" button.
- "Alt" buttons make no sense in the non-Mastodon Fediverse. In the non-Mastodon Fediverse, the character limits are so high that nobody has to use alt-texts to write around them. Expanding the character limit with alt-texts is a 100% Mastodon-only thing that simply doesn't translate to places with thousands or millions of characters and never will.
- There are other disabilities out there than visual impairments and neurodivergence. Even in the Fediverse.
- Not everyone in the Fediverse uses a pointing device of whichever sorts.
Oh, and there's one more thing: Misskey and its various forks (Sharkey, Iceshrimp-JS, CherryPick etc.) all have a character limit of 512 for alt-texts. They should enforce it the same way as Mastodon enforces its 1,500-character limit for alt-texts, namely by truncating longer alt-texts. This is bad enough already.
However, they all have the same nasty bug that still hasn't been fixed yet AFAIK: Instead of truncating longer alt-texts, they delete them. So if you describe your image in an alt-text of more than 512 characters, users on Misskey, Sharkey & Co. will never know that your image is supposed to have an alt-text. Instead, they may think that you were too lazy to describe your image. And if you use the alt-text to explain your image in over 512 characters, this explanation will never reach users on Misskey, Sharkey & Co.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #i3 #i3wm #Disability #A11y #Accessibility -
@Tom Cole It is available everywhere AFAIK.
But: The convenient black "Alt" button in the corner is exclusive to Mastodon's Web interface plus maybe a few phone apps that have adopted it since. Technically speaking, a UI element to show alt-texts is completely unnecessary because alt-text is only a stand-in for the image itself, for when the image cannot be seen for whichever reason. The alt-text as an extra source of information is a purely Mastodon thing where people use it to expand their meagre 500-character limit by up to another 6,000 characters.
Just about everywhere else in the Fediverse, there is no button for showing alt-texts. That's also because there's nowhere in the Fediverse where people really need alt-texts to write around their tiny character limits, so that alt-texts can be what alt-texts are literally everywhere outside of Mastodon: a stand-in for the image and nothing more than that.
The normal way in the Fediverse (and other social networks and social media) for sighted people to access an alt-text is by moving the mouse cursor upon the image and hovering in there, and the alt-text pops up. The alt-text is thetitletag at the same time. This has been the case on Mastodon before, I think, version 4.4 as well. I guess Mastodon changed that because just about everyone on Mastodon is on phones, and you don't have a mouse cursor on a phone, so you have to long-press on the image which is a not very intuitive thing to do.
Here on Hubzilla where I'm commenting from right now, the alt-text still is thetitletag as well. In order to read an alt-text, the mouse cursor has to be hovered above the image. And Hubzilla has no alternative to its Web interface, only different themes for the Web interface. There is no phone app, at least none worth speaking of.
Also, on Hubzilla, we don't need to use alt-texts to write around character limits. Our character limit is 16,777,215, and that's the maximum size of the database field for the message text. Actually, on Hubzilla, alt-texts are included in these over 16 million characters as opposed to separate data fields. Thus, sighted Hubzilla users have no use for alt-texts whatsoever. Thus, there's no reason to make opening alt-texts easier (as if that was Hubzilla's only UI issue). Thus, there's no "Alt" button, and there will never be one.
It's just about the same just about everywhere else from Misskey (hard-coded 3,000 characters) to Akkoma (configurable 5,000 characters) to Friendica (same limit as Hubzilla) to (streams) and Forte (over 24 million characters) to pure long-form blogging stuff like WordPress, Ghost, Write Freely and Plume.
Now I ask you: What are people supposed to do whose both hands had to be amputated due to some accident? Or people with deformed hands who can neither use a smartphone nor a computer mouse nor a trackball nor any other pointing device on a computer? Who operate their computer with e.g. a headpointer, a plastic stick strapped to their forehead with which they poke the keys on their computer? And who are in the Fediverse, but not on Mastodon? How are they supposed to open an alt-text with only a keyboard as an input device?
Or how about people with a severe tremor? Who have big troubles moving a mouse cursor over an image and then keeping it there because it keeps slipping away? Who probably operate their computers via the keyboard and only the keyboard, too?
Or, a wholly different example, how about those who use Linux with a super-minimalist, keyboard-only tiling window manager? Who do have a GUI (albeit a very frugal one), who do use graphical Web browsers, but who deliberately, intentionaly, do not have any kind of pointing device? Who, nonetheless, are ten times faster with only keyboard shortcuts than you and me are with a mouse? How are they supposed to move a mouse cursor over an image without a mouse?
This is something that many Mastodon users don't know:- Not all Fediverse frontends have an "Alt" button.
- "Alt" buttons make no sense in the non-Mastodon Fediverse. In the non-Mastodon Fediverse, the character limits are so high that nobody has to use alt-texts to write around them. Expanding the character limit with alt-texts is a 100% Mastodon-only thing that simply doesn't translate to places with thousands or millions of characters and never will.
- There are other disabilities out there than visual impairments and neurodivergence. Even in the Fediverse.
- Not everyone in the Fediverse uses a pointing device of whichever sorts.
Oh, and there's one more thing: Misskey and its various forks (Sharkey, Iceshrimp-JS, CherryPick etc.) all have a character limit of 512 for alt-texts. They should enforce it the same way as Mastodon enforces its 1,500-character limit for alt-texts, namely by truncating longer alt-texts. This is bad enough already.
However, they all have the same nasty bug that still hasn't been fixed yet AFAIK: Instead of truncating longer alt-texts, they delete them. So if you describe your image in an alt-text of more than 512 characters, users on Misskey, Sharkey & Co. will never know that your image is supposed to have an alt-text. Instead, they may think that you were too lazy to describe your image. And if you use the alt-text to explain your image in over 512 characters, this explanation will never reach users on Misskey, Sharkey & Co.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #i3 #i3wm #Disability #A11y #Accessibility -
@Tom Cole It is available everywhere AFAIK.
But: The convenient black "Alt" button in the corner is exclusive to Mastodon's Web interface plus maybe a few phone apps that have adopted it since. Technically speaking, a UI element to show alt-texts is completely unnecessary because alt-text is only a stand-in for the image itself, for when the image cannot be seen for whichever reason. The alt-text as an extra source of information is a purely Mastodon thing where people use it to expand their meagre 500-character limit by up to another 6,000 characters.
Just about everywhere else in the Fediverse, there is no button for showing alt-texts. That's also because there's nowhere in the Fediverse where people really need alt-texts to write around their tiny character limits, so that alt-texts can be what alt-texts are literally everywhere outside of Mastodon: a stand-in for the image and nothing more than that.
The normal way in the Fediverse (and other social networks and social media) for sighted people to access an alt-text is by moving the mouse cursor upon the image and hovering in there, and the alt-text pops up. The alt-text is thetitletag at the same time. This has been the case on Mastodon before, I think, version 4.4 as well. I guess Mastodon changed that because just about everyone on Mastodon is on phones, and you don't have a mouse cursor on a phone, so you have to long-press on the image which is a not very intuitive thing to do.
Here on Hubzilla where I'm commenting from right now, the alt-text still is thetitletag as well. In order to read an alt-text, the mouse cursor has to be hovered above the image. And Hubzilla has no alternative to its Web interface, only different themes for the Web interface. There is no phone app, at least none worth speaking of.
Also, on Hubzilla, we don't need to use alt-texts to write around character limits. Our character limit is 16,777,215, and that's the maximum size of the database field for the message text. Actually, on Hubzilla, alt-texts are included in these over 16 million characters as opposed to separate data fields. Thus, sighted Hubzilla users have no use for alt-texts whatsoever. Thus, there's no reason to make opening alt-texts easier (as if that was Hubzilla's only UI issue). Thus, there's no "Alt" button, and there will never be one.
It's just about the same just about everywhere else from Misskey (hard-coded 3,000 characters) to Akkoma (configurable 5,000 characters) to Friendica (same limit as Hubzilla) to (streams) and Forte (over 24 million characters) to pure long-form blogging stuff like WordPress, Ghost, Write Freely and Plume.
Now I ask you: What are people supposed to do whose both hands had to be amputated due to some accident? Or people with deformed hands who can neither use a smartphone nor a computer mouse nor a trackball nor any other pointing device on a computer? Who operate their computer with e.g. a headpointer, a plastic stick strapped to their forehead with which they poke the keys on their computer? And who are in the Fediverse, but not on Mastodon? How are they supposed to open an alt-text with only a keyboard as an input device?
Or how about people with a severe tremor? Who have big troubles moving a mouse cursor over an image and then keeping it there because it keeps slipping away? Who probably operate their computers via the keyboard and only the keyboard, too?
Or, a wholly different example, how about those who use Linux with a super-minimalist, keyboard-only tiling window manager? Who do have a GUI (albeit a very frugal one), who do use graphical Web browsers, but who deliberately, intentionaly, do not have any kind of pointing device? Who, nonetheless, are ten times faster with only keyboard shortcuts than you and me are with a mouse? How are they supposed to move a mouse cursor over an image without a mouse?
This is something that many Mastodon users don't know:- Not all Fediverse frontends have an "Alt" button.
- "Alt" buttons make no sense in the non-Mastodon Fediverse. In the non-Mastodon Fediverse, the character limits are so high that nobody has to use alt-texts to write around them. Expanding the character limit with alt-texts is a 100% Mastodon-only thing that simply doesn't translate to places with thousands or millions of characters and never will.
- There are other disabilities out there than visual impairments and neurodivergence. Even in the Fediverse.
- Not everyone in the Fediverse uses a pointing device of whichever sorts.
Oh, and there's one more thing: Misskey and its various forks (Sharkey, Iceshrimp-JS, CherryPick etc.) all have a character limit of 512 for alt-texts. They should enforce it the same way as Mastodon enforces its 1,500-character limit for alt-texts, namely by truncating longer alt-texts. This is bad enough already.
However, they all have the same nasty bug that still hasn't been fixed yet AFAIK: Instead of truncating longer alt-texts, they delete them. So if you describe your image in an alt-text of more than 512 characters, users on Misskey, Sharkey & Co. will never know that your image is supposed to have an alt-text. Instead, they may think that you were too lazy to describe your image. And if you use the alt-text to explain your image in over 512 characters, this explanation will never reach users on Misskey, Sharkey & Co.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #i3 #i3wm #Disability #A11y #Accessibility -
@Lori_Noctis I've really been loving Regolith, which is an #i3wm desktop that installs on top of Ubuntu and maybe other Debian-ish distros. Tiling window managers are a paradigm shift, a different way of managing your desktop. I love them!
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@Lori_Noctis I've really been loving Regolith, which is an #i3wm desktop that installs on top of Ubuntu and maybe other Debian-ish distros. Tiling window managers are a paradigm shift, a different way of managing your desktop. I love them!
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@Lori_Noctis I've really been loving Regolith, which is an #i3wm desktop that installs on top of Ubuntu and maybe other Debian-ish distros. Tiling window managers are a paradigm shift, a different way of managing your desktop. I love them!
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@Lori_Noctis I've really been loving Regolith, which is an #i3wm desktop that installs on top of Ubuntu and maybe other Debian-ish distros. Tiling window managers are a paradigm shift, a different way of managing your desktop. I love them!
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