#horizonit — Public Fediverse posts
Live and recent posts from across the Fediverse tagged #horizonit, aggregated by home.social.
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Hold out until you can be bought off by the State with some baubles like that previous guy.....
"Will Mellor played me in a TV show and all I got was bankruptcy"
See how Britain works, see how it grinds you down, see how it lies to you and says "things are sorted now, look, everyone is talking" and how that usually leads to nowhere as the State can wait...
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Hold out until you can be bought off by the State with some baubles like that previous guy.....
"Will Mellor played me in a TV show and all I got was bankruptcy"
See how Britain works, see how it grinds you down, see how it lies to you and says "things are sorted now, look, everyone is talking" and how that usually leads to nowhere as the State can wait...
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Hmmm.... a glimmer of hope that after the Post Office Horizon IT scandal & persecution/prosecution of innocent post-masters, there may be some criminal prosecutions of the mangers who perpetrated this injustice... lets hope so; these callous people need to brought down & punished....
However, justice delayed is justice denied, and for many of those affected by these bogus court cases, justice may have come too late, much too late!
#HorizonIT #PostOffice
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/dec/11/police-criminal-inquiry-post-office-horizon-scandal-persons-of-interest -
Hmmm.... a glimmer of hope that after the Post Office Horizon IT scandal & persecution/prosecution of innocent post-masters, there may be some criminal prosecutions of the mangers who perpetrated this injustice... lets hope so; these callous people need to brought down & punished....
However, justice delayed is justice denied, and for many of those affected by these bogus court cases, justice may have come too late, much too late!
#HorizonIT #PostOffice
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/dec/11/police-criminal-inquiry-post-office-horizon-scandal-persons-of-interest -
In a further twist of the knife, its now been revealed that the #PostOffice wrote to the Govt (after the #HorizonIT TV drama stoked outrage) to say they would oppose appeals by around half the #subpostmasters convicted (erroneously) fo 'theft'.
If you wanted an indication of how deeply the PO is in detail about their culpability in the affair this would be it!
It just makes me even more sure that the PO executives concerned need to be held fully to account and punished as the innocents were!
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In a further twist of the knife, its now been revealed that the #PostOffice wrote to the Govt (after the #HorizonIT TV drama stoked outrage) to say they would oppose appeals by around half the #subpostmasters convicted (erroneously) fo 'theft'.
If you wanted an indication of how deeply the PO is in detail about their culpability in the affair this would be it!
It just makes me even more sure that the PO executives concerned need to be held fully to account and punished as the innocents were!
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As if the #PostOffice #HorizonIT scandal was not awful enough, it transpires that PO lawyers used non-disclosure agreements to try to stifle & limit knowledge of the extent of the actions against sub-postmasters.
NDAs have been widely & corrosively used in higher education & other sectors to stifle criticism of senior management, but here they were used to hide the effects of fraudulent actions against sub postmasters & families
The legal profession needs to take a good look at itself!
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As if the #PostOffice #HorizonIT scandal was not awful enough, it transpires that PO lawyers used non-disclosure agreements to try to stifle & limit knowledge of the extent of the actions against sub-postmasters.
NDAs have been widely & corrosively used in higher education & other sectors to stifle criticism of senior management, but here they were used to hide the effects of fraudulent actions against sub postmasters & families
The legal profession needs to take a good look at itself!
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#WesStreeting thinks #technology (by which he seems to mean digital technologies) will make the #NHS more efficient & means we can stop pouring money into a 'leaky bucket'.
Quite apart the vacuity of such techno-boosterism, you would have thought in the wake of the #HorizonIT #Fujitsu disaster, anyone thinking deploying technology is the answer, might want to be more careful.
Many people are watching Mr Streeting & are getting worried about how he thinks about NHS reform!
I'm one of them!
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#WesStreeting thinks #technology (by which he seems to mean digital technologies) will make the #NHS more efficient & means we can stop pouring money into a 'leaky bucket'.
Quite apart the vacuity of such techno-boosterism, you would have thought in the wake of the #HorizonIT #Fujitsu disaster, anyone thinking deploying technology is the answer, might want to be more careful.
Many people are watching Mr Streeting & are getting worried about how he thinks about NHS reform!
I'm one of them!
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As John Naughton (I think rightly) argues, if we treat the #HorizonIT scandal as a scandal then the likelihood of rectifying the underlying problems its exemplifies are limited... its only if we recognise it as a crisis that we might see some change... although he then goes on to explore why (related to #Fujitsu ) that's unlikely.
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As John Naughton (I think rightly) argues, if we treat the #HorizonIT scandal as a scandal then the likelihood of rectifying the underlying problems its exemplifies are limited... its only if we recognise it as a crisis that we might see some change... although he then goes on to explore why (related to #Fujitsu ) that's unlikely.
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Anyone who thinks the route to a just resolution to the #HorizonIT crisis lies with a massive fine & compensation paid by #Fujitsu is letting the UK's political class & legal system off the hook.
Certainly, making Fujitsu pay is a necessary element to a just resolution but it is hardly sufficient.
The political class' scramble for cover will be masked if we focus primarily on the #software itself.
There were/are plenty of people who need to be held to account & only a minority are IT folk!
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Anyone who thinks the route to a just resolution to the #HorizonIT crisis lies with a massive fine & compensation paid by #Fujitsu is letting the UK's political class & legal system off the hook.
Certainly, making Fujitsu pay is a necessary element to a just resolution but it is hardly sufficient.
The political class' scramble for cover will be masked if we focus primarily on the #software itself.
There were/are plenty of people who need to be held to account & only a minority are IT folk!
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@ChrisMayLA6 sadly the #horizonIT scandal was around in various media outlets for some years. I am very angry that so many innocent people suffered for so long. The #postoffice and #ukgovernment spent years covering up the scandal. We should not be at the point where a drama series is the only way for people to get justice. Some have died and others taken their own lives. So it is already too late.
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@ChrisMayLA6 sadly the #horizonIT scandal was around in various media outlets for some years. I am very angry that so many innocent people suffered for so long. The #postoffice and #ukgovernment spent years covering up the scandal. We should not be at the point where a drama series is the only way for people to get justice. Some have died and others taken their own lives. So it is already too late.
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If you've only (relatively) recently become fully aware of the #HorizonIT scandal, #ComputerWeekly have done (for years) some great investigative work to set out the problems & the injustice, fraud & criminal activity perpetrated on the #postmasters.
Here is their guide to the scandal & a great (click-through) list of the ground-breaking journalism on the subject.
[Students, if you're thinking of a dissertation on this, this is a great resource for you]
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If you've only (relatively) recently become fully aware of the #HorizonIT scandal, #ComputerWeekly have done (for years) some great investigative work to set out the problems & the injustice, fraud & criminal activity perpetrated on the #postmasters.
Here is their guide to the scandal & a great (click-through) list of the ground-breaking journalism on the subject.
[Students, if you're thinking of a dissertation on this, this is a great resource for you]
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There's been lots of commentary on the #HorizonIT scandal, but as @kenanmalik points out, at its most basic its a question of who gets listened to, and as scandal after scandal demonstrate our governing class just doesn't listen to ordinary people... unless they featured in a TV drama of course.....
It comes down to a class-based contempt for the 'little people'... our governing class are just callous!
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There's been lots of commentary on the #HorizonIT scandal, but as @kenanmalik points out, at its most basic its a question of who gets listened to, and as scandal after scandal demonstrate our governing class just doesn't listen to ordinary people... unless they featured in a TV drama of course.....
It comes down to a class-based contempt for the 'little people'... our governing class are just callous!
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In every story of injustice perpetrated by powerful organisations, there comes a moment when the whistleblowers are transformed from pesky annoyances who must be crushed to national heroes who must be lauded & recognised;
sometimes that happens in years, sometimes in decades & in some case only posthumously.
The #horizonIT scandal is crossing that rubicon right now with #AlanBates its hero, but there are so many other scandals that have not reached this point.
Its a sad indictment of the UK
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In every story of injustice perpetrated by powerful organisations, there comes a moment when the whistleblowers are transformed from pesky annoyances who must be crushed to national heroes who must be lauded & recognised;
sometimes that happens in years, sometimes in decades & in some case only posthumously.
The #horizonIT scandal is crossing that rubicon right now with #AlanBates its hero, but there are so many other scandals that have not reached this point.
Its a sad indictment of the UK
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In the fast developing media landscape of the commentariat, already a classic which do you prefer Q. is gaining traction:
Alan Bates (of the #HorizonIT scandal) or #MichelleMone (of #PPE and #SLAPP fame)?
Perhaps most clearly this is a Q. for the legal system that has facilitated & aided Mone in her attempts to avoid scrutiny of he profiteering from #Covid, while getting in the way of Bates seeking (and now starting to gain) justice.
the #RuleofLaw is not so shiny right now...
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In the fast developing media landscape of the commentariat, already a classic which do you prefer Q. is gaining traction:
Alan Bates (of the #HorizonIT scandal) or #MichelleMone (of #PPE and #SLAPP fame)?
Perhaps most clearly this is a Q. for the legal system that has facilitated & aided Mone in her attempts to avoid scrutiny of he profiteering from #Covid, while getting in the way of Bates seeking (and now starting to gain) justice.
the #RuleofLaw is not so shiny right now...
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Here's @davidallengreen on the legal context of the #HorizonIT scandal, focussing on a number of key issues from the presumption of computer evidence's veracity, to the problem with private prosecutions....
This is an excellent (and as always well-informed) digest of how the #PostOffice used (and was mostly advantaged) by a legal system that it used to hound & prosecute those it actually knew were not at fault.
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Here's @davidallengreen on the legal context of the #HorizonIT scandal, focussing on a number of key issues from the presumption of computer evidence's veracity, to the problem with private prosecutions....
This is an excellent (and as always well-informed) digest of how the #PostOffice used (and was mostly advantaged) by a legal system that it used to hound & prosecute those it actually knew were not at fault.
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So #RishiSunak is rushing through emergency legislation to quash the remaining convictions in the #HorizonIT scandal....
Its pretty clear that this has been prompted not by the years of campaigning, not by the #publicinquiry (although that has helped), but by a TV drama.
What this tells you is this isn't about 'recognising' the massive suffering among those wrongly convicted & fraudulently robbed of money by the #postoffice
No, like so much UK #politics, its all about the 'optics'!
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So #RishiSunak is rushing through emergency legislation to quash the remaining convictions in the #HorizonIT scandal....
Its pretty clear that this has been prompted not by the years of campaigning, not by the #publicinquiry (although that has helped), but by a TV drama.
What this tells you is this isn't about 'recognising' the massive suffering among those wrongly convicted & fraudulently robbed of money by the #postoffice
No, like so much UK #politics, its all about the 'optics'!
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The warnings on #HorizonIT were already there in 2003!
But, the reports were investigated not by independent analysts but by PO & #Fujitsu employees. And as we know 'marking your own homework' seldom produces a proper account of problems!
Twenty years later & countless lives ruined, the early concerns have been confirmed.
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Over six years after the #GrenfellTowerfire the remediation of faulty & dangerous #building materials remains desperately slow, with building contractors dragging their feet, and Govt. slow to act.
However, when compared with the #HorizonIT & #infectedblood scandals, it reinforces the picture of UK #political #inequality;
when normal people are effected the socio-legal systems of sanction & restitution are slow to move & usually incomplete!
Powerlessness is fatal!
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Over six years after the #GrenfellTowerfire the remediation of faulty & dangerous #building materials remains desperately slow, with building contractors dragging their feet, and Govt. slow to act.
However, when compared with the #HorizonIT & #infectedblood scandals, it reinforces the picture of UK #political #inequality;
when normal people are effected the socio-legal systems of sanction & restitution are slow to move & usually incomplete!
Powerlessness is fatal!
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Gwyneth Hughes spent three years on the four-part tv drama Mr Bates vs the Post Office.
The response has included a statement in parliament on Monday and more than 1 million members of the public signing a petition demanding the former #PostOffice boss Paula Vennells be stripped of her #CBE.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/jan/09/post-office-scandal-tv-drama-horizon
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Well, well, well, someone does have a shred of shame over the #PostOffice #HorizonIT scandal... it seems Paula Vennells is handing back her CBE.
Its a small (if significant) step in the right direction.... now the convictions must be quashed & the victims exonerated & compensated, before the criminals & fraudsters in the PO & at #Fujitsu are properly punished.
Only then can we say justice (belatedly) has been done!
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Well, well, well, someone does have a shred of shame over the #PostOffice #HorizonIT scandal... it seems Paula Vennells is handing back her CBE.
Its a small (if significant) step in the right direction.... now the convictions must be quashed & the victims exonerated & compensated, before the criminals & fraudsters in the PO & at #Fujitsu are properly punished.
Only then can we say justice (belatedly) has been done!
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The FT is right, alongside the injustice of the #HorizonIT scandal, its likely to have a significant negative impact on the #RuleofLaw in this courtney:
'The human suffering caused by the Horizon scandal has dented citizens’ belief that the courts & public authorities will protect them from abuse by those in authority. Speeding up action to provide redress is vital to rebuild that confidence — and to deter other organisations, public or private, from ever behaving in similar fashion again'!
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@ChrisMayLA6
#Sunak obviously hoping for some political traction if he supports this. Unfortunately, the million plus people who signed this petition know exactly where the blame lies. If it hadn't been for the tv program he would have completed ignored it. -
#RishiSunak has now backed a review of #PaulaVennells CBE after the growing publicity & anger at the #HorizonIT scandal & the role of senior Post Office management in the miscarriage(s) of justice...
Well, that's one petition I've signed that has had a relatively quick result!
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#RishiSunak has now backed a review of #PaulaVennells CBE after the growing publicity & anger at the #HorizonIT scandal & the role of senior Post Office management in the miscarriage(s) of justice...
Well, that's one petition I've signed that has had a relatively quick result!
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So after a #publicinquiry, a much watched TV series & years of campaigning, a blanket exoneration is being explored by the Govt. this week as a major move on the #PostOffice #HorizonIT scandal.
For those of us following this case for years, the key Q. is why has it taken so ling for the mendacity of the PO & #Fujitsu to be fully unmasked....
this scandal is all too emblematic of what happens when normal individuals come up against the power of the state, its managers & large #corporations!
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So after a #publicinquiry, a much watched TV series & years of campaigning, a blanket exoneration is being explored by the Govt. this week as a major move on the #PostOffice #HorizonIT scandal.
For those of us following this case for years, the key Q. is why has it taken so ling for the mendacity of the PO & #Fujitsu to be fully unmasked....
this scandal is all too emblematic of what happens when normal individuals come up against the power of the state, its managers & large #corporations!
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@davidallengreen has started a series of posts on the legalities of the #postoffice #HorizonIT scandal; the first includes an interesting observation.
In 1982 Sect.69 of PACE set out that: 'it was for the prosecution to show that the computer was operating correctly & not for the defendant to show that computer was not operating correctly'!
But, section 69 was repealed in 1999... but think how the PO case against #postmasters might have gone if hadn't been repealed?