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  1. Eavan Boland and the emergence of a poetic self

    I picked up Object Lessons (1995) by Eavan Boland (1944–2020) thinking it was a memoir, but it’s more focused than that: a meditation on the emergence of her identity as a poet, specifically a woman poet and an Irish poet.

    This identity is further complicated by her emigration from Ireland as a five-year-old girl when her father, a diplomat, took up work in London in the mid-20th century:

    Hardly anything else that happened to me as a child was as important as this: that I left one country and came to another. That an ordinary displacement made an extraordinary distance between the word place and the word mine.

    In England, everyday words reinforced her sense of difference and lack: ‘They [the other children at school] could say “orchard” instead of “garden” with the offhand grace imparted by nine-tenths of the law. I could not.’ But it would be an Irish English word that crystallized her alienation:

    The inevitable happened. One day my tongue betrayed me out of dream and counterfeit into cold truth. I was in the cloakroom at school in the middle of the afternoon. A winter darkness was already gathering through one of the stubborn fogs of the time. A teacher was marshaling children here and there, dividing those who were taking buses from those who were being collected. “I amn’t taking the bus,” I said. I was six or seven then, still within earshot of another way of speaking. But the English do not use that particular construction. It is an older usage. If they contract the verb and the negative, they say, “I’m not.”

    Without knowing, I had used that thing for which the English reserve a visceral dislike: their language, loaded and aimed by the old enemy. The teacher whirled around. She corrected my grammar; her face set, her tone cold. “You’re not in Ireland now” was what she said.

    This account elaborates on Boland’s description of the incident in her poem ‘An Irish Childhood in England: 1951’, which I excerpted in a 2014 post about the Irish use of amn’t.

    In her mid-teens Boland returned to live in Ireland and began to explore the inchoate sense of Irishness from which she felt semi-estranged:

    Language. At first this was what I lacked. Not just the historic speech of my country. I lacked that too, but so did others. This was a deeper loss; I returned to find that my vocabulary of belonging was missing. The street names, the meeting places—it was not just that I did not know them. It was something more. I had never known them. I had lost not only a place but the past that goes with it and, with it, the clues from which to construct a present self.

    I had to learn a new sensory idiom. A fog in the mouth, for example, which was different from the London one: less gritty, with more of an ocean aftertaste. An unkempt greenness on the streets. A drizzle which was interseasonal, constant. Different trees. Different birds.

    Nurturing this idiom, she found, years later, that ‘language can reclaim location’, a beautifully concise expression of this insight.

    It was not just Irish English with which Boland familiarized herself. In her final year in school she was struggling with Latin, resentful of its difficulty. Then came a turning point:

    It was something about the economy of it all: the way the ablative absolute gathered and compressed time. One day, again figuratively, it was a burdensome piece of grammar. The next, with hardly any warning, it was a messenger with quick heels and a bright face. I hardly knew what had happened. I began to respect, however grudgingly, the systems of a language which could make such constructs that, although I had no such words for it, they stood against the disorders of love or history. They had left the mouth of the centurion and entered the mind of a Sicilian farm worker. They had forged alliances and named stars. And at that point of my adolescence, where the words I wrote on a page were nothing but inexact, the precision and force of these constructs began to seem both moving and healing.

    As Boland developed her poetic ability and her confidence in its effect, she found herself entering a heavily male tradition. There were pivotal encounters with avatars of that tradition: with Padraic Colum at an elevator; with Patrick Kavanagh in a café in Dublin (his style of speech ‘shy and apocalyptic’).

    But the constraints of history and structural intransigence pressed tight:

    Gradually the anomaly of my poetic existence was clear to me. By luck, or its absence, I had been born in a country where and at a time when the word woman and the word poet inhabited two separate kingdoms of experience and expression. I could not, it seemed, live in both. As the author of poems I was an equal partner in Irish poetry. As a woman—about to set out on the life which was the passive object of many of those poems—I had no voice. It had been silenced, ironically enough, by the very powers of language I aspired to and honored.

    Object Lessons abounds in eloquent, carefully honed ideas about womanhood and nationhood and the complications of a poetic self at their intersections. For this post I’ve selected just a few language-themed passages; if they appeal to you, you’ll enjoy Boland’s book.

    #amnT #books #EavanBoland #gender #HibernoEnglish #identity #Ireland #IrishBooks #IrishEnglish #irishLiterature #IrishPoetry #languageAndGender #literature #poetry #words #writers #writing
  2. "Agin" = "against" is a feature of colloquial Irish English. Hence the joke "He who is not for us is a Guinness" ["agin us"], and the dialect word "aginner": one who opposes or begrudges something

    #dialect #words #IrishEnglish #HibernoEnglish #language #puns

  3. Has anyone in the history of #HibernoEnglish or #BritishEnglish ever used the word "cheque" to mean "the bill at a restaurant" or am I looking at a writer of #AmericanEnglish trying & failing at setting their scene outside of the US?
    Kudos to them for Europeanifying the word "check" I suppose, but also an editor probably should have caught this. Do they still exist, editors?

  4. Reading this I’m struck by how much the Irish have in common with Nigerians, and left wondering if Irish students are having to modify their use of English because of AI “detectors” too. #delve #paulgraham #hibernoenglish medium.com/@moyosoreale/the-pa

  5. Always wondered if the Irish phrase "make a hames of" (="make a mess of") came directly from the horse's mouth, so to speak. Found support for that origin in Tom Phelan's memoir, and updated this old post:

    stancarey.wordpress.com/2012/1

    #language #etymology #idioms #words #IrishEnglish #HibernoEnglish

  6. ‘Lucky might get going all of a sudden. Then we’d be banjaxed.’ (Samuel Beckett, Waiting for Godot)

    Banjaxed and bockety are a fun pair of words in the Irish English vernacular. Banjaxed I heard from an early age; bockety was not in my west-of-Ireland dialect, but I adopted it later for occasional use.

    The words have similar but distinct meanings.

    If something is banjaxed, it’s ruined, broken, confounded, or shattered (including in the ‘tired’ sense; cf. killed in Irish slang). It’s often applied to damaged or destroyed machines – vehicles, phones, computers, household appliances – or their parts. It can apply to people, if they’re injured or drunk, for example, or to abstractions like plans or systems.

    If something is bockety, it’s physically unsteady, impaired, or imperfect. It’s more likely to be usable than if it’s banjaxed: a bockety chair or bicycle might wobble but function, whereas a banjaxed one is not to be trusted, if it can be used at all. Body parts are often bockety too. I’ll return to this word later.

    This car in David Mach‘s installation The Oligarch’s Nightmare, pictured at the Galway Arts Festival 2023, is well and truly banjaxed. And that wheel looks fierce bockety.

    The origins of banjaxed (occasionally bandjaxed) are uncertain. The OED says it was ‘perhaps originally Dublin slang’, which doesn’t get us far, while the Oxford Dictionary of Modern Slang speculates that it was formed by association with banged, bashed, and smashed. Maybe.

    Green’s Dictionary of Slang suggests that the noun banjax was a semi-euphemism of ballocks. Dave Wilton, at Wordorigins.org, writes that it’s a short leap from ballocks as a verb meaning ‘make a mess’ to banjax with a similar sense. (See my post on ballocks/bollocks/bollox/bollix at Strong Language for more on that word.)

    Banjax(ed) has always felt vaguely rude to me, bordering obscurely on vulgarity; etymology might underlie this feeling. There’s also a bilingual pun about banjax being the ladies’ toilet, since bean /’bæn/ is Irish Gaelic for ‘woman’, and jacks is Irish English slang for ‘bathroom’.

    The noun banjax, which may predate the verb, appears in Seán Ó Casey’s 1920s play Juno and the Paycock: ‘I’m tellin’ you the scholar, Bentham, made a banjax o’ th’ Will.’ Wiktionary defines it as ‘a mess or undesirable situation made as a result of incompetence’ – I’d qualify the subordinate phrase with a ‘sometimes’.

    Banjax (v.) appears in a few major dictionaries, including Merriam-Webster, American Heritage, Green’s, and Collins, which notes the common connotations of incompetence. It usually occurs in the form banjaxed (i.e., as a past participle or participial adjective). Some Irish writers are especially fond of it, like Edna O’Brien:

    Van Gogh knew a thing or two, but think what it did to his brain, banjaxed it. (Johnny I Hardly Knew You)

    ‘Emma had suggested that you hide, said your presence might banjax her position.’ (A Pagan Place)

    ‘Say the separating machine got banjaxed up at the creamery,’ Morgan said. (‘Tough Men’, in The Love Object)

    and Flann O’Brien:

    The torture had him banjaxed altogether. (The Hard Life)

    ‘Michael Gilhaney,’ said the Sergeant, ‘is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principle of the Atomic Theory. Would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?’ (The Third Policeman)

    They drive away the roller and here is his black heart sitting there as large as life in the middle of the pulp of his banjaxed corpse. They couldn’t crush his heart! (At Swim-Two-Birds)

    Green’s has further citations, mostly from Irish writers.

    Mark Davies’s GloWbE corpus highlights banjax* as an example of Irish dialect: 59 of its 77 hits are from Irish English, 52 of them for banjaxed. And of the 16 British ones, several are duplicates or appear on Arseblog, a blog about Arsenal football club written by an Irishman.

    Banjaxed shows up in Scottish English too, sometimes in high-profile places. In the rebooted Star Trek film from 2009, Scotty describes the shield emitters as ‘totally banjaxed’.

    Banjaxed objects in GloWbE include body parts (my arm, my right knee, her knees, Robbie Keane’s Achilles heel), machines and tech (websites, rental bikes, a car), and physical objects (bed, door lock). Anatomical/medical references proved popular in the pandemic, as the Coronavirus Corpus shows:

    I was as banjaxed by the coronavirus as anyone else. [source, NZ]

    But there undoubtedly are a number of people whose lives have been banjaxed by the thing. [source]

    That means tens of thousands of those will go on to be rendered banjaxed by Long Covid. [source]

    Most of all, abstract entities are banjaxed, often of a political or structural nature: Ireland, the country, the economy, our banking system, the country’s accounts, etc. Country is the most frequent collocate: ‘the country is banjaxed’, ‘the party that banjaxed the country’, etc.

    Finally, a fun piece of trivia: banjaxed was Terry Wogan’s favourite word:

    Which explains this:

    *

    Now for bockety. Loaned directly from Irish bacaidí /’bɑkəd̪i/, it’s a synonym of bacach /’bɑkəx/, both of which, as far as I know, can function as an adjective, meaning ‘lame’, ‘halting’, ‘imperfect’, or as a noun, meaning ‘lame person’ (or ‘mean person’, ‘sponger’, etc.).

    The adjectival use of bockety is more common, and is the only use listed in the OED. The first of two closely related senses is dated to 1842, the second to 1902, though I doubt that’s the final word:

    1. Of a person: unable to walk without difficulty; infirm, lame. Also of a body part: injured, impaired.

    2. That has fallen into a state of disrepair; likely to fall apart or break down; rickety, ramshackle.

    A search on Irish forum boards.ie shows the popularity of reference to body parts: there are bockety legs, knees, feet, hips, backs, ovaries, heads, teeth, and entire bodies. There’s often a sense of long-term impairment or gradual deterioration, whereas a banjaxed body part tends to indicate a more sudden or severe injury. At least that’s my intuition.

    Bockety often refers to everyday objects, such as wheels, bicycles, furniture, or other parts of a home that have fallen into disrepair but may remain functional. If only barely: Mary McAleese, president of Ireland in 1997–2011, writes in her memoir of ‘a bockety office chair’ that would ‘lurch suddenly to the left and throw me onto the floor’.

    OED aside, bockety is absent from mainstream dictionaries but appears in Irish English ones, whose examples refer to a bockety sign, chair leg, and hay rick (A Dictionary of Hiberno-English by T.P. Dolan) and a bockety wardrobe, pig’s bladder (used as a football), and hoor (a quasi-derogatory term usually applied to men) (Slanguage by Bernard Share).

    I last saw it in the wild a few weeks ago, when I caught up on a long, comic article about the Metaverse in New York Magazine by Paul Murray, author of the award-winning Skippy Dies and The Bee Sting:

    . . . the unlovable lo-fi graphics and interpersonal randomness can give Horizon Worlds a kind of a perverse, bockety charm. Unlike Twitter or Instagram, there’s no scope to broadcast your brand here; everybody’s just thrown together, like at a ’90s music festival with no music.

    Other examples that I’ve seen by Irish authors include:

    The door had been wedged open by a bockety chair on which was sellotaped a hand-scrawled sign: ART THIS WAY. (Doireann Ní Ghríofa, A Ghost in the Throat)

    I won’t see you riding your bockedy bike (Pat Ingoldsby, ‘For Hughie’, in Salty Water)

    . . . we were admitted to a room that felt like an oul’ one’s tiny parlour: a red formica-topped table, a couple of battered kitchen chairs, the smell of cooking oil and boiled cabbage and stale smoke, an old Bakelite radio set on a bocketty occasional table.” (Declan Hughes, All the Dead Voices)

    You may have noticed the three spellings (bockety, bockedy, bocketty) in those three uses: a not unusual degree of variation in an anglicized Irish loanword – see my post on mar dhea for notes on this.

    GloWbE has just 4 hits for bockety (none for the variant spellings), referring to spectacles, roads, and pop music (bockety pop is a microgenre I’m unfamiliar with). The iWeb corpus has 18, though 8 refer to the Sarah Argent play The Bockety World of Henry & Bucket, about ‘two friends who live in a bockety world of discarded objects’.

    Also featured in iWeb are a bockety shopping cart, table, framework, cage, beads, stairs, mobile phone, and bicycle – which is banjaxed too: Róisín Ingle’s Irish Times article on cycling begins thus:

    I’ve been freewheeling around Dublin town since the red letter day aged eight or nine when I inherited a thoroughly banjaxed third-hand bike that once had belonged to several older brothers or sisters. It was blue and bockety, the saddle leather battered and worn, the chain creaky and in need of a good dose of 3-in-1 oil, but it was mine, all mine.

    Which brings us full, bockety circle. To see us out, here’s a video of a dog named Bockety and their pal helping a farmer plant potatoes in County Kerry. Absolute full marks for Irishness.

    https://stancarey.wordpress.com/2024/03/15/banjaxed-and-bockety-words-in-ireland/

    #000000 #banjax #banjaxed #bockety #dialect #etymology #HibernoEnglish #Ireland #IrishEnglish #IrishLanguage #IrishSlang #language #slang #words

  7. Does anyone know if that is St John's wort? Only one other occurrence in the Schools' Collection. #folklore #asgaeilge #gaeilge #SchoolsCollection #HibernoEnglish
    duchas.ie/en/cbes/stories?Sear
    Is it some weird Hiberno-English mix of mo ("my") + guard, like "my protector"?

  8. Someone one asked me how's the kids and I said 'sure you would be tired' and then though I've no idea how to express that thought in non #HibernoEnglish #MastoDaoine

  9. Week 45, 2023: What @[email protected] album languages grew the most this week?

    The craic approaches ninety as the Irish rise to the top yet again. 🥇🇮🇪🎉

    📊 #Wikidata 🎶🎵 #ExMusica @[email protected] #HibernoEnglish #IrishEnglish #Hibs

  10. You say 'I wouldn't darken their door' about someone you dislike but if you say 'I'd darken their door' it sounds like a threat
    #MastoDaoine #hibernoenglish is odd

  11. Week 27, 2023: What @[email protected] album languages grew the most this week?

    The Irish make their debut at #1, good craic! 🥇🇮🇪🎉

    📊 #Wikidata 🎶🎵 #ExMusica @[email protected] #HibernoEnglish #ThePipes #ThePipes #AreCalling

  12. #HibernoEnglish question:
    Is the spelling "Safetey" a legitimate variation for "safety" in #HibernoEnglish? I noticed it written on a monument in our local park, and I'm curious if it's a typo or if it's a normal way to spell "safety" in #Ireland.

  13. I was talking to someone the other day and they said "I would have loven to be there".

    "loven", not "loved". It didn't strike me as at all unusual, because I'm pretty sure that I would have said the same thing at one time.

    Is this a #Dublin usage, #HibernoEnglish, or just an older form of an English past-participle that isn't heard much anymore?

    @stancarey
    #MastoDaoine #Ireland

  14. @SimonB @ColinTheMathmo

    Definitely means that you caught the train in #HibernoEnglish

  15. CW: Lewd translation between Hiberno English and Gàidhlig

    Someone definitely said 'come sit on my langar' and had to walk it back.

    Couch my hoop. 😆

    #Gàidhlig #HibernoEnglish #Irish #Ireland

  16. @rickriordan

    The Hiberno-English equivalent is "browned off"

    focloir.ie/en/dictionary/ei/br

    she's feeling a bit browned off - tá sí ag mothú rud beag dubh dóite
    I got browned off with it - d'éirigh mé dubh dóite de

    #Gaeilge #HibernoEnglish

  17. A grand Irish usage

    In Irish English, the word grand has the familiar meanings: impressive, magnificent, high-ranking, very large, etc. – size being etymologically salient – but its most common use is in the dialectal sense ‘OK, fine, satisfactory’. As such it often appears in brief, affirmative replies:

    How’s it going?
    Grand, thanks.

    Was the sea cold?
    It was grand.

    How did the interview go?
    I got on grand.

    I’ll pick you up in an hour.
    Grand.

    I’m sorry about that.
    Ah no, you’re grand. [Don’t worry about it.]

    This use of grand is so routine and prevalent in Ireland that it’s virtually a state of mind (and hence popular in T-shirt designs and the like). This comes in handy for understatement in injurious situations:

    News site TheJournal.ie makes frequent use of grand in its story tags, such as ‘grand job’ (OK, fine), ‘grand so’ (OK, fine), ‘sure it’s grand’ (it’s fine, it’ll do), and ‘be grand’ (It’ll be grand, i.e., It’ll do fine). It also puts it in headlines:

    Grand has more strongly positive connotations in some contexts, such as the popular phrase grand stretch, referring to the longer evenings in spring and summer. Here’s an Irish Examiner piece:

    The closeness of these senses is apparent in the OED, which categorizes them together (A11a) as a colloquial usage ‘historically commoner in North American, Scottish, Irish English, and English regional usage than in standard British English’. It defines it thus:

    Used as a general term to express strong admiration, approval, or gratification: magnificent, splendid; excellent; highly enjoyable. Also: (in weakened use, chiefly Irish English) satisfactory, fine, all right. Also in ironic use.

    The OED separates off sense A11b, limiting it to people’s state of being: ‘well, in good health. Frequently in negative contexts.’

    Use of grand can stray into ambiguity. If you offer someone dessert and they say ‘Grand’, it means they accept – though without particular enthusiasm. If they say ‘You’re grand’ or ‘I’m grand’, they don’t. (Often, though, declining a first offer is just politeness; offer again, with more encouragement, and they may well accept. ‘Ah, go on, so.’)

    Flaw in Hibero-English that yes and no ("grand" vs "I'm grand") virtually indistinguishable. Just accepted lift offer and person drove off.

    — Eoin Butler 🇵🇸 (@eoinbutler) April 17, 2013

    Ambiguity between the main standard sense (‘impressive, magnificent’) and the main Irish sense (‘OK, acceptable’) can also arise, as it did momentarily for me when I read these lines in The Enemy by Lee Child:

    We found the O Club without any trouble. It occupied half of one of the ground-floor wings of the main building. It was a grand space, with high ceilings and intricate plaster mouldings.

    Irish English dictionaries’ treatments of grand are worth noting. Here are three reputable sources:

    Brewer’s Dictionary of Irish Phrase and Fable, by Sean McMahon and Jo O’Donoghue, sums up the Irish usage as indicating ‘modest satisfaction’, adding that it’s also used (as in standard dialects) ‘as a synonym of “posh”, with an implication of snobbery: “She’s very grand.”’

    The late Terry Dolan’s Dictionary of Hiberno-English says the adjective is ‘used very widely in HE to indicate a general sense of wellbeing’, and cites Shay Healy (Irish Daily Mail, 23 December 2009) describing it as ‘a powerful word that can confirm the truth or varnish a lie in a way that keeps the social wheels permanently oiled’.

    Bernard Share, in Slanguage, defines grand as ‘fine, first-class, all right’ and quotes two instructive examples: ‘Generally, in their marriage, they got on. “Fine, not great, but grand”, she repeatedly summed up the four years of their relationship’ (Nell McCafferty, Sunday Tribune, 1996); ‘Happiness is not a condition that a normal Irish person ever recognises. Being “grand” is the most we aspire to’ (Frank McNally, Irish Times, 2007).

    If you’re Irish, or an Irish English speaker, this use of grand is probably an intrinsic feature of your dialect. If you’re not, and you hear it used but are uncertain how it’s intended, my advice is to not worry. It’ll be grand.

    [more posts on Irish English]

    #adjectives #dialect #grand #grandStretch #HibernoEnglish #Ireland #IrishEnglish #language #pragmatics #semantics #usage #words

  18. A characteristic feature of English grammar in Ireland is the so-called after perfect, also known as the hot news perfect or the immediate perfective. Popular throughout Ireland yet unfamiliar to most users of English elsewhere, it’s an idiosyncratic structure that emerged by calquing Irish grammar onto English. It has also undergone some curious changes over time.

    The after perfect normally expresses perfect tense, using after to indicate that something occurred in the recent or immediate past, relative to the time of speaking or reference. It uses a form of the verb be, followed by after, then usually a verb in the progressive tense. BE + AFTER + [VERB]ING. I’m after meeting them means I met them a short time ago.

    So I’m after summarising the after perfect. Now for some detail.

    Past tense be-forms work too, so the after perfect can correspond to the past perfect (aka pluperfect). Instead of We had just arrived, an Irish person may say We were just after arriving. Just, only, and only just are often added to stress recency: We’re just after eating means we finished eating just moments ago. Be after can also license a noun phrase: Let her rest – she’s only after a swim. Or: I’ve no room for dessert yet – I’m just after dinner.

    Robert Burchfield’s Modern English Usage, rare for a usage guide, has an entry on the construction, describing it as ‘unknown’ outside what he calls Anglo-Irish. P.W. Joyce, in English As We Speak It In Ireland, writes that neither present nor past tense form ‘would be understood by an Englishman, although they are universal in Ireland, even among the higher and educated classes’. Note, though, that modern sources label it informal.

    I said that it comes from Irish: on this point linguists are agreed. This is because the language has no direct equivalent of have. Translating I have just done it into Irish involves be and one of several phrases meaning after, e.g.: Tá mé tar éis é a dhéanamh, or Tá mé i ndiaidh é a dhéanamh, both of which literally mean I am after doing it. (The underlined phrases mean after, as do iar and a haithle.)

    Here are a few examples of the after perfect I’ve come across in Irish literature:

    ‘I’m after being in at the mart and the price of sheep is a holy scandal.’ (Claire Keegan, ‘Men and Women’, in Antarctica)

    If we were after having some wet weather the earth would be damp and clammy, clinging to boots, knees and hands. (Alice Taylor, To School Through the Fields)

    It’s after upsetting him more than anything ever upset him before in all our lives. (Donal Ryan, The Thing About December)

    I shuddered when the shadow fell over me. Hickey laughed, his breath a white plume on the chilly air. ‘Is someone after walking across your grave?’ (Claire Kilroy, The Devil I Know)

    ‘When you get a bit of heat at all like the heat we’re after getting today,’ he said, ‘the man below do be swimmin’ in his own melt.’ (Kevin Barry, ‘White Hitachi’, in Dark Lies the Island)

    A small stone circle (c.1200 BC) I’m after seeing near Woodford in south Galway. Not pictured: two skittish deer that bounded away without delay.

    About those changes I mentioned. In contemporary Irish English, the after perfect nearly always refers to recent events (or recent relative to the point of reference). But centuries ago it commonly referred to the future, e.g. ‘[my heart] will be after breaking outright’ for ‘will break’. Even Irish people who use the idiom routinely may not know this; none that I asked did.

    The switch from future to past reference occurred over the 18th and 19th centuries, following patterns in Irish, resulting in what Ailbhe Ó Corráin calls a ‘profound functional shift’ in his detailed historical discussion ‘On the “After Perfect” in Irish and Hiberno-English’ (PDF). He describes a wide range of types and uses of the after perfect, and shows how:

    the various functions assignable to the early Hiberno-English AFP [after perfect] may be derived from attestable uses in earlier stages of Irish. . . . What is particularly remarkable is that the evolution of the AFP in Irish (now with tar éis, i ndiaidh) is mirrored by the evolution of the AFP in HE.

    Jeffrey Kallen, in his paper ‘The English language in Ireland’ (PDF), has helpful insights into the after perfect’s extended uses and pragmatic functions in modern Hiberno-English:

    Speech act status and social closeness have a role to play in uses of the after perfect, since after perfects frequently occur in situations where the speaker draws attention to an event that is known to the listener but which forms the focus of chastisement, e.g. You’re after breakin the gate!. O’Keeffe and Amador Moreno (2009) similarly emphasise the function of ‘scolding’, including ‘self-inflicted or self-deprecating’ utterances with the after perfect.

    He argues that the ‘chastising and self-critical’ uses of the after perfect in Hiberno-English ‘would not have the same pragmatic effect if rendered with the regular English have perfect’.

    As with other Hiberno-English features, such as amn’t and haitch, the after perfect is subject to occasional censure. Years ago, on her Irish Times arts blog, Fiona McCann wrote: ‘Hilary Mantel’s Wolf Hall is after winning the Booker prize’. A reader, Mimi, queried the idiom, Fiona explained it, but Mimi was unimpressed: ‘As I thought then, grammatically incorrect! . . . sounds a bit “Irish” to me’. Wrote the Irish Times reader.

    Lest there be any uncertainty: the after perfect is grammatically impeccable, though not standard English. Every dialect has its own grammar, none more correct or advanced than any other. Standard English is one such dialect, socially privileged but not linguistically superior. People are often confused on this point, and may use grammar as a pretext for expressing suspicion or dislike of a group of people.

    But I’m after getting sidetracked.

    You may have noticed the potential for ambiguity. The peculiarly Hiberno-English use of after can produce phrases that are legitimate in standard English but carry a different meaning: where after conveys the idea of wanting or seeking something. Reader Adrian Morgan reports an example he overheard in Australia, while T.P. Dolan’s Dictionary of Hiberno-English quotes one from George Birmingham’s The Lighter Side of Irish Life (1912):

    An Englishman who had settled in Ireland once related to me a conversation which he had with an Irish servant. ‘Mary,’ he said, ‘will you please light the fire in my study?’ ‘I’m just after lighting it,’ she replied. ‘Then do it at once,’ he said. ‘Don’t I tell you, sir,’ she said, ‘that I’m just after doing it?’

    Nor is it just anecdotal. Shane Walshe’s Irish English as Represented in Film cites a study by Harris (1982) in which groups of native HibE speakers and native BrE speakers were asked the meaning of the line I’m after getting a cup of tea. 143 out of 145 of the Irish English group understood it to mean the person had just got a cup of tea; 51 of 63 BrE speakers understood it as an expression of desire for a cuppa.

    Speaking of which, I’m after making a fresh pot. Is anyone after a cup, in either sense?

    Update:

    Here’s an interesting example of confusion over this. A horse-racing report on the Guardian sports blog included a quote from Irish jockey Rachael Blackmore:

    “I just can’t believe I’m [talking] after winning the Grand National,” she said.

    What she presumably said was: “I just can’t believe I’m after winning the Grand National”, i.e., “I just can’t believe I’ve just won the Grand National.” But a subeditor seems to have misinterpreted.

    https://stancarey.wordpress.com/2016/03/14/the-hot-news-or-after-perfect-in-irish-english/

    #after #afterPerfect #calque #dialect #etymology #Gaeilge #grammaticalTense #HibernoEnglish #hotNewsPerfect #Ireland #Irish #IrishEnglish #IrishEnglishGrammar #IrishLanguage #language #syntax #tense #usage #words

  19. Amn’t I glad we use “amn’t” in Ireland

    From ‘An Irish Childhood in England: 1951’ by Eavan Boland (full poem on my Tumblr):

    let the world I knew become the space
    between the words that I had by heart
    and all the other speech that always was
    becoming the language of the country that
    I came to in nineteen fifty-one:
    barely-gelled, a freckled six-year-old,
    overdressed and sick on the plane,
    when all of England to an Irish child
    was nothing more than what you’d lost and how:
    was the teacher in the London convent who,
    when I produced “I amn’t” in the classroom
    turned and said—“You’re not in Ireland now.”

    I grew up in Ireland using expressions and grammatical constructions that I took to be normal English, only to discover years later that what counts as normal in language usage can be highly dependent on geography and dialect. I amn’t sure when I realised it, but amn’t is an example of this.

    Standardized English has an array of forms of the verb be for various persons and tenses with a negative particle (n’t) affixed: isn’t, wasn’t, aren’t, weren’t. But there’s a curious gap. In the tag question I’m next, ___ I?, the usual form is the unsystematic am I not or the irregular aren’t I (irregular because we don’t say *I are). Why not amn’t?

    Amn’t I talking to you? (Anne Emery, Death at Christy Burke’s, 2011)

    Amn’t I after telling you that, said Donal. (Sean O’Casey, Inishfallen, Fare Thee Well, 1949)

    Amn’t /’æmənt/, though centuries old, is not part of standardized English. But it is common in Ireland, used especially in colloquial speech though not limited to informal registers. It’s also used in Scotland (alongside amnae and other variants) and parts of England – the OED says the north, and west midlands – and occasionally elsewhere, such as Wales.

    How amn’t came to be so geographically limited is not fully clear. Another variant, an’t, probably supplanted it in general usage because speakers wanted to avoid sounding /n/ immediately after /m/; see Michael Quinion and Robert Beard for brief commentary on this. David Crystal says it was therefore:

    a natural development to simplify the consonant cluster. The final /t/ made it more likely that the simplification would go to /ant/ rather than /amt/, and this is what we find in 18th century texts, where it appears as an’t.

    An’t, also spelt a’n’t, is the “phonetically natural and the philologically logical shortening”, writes Eric Partridge in Usage and Abusage. It too fell from favour, but not before morphing in two significant ways. It gave rise to ain’t, which has its own lively history, and it also began being spelt aren’t (by “orthographic analogy”, in Crystal’s phrase), which is pronounced the same as an’t in non-rhotic accents.

    This explains aren’t I, which would otherwise seem a grammatical anomaly. Indeed, Gabe Doyle notes that its irregularity “earns the ire of the accountants” of English. But it has steadily gained acceptability in major English-speaking regions. Irish and Scottish dialects are the exception in retaining and favouring its ancestor, amn’t I.

    [image source]

    Despite its vintage, its logic, and its convenience, not everyone likes amn’t. It’s dismissed as “ugly” by Eric Partridge and as “substandard” by Bryan Garner in his Dictionary of Modern American Usage. Patricia O’Conner and Stewart Kellerman describe amn’t I as “clunky” in Origins of the Specious.

    Garner is wrong, and the other pronouncements are subjective or prejudicial. Amn’t is not part of standardized English, but it is thoroughly normal in Irish English. There’s nothing intrinsically unsound or deficient about it unless you revere prestige. It’s often called awkward, but it doesn’t feel awkward if you grow up with it. Even aesthetically, amn’t has unique appeal.

    Amn’t I with you? Amn’t I your girl? (James Joyce, Ulysses, 1922)

    Ye don’t want me, don’t ye? And amn’t I as good as the best of them? Amn’t I? (Patrick MacGill, The Rat-pit, 1915)

    So how is amn’t used? Commonly in questions: straightforward interrogative (Joyce, above), tag (MacGill), and rhetorical (see post title). These are the structures typically noted by lexicographers: Robert Burchfield’s revision of Fowler says it’s “used as part of the tag question amn’t I?”, while Terence Dolan’s Dictionary of Hiberno-English associates it with “negative first-person questions”.

    Neither Burchfield nor Dolan mentions other uses, but amn’t is also used, for example, in declarative statements of the form I amn’t. Though even Irish people, in my experience, usually say I’m not in such cases, some of them also say I amn’t.

    I amn’t sure I should go on at all or if you’d like a line or two from your bad old penny. (Joseph O’Connor, Ghost Light, 2010)

    And you, my poor changling, have to go to Birmingham next week, and I, poor divil, amn’t well enough to go out to far-away places for even solitary walks. (J.M. Synge, Letters to Molly, 1971)

    A bit odder is the double negative question amn’t I not, which I’ve come across in both tags (I’m not drunk neither, amn’t I not) and more centrally (amn’t I not turble [terrible] altogether). A straw poll I held on Twitter suggests, unsurprisingly, that it’s a good deal rarer than other uses of amn’t, but several people still confirm using it.

    My Twitter query also showed that amn’t occurs in more than just tag questions in Scotland, disproving a claim I’d encountered earlier. It prompted lots of anecdata and discussion on the word’s contemporary use in Ireland and elsewhere, and is available on Wakelet for interested readers.

    If I amn’t mistaken, the pinch is here. (Athenian Gazette, May 1691)

    Oh, Peader, but amn’t I Dublin born and bred? (Katie Flynn, Strawberry Fields, 1994)

    Amn’t may grow in frequency and stature or it might, like ain’t, remain quite stigmatised in formal English. At the moment it’s undoubtedly a minority usage, with just four hits in the vast COHA corpus, five in COCA, and one in the BNC. Even GloWbE, with its 1.9 billion words from informal sources, offers a mere 31 hits.

    Last year I retweeted a comment from @Ann_imal, a US speaker who said she had “started saying ‘amn’t I’ instead of ‘aren’t I,’ and no one (except AutoCorrect) has questioned me”. A search on Twitter suggests she’s not alone: amn’t has modest but undeniable currency in Englishes and idiolects around the world.

    Social attitudes are decisive. Language Hat has noted that children acquiring language sometimes use amn’t – it is, after all, an intuitive construction – only to lose it along the way; a search on Google Books returns similar reports. LH used the word himself, and says, “I don’t remember when or why I stopped. The pressures of ‘proper English’ are insidious.”

    In a neat inversion of the usual pattern, a commenter at Language Log recalls using aren’t I as a child and being corrected to amn’t I. More of this kind of parental guidance, or at least less proscriptive regulation in the other direction, may help amn’t gain more of a foothold outside Ireland and Scotland.

    Not that I’ve anything against aren’t I, or ain’t for that matter. But if anyone felt they wanted to adopt amn’t and got past the social barrier, they would likely find it a handy, pleasing contraction. And that counts for a lot these days, amirite amn’t I right?

    https://twitter.com/StanCarey/status/822016562953682945

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    Today, by the way, is (US) National Grammar Day, which by semantic sorcery I’m interpreting as International Grammar Day to highlight a characteristic feature of grammar in Ireland. The Sentence first archives have lots more Irish English grammar and vocabulary.

    Updates:

    Eavan Boland has also written about this episode in prose, in her book Object Lessons (1995):

    “Language is fossil poetry,” says Emerson, and it may well be. But it also home truth. Whatever the inventions and distortions of my imaginings, my tongue, the sounds it made in my mouth, betrayed me. I was no English Alice. I was an Irish child in England. […]

    The inevitable happened. One day my tongue betrayed me out of dream and counterfeit into cold truth. I was in the cloakroom in school in the middle of the afternoon. A winter darkness was already gathering through one of the stubborn fogs of the time. A teacher was marshaling children here and there, dividing those who were taking buses from those who were being collected. “I amn’t taking the bus,” I said. I was six or seven then, still within earshot of another way of speaking. But the English do not use that particular construction. It is an older usage. If they contract the verb and the negative, they say, “I’m not.”

    Without knowing, I had used that thing for which the English reserve a visceral dislike: their language, loaded and aimed by the old enemy. The teacher whirled around. She corrected my grammar; her face set, her tone cold. “You’re not in Ireland now” was what she said.

    At her blog The Other Side of Sixty, Corkonian wisewebwoman says: “you wouldn’t believe the shellacking I took for brazenly using ‘amn’t’ when I moved to Canada. Laughter, disbelief and mockery ensued.”

    I like a good coincidence. While editing this post I listened to the Mogwai song ‘Wizard Motor‘ on repeat, unaware, before a tweet from Helen McClory, that Mogwai also have a song called ‘Moses? I Amn’t’:

    #amnt #contractions #dialects #eavanBoland #grammar #hibernoEnglish #ireland #irishBooks #irishEnglish #irishEnglishGrammar #irishLiterature #lexicography #linguistics #morphology #nationalGrammarDay #negation #poetry #prescriptivism #sociolinguistics #standardizedEnglish #usage #words #writing

  20. Giving out, Irish style

    The phrasal verb give out has several common senses:

    distribute – ‘she gave out free passes to the gig’

    emit – ‘the machine gave out a distinctive hum’

    break down, stop working – ‘at the end of the marathon her legs gave out’

    become used up – ‘their reserves of patience finally gave out’

    declare, make known – ‘management gave out that it would change the procedure’

    In Ian Fleming’s Casino Royale I read an example of this last sense: ‘At the moment the Communist Party is giving out that he was off his head.’ Had Fleming been Irish, this line would be ambiguous – give out in Irish English commonly means complain, grumble, moan; or criticise, scold, reprimand, tell off.

    I think this give out comes from Irish tabhair amach, same meaning. It’s intransitive and often followed by to [a person]. People might give out to someone for some mistake, oversight, or character flaw, or about politics, the weather, or the state of the roads. Or they might just give out in an unspecific or habitual way.

    Here are some examples from literature:

    He always seemed to be in bad humour and was always giving out. (Joe McVeigh, Taking a Stand: Memoir of an Irish Priest)

    Pot Belly gives out and tells Slapper he’s not to be going home in this weather. (Claire Keegan, ‘The Ginger Rogers Sermon’, in Antarctica)

    She had a good figure, although she was always giving out about her too-tight size twelve jeans, but she said buying a pair of size fourteens would be giving in. (Fiona O’Brien, Without Him)

    ‘If I eat any more turnips I’ll turn bleedin’ yellow.’
    ‘Ah, don’t be always giving out,’ said Mother. (Christy Brown, Down All the Days)

    Giving out to him the whole time: ‘I’ve hated you for years, you old fecker, so take this.’ (Anne Emery, Obit: A Mystery)

    Both brothers would do Mr McGurk’s voice but Tee-J did it brilliant. He did Mr McGurk as a cranky old farmer who was always giving out. (Kevin Barry, ‘White Hitachi’, in Dark Lies the Island)

    Greenfinch (Carduelis chloris) giving out to me about something

    Irish give out is sometimes intensified by adding stink, yards, spades, to high heaven, or the pay:

    Afterwards in the car my mother would give out yards to my father for being so generous to his sponging relations. (Sinead Moriarty, Keeping It In the Family)

    Of course you prefer your little pet of a daughter who gave out stink to me this morning and wanted me to shift myself and my bed and I in the throes of mortal suffering. (John B. Keane, Letters of a Love-Hungry Farmer and other stories)

    I heard the mother giving out stink to the father about it the other night; she was doing the old shout-whisper… (Donal Ryan, The Spinning Heart)

    ‘I had her mother on the phone to me last night, giving out yards.’ (Clare Dowling, Can’t Take My Eyes Off You)

    ‘We’re gone fierce boring now. Real suburbanites, I guess. Mowing the lawn and giving out yards about the neighbours.’ (Joseph O’Connor, Two Little Clouds)

    For all we know, they give out to high heaven behind closed doors but we’ve no indication of that so we have to presume they are ok with things. (JoeyFantastic on Munsterfans.com forum)

    …even if I did have to listen to him giving out the pay about the dangers of the Teddy Boys now inhabiting the place. (Brendan Behan, Confessions of an Irish Rebel)

    Bernard Share, in Slanguage, says give out is an abbreviation of give out the hour, and is also seen in the form give off. I haven’t encountered these versions much.

    Dermot, she said again, say something. Give off to me but don’t stay quiet. (Dermot Healy, The Bend for Home)

    You’ll find give out = complain, criticise, etc. in many dictionaries of Irish slang, but it’s not slang: it’s an idiom in most or all of the dialects on this island, a regular feature of vernacular Hiberno-English. And it doesn’t end there.

    On Twitter, Oliver Farry said ‘people in Kansas and Missouri use give out in much the same way as Irish people do’. This was news to me, and I’d be interested to hear more about it – or about its use anywhere else in this Irish sense. Including Ireland: I use it myself. But don’t give out to me if I’ve overlooked something important.

    Update:

    LanguageHat follows up, wondering about the Kansas/Missouri use of the phrase. A few commenters from these States have never heard it, so its distribution is evidently limited.

    [Hiberno-English archives]

    #books #dialects #giveOut #HibernoEnglish #idioms #Ireland #IrishBooks #IrishEnglish #IrishLanguage #IrishSlang #language #phrasalVerbs #phrases #polysemy #semantics #usage
  21. Ijit, idjit, eejit, idiot

    After reading a lot of Stephen King in my teens and early 20s, I went about 15 years not reading him at all. Then I came across Dolores Claiborne in a local bookshop and immediately bumped it to the upper reaches of my book mountain. I’ve long admired the film adaptation, so I was more than a little curious to visit the source.

    Set on an island off the coast of Maine, New England, it’s a memorable story told very well as a continuous narrative in Dolores’s dialectal speech. It has one lexical feature that I want to mention here. No spoilers follow:

    …the biggest ijit in the world coulda told he didn’t think I’d do any such thing once I finally understood what’d happened

    I don’t remember seeing the word ijit in print before. Obviously it’s a regional form of idiot – like idjit, another variant – and means more or less the same thing (see eejit, below), but it’s interesting how its pronunciation /’ɪdʒət/ ‘idget’ differs from the standard /’ɪdiət/ ‘iddy-uht’. I suppose this is related to the tendency for /dj/ to shift to /dʒ/ in words like due and during.

    Ijit has only one hit in COCA; idjit has three, including the amusing line ‘an optimist […] is just a crossword puzzle way of saying idjit’. Browsing Google Books, though, I see that they’re not so rare, ijit occurring for instance in a story by Jacques Futrelle, who lived not far from Maine in Scituate, Massachusetts.

    I expect they occur here and there around the English-speaking world. Wordnik aggregates several colloquial examples of both forms. Rooting around some more, I see that ijit is also an old African American word, mentioned in Hubert Anthony Shands’s Some Peculiarities of Speech in Mississippi (1893):

    Eejit is the Irish English equivalent, and is common in fictional and vernacular dialogue. It doesn’t connote intellectual difficulty – idiot can – instead signalling foolish behaviour, be it chronic or occasional. Eejit is softer than idiot, and is not generally used hurtfully but to gently criticise someone the speaker knows and may well hold in affection. I imagine this is also true of ijit and idjit, but I’m open to correction.

    Eejit can, of course, be used in self-criticism, as in this example from Jennifer Johnston’s novel Shadows on Our Skin:

    And he hadn’t done his homework, let alone his extra homework. Eejit. Eejit.

    T. P. Dolan’s Dictionary of Hiberno-English offers a few literary examples of eejit and a note on pronunciation: that it approximates the Irish rendering of d and i. Take for example the Irish words Dia (God) /’dʲi:æ/ and idir (between) /’ɪdʲər/. [Edit: See the comments for more on this.]

    ‘You’re the biggest eejit this side of Cork,’ his old father used to say snappishly. (William Trevor, Fools of Fortune)

    Common modifiers of eejit include big, awful, feckin’, fuckin’, and oul’ (also ould, aul’, auld). Its jocular flavour made it a frequent favourite in the TV comedy Father Ted, and might help explain why the word was found to be not unparliamentary when it was used in the Northern Ireland Assembly.

    Irish English as Represented in Film by Shane Walshe presents some uses of the word in films, but you’ll have to turn your head sideways to read them. Like an eejit.

    #books #dialects #HibernoEnglish #IrishEnglish #language #phonetics #pronunciation #slang #speech #spelling #StephenKing #usage #words

  22. Plámás

    ‘Don’t mind his plámásing.’

    I heard someone say this on the Promenade in Salthill recently. It means: ‘Pay no attention to his flattery.’ Don’t and mind were merged, so the phrase sounded like /do:’maɪndɪz ’plɔ:mɔ:sən/.

    Plámás /’plɔ:mɔ:s/ [‘plaw-mawse’] is an Irish noun and verb used in Hiberno-English; it means empty flattery, ingratiating talk, disingenuous praise. I’ve seen it anglicised as plaumause, plamause, and plawmass, or simply by dropping the accents.

    It’s a word familiar to me since childhood, but I hear it only occasionally. A plámáser or plámásaí /’plɔ:mɔ:si:/ is a person engaging in plámás, while plámásach /’plɔ:mɔ:səx/ (‘flattering’) is the adjectival form. Here are some examples of its use.

    Christopher Nolan, in The Banyan Tree:

    now his big plámásing smile was back on

    Eamonn Sweeney, Waiting for the Healer:

    At midday, the inspector arrives. He is tall and thin and has the air of a true bureaucrat. Da tries to plámás him with coffee and some teacake I bought in the local shop.

    A photo caption on a travel blog:

    Eoghan plamasing the local women to get a cup of butter tea…

    The Laois Nationalist:

    On her re election as assistant treasurer Evelyn Dunne had words of support from her chairman Dick Miller: ‘She wont go out of her way to plaumause you or endear herself to you but I guarantee you she does the work.’

    The blog Hunter S. Thompson Books:

    Hunter S. Thompson a friend of the Mitchell brothers drifts in and out of this story. Reading it I can imagine him bounding around with his usual bow-legged gait, doing what he did best – plamasing everyone in sight, looking like he owned the place.

    A quip on the IrishDogs community forum, in response to someone looking for a lift for a dog:

    yeah plamause your way in there ;-)

    A comment at the Irish Left Review:

    Instead of the usual plamasach self-pitying oul’ guff which passes for analysis on the Irish Left…

    A comment at Indymedia Ireland:

    Concealing your argument with vague allusions and references without ever clarifying your point might impress and plaumause those already on your side, but it will only alienate everybody else.

    Tom Mac Intyre in The Charollais, cited in Bernard Share’s Slanguage:

    ‘We are, in no sense, boasting.’

    ‘Shur I know ye’re not, m’lord — I always knew ye’d go places, an’ I’m not just plawmassin’ ye now.’

    The origin of plámás is unknown. One suggestion is that it’s a corrupted form of blanc-mange, but the link seems tenuous. There’s a related word plásaí /’plɔ:si:/ (plausy, plauzy, plausey, plossey), which can mean either flattery or flatterer. See the previous link for examples.

    When plámás was mentioned in the London Review of Books (1999), it prompted a letter with this amusing comment:

    It is a word my Irish mother often uses in a verbal mode. I’d always thought it was ‘plum-arse’, as in ‘You’d think that Tony Blair could plum-arse them all into agreement, he’s certainly got the mouth for it.’

    I wonder if this line was borrowed verbatim. Plum-arse probably qualifies as an eggcorn, but it’s unlikely to gain any currency given the original term’s scarcity. Even in Ireland, plámás isn’t in common usage: an enthusiastic commenter on Boards.ie from Gorey, Co. Wexford thought plámás was a word his mother had invented.

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    (To mark long vowels in IPA, I’ve used ordinary colons instead of the standard triangular marks, because WordPress isn’t rendering the latter clearly.)

    [more Hiberno-English]

    Updates:

    Plámás making headlines in the Irish Times Magazine (7 March 2026), in which Australian columnist Brianna Parkins digs into the cultural differences between her native and adopted lands:

    If there’s one difference I’ve noticed in Ireland it’s that decision-makers will heap praise on me when they’re trying to pay me less than I would like. […]

    Like the time my colleague told me I need to “sweeten up” a person for them to essentially do their basic job description. I was annoyed I had to perform flattery to get them function but this was Ireland where it was considered manners so I did.

    What Irish culture might consider harmless plámásing, Australians might see as an attempt to “piss down their back and tell them it’s raining”. […] Personally, I prefer abrasive honesty while still yearning for the mandatory 10-minute friendly chit chat at the start of Irish meetings.

    Plámás, a coffee shop on Dominick Street in Galway, Ireland

    #dialects #HibernoEnglish #Ireland #IrishEnglish #language #speech #words
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