#flarum — Public Fediverse posts

Pour #Kresus, on va migrer de système de forum. On utilise #Discourse à l'heure actuelle, mais c'est vraiment trop lourd pour mon petit VPS. Je pensais passer à #Flarum, qui a l'air simple, modulaire et rapide ; des opinions ? des recommendations d'autres systèmes ?

Pour #Kresus, on va migrer de système de forum. On utilise #Discourse à l'heure actuelle, mais c'est vraiment trop lourd pour mon petit VPS. Je pensais passer à #Flarum, qui a l'air simple, modulaire et rapide ; des opinions ? des recommendations d'autres systèmes ?

I joined a Signal group called "Sovereign Tech", where me and my fellow geeks geek out and brainstorm various ways to have #DataSovereignty, independent of Big Tech. We're a bunch of longtime, crusty, jaded #Linux hardcores, pretty much.
I made a video for them showing my own "Sovereign Stack". It's a bunch of #RaspberryPi s, #OpenSource software, #Heimdall, #Wireguard, and lots of "split DNS" . I show off some #SelfHosting web services like #CalibreWeb , #InvoiceNinja, #Flarum, #CopyParty and #Immich , with remote access through Wireguard possible. **If you aren't a geek, you probably won't enjoy this video.**
https://vids.wiseowl.club/preview/2026-07-12-sovereign-tech/

I joined a Signal group called "Sovereign Tech", where me and my fellow geeks geek out and brainstorm various ways to have #DataSovereignty, independent of Big Tech. We're a bunch of longtime, crusty, jaded #Linux hardcores, pretty much
I made a video for them showing my own "Sovereign Stack". It's a bunch of #RaspberryPi s, #OpenSource software, #Heimdall, #Wireguard, and lots of "split DNS" . I show off some #SelfHosting web services like #CalibreWeb #InvoiceNinja, #Flarum, #CopyParty and #Immich , with remote access through Wireguard possible. **If you aren't a geek, you probably won't enjoy this video.**
https://vids.wiseowl.club/preview/2026-07-12-sovereign-tech/

J'ai ouvert un forum #flarum, c'est un peu un test, mais pour l'instant je trouve ça assez cool.

À défaut ça pourrait presque me servir d'agenda perso si j'arrive pas à trouver des gens avec qui causer :o

https://forum.oldweb.netlib.re/

(du coup je sais pas du tout quoi y mettre, je voudrai juste un coin où on cause sans tout perdre comme sur le fediverse qui est sympa hein, juste on garde rien des échanges : il m'arrive souvent de trouver un truc cool et un mois plus tard, disparu ;..;)

J'ai ouvert un forum #flarum, c'est un peu un test, mais pour l'instant je trouve ça assez cool.

À défaut ça pourrait presque me servir d'agenda perso si j'arrive pas à trouver des gens avec qui causer :o

https://forum.oldweb.netlib.re/

(du coup je sais pas du tout quoi y mettre, je voudrai juste un coin où on cause sans tout perdre comme sur le fediverse qui est sympa hein, juste on garde rien des échanges : il m'arrive souvent de trouver un truc cool et un mois plus tard, disparu ;..;)

@federatedmind the #Flarum people developed an unofficial new plugin (using AI) adding Federation to #Mastodon/ #ActivityPub as well. Still early days, little testing so far:
https://discuss.flarum.org/d/39465-federation-made-with-ai

@federatedmind the #Flarum people developed an unofficial new plugin (using AI) adding Federation to #Mastodon/ #ActivityPub as well. Still early days, little testing so far:
https://discuss.flarum.org/d/39465-federation-made-with-ai

#Discord alternatives #List #OpenSource :

#PHPBB, #Discourse, #Flarum, #Prosody, #Deltachat, #Zulip, etc.

If anyone was wanting a way out from #Discord, and other similar closed-source forums, #Flarum will soon be having their 2.0 release. rc3 just came out. They have good developer and bugfixing momentum right now. If you have Sysadmin skills, and know of an #OpenSource community in need of a new and suitable OpenSource forum, maybe warm up a VPS, and/or register a domain? And perhaps try out their RC on a testing rig first.

Now is a good time to get into flarum, I say. I've been watching them for a long time, and have done multiple #Debian installs myself.

Note: Flarum doesn't do team voice chat, unlike Discord. But it's a great web forum, with good mobile support (unlike #PHPBB) . Is also lightweight (unlike #Discourse) - can be run on a cheap VPS or Raspberry Pi.

Flarum's 2.0 RC3 announcement:
https://discuss.flarum.org/d/39406-flarum-200-rc3-released-built-by-the-community-almost-ready-for-everyone

#datasovereignty #SelfHosting

If anyone was wanting a way out from #Discord, and other similar closed-source forums, #Flarum will soon be having their 2.0 release. rc3 just came out. They have good developer and bugfixing momentum right now. If you have Sysadmin skills, and know of an #OpenSource community in need of a new and suitable OpenSource forum, maybe warm up a VPS, and/or register a domain? And perhaps try out their RC on a testing rig first.

Now is a good time to get into flarum, I say. I've been watching them for a long time, and have done multiple #Debian installs myself.

Note: Flarum doesn't do team voice chat, unlike Discord. But it's a great web forum, with good mobile support (unlike #PHPBB) . Is also lightweight (unlike #Discourse) - can be run on a cheap VPS or Raspberry Pi.

Flarum's 2.0 RC3 announcement:
https://discuss.flarum.org/d/39406-flarum-200-rc3-released-built-by-the-community-almost-ready-for-everyone

#datasovereignty #SelfHosting

Barry's economics explaining how social media works: https://youtu.be/-XgCFn6Vbnw?si=aU9520F1EXH1s6Na
It is better to avoid social media. Creating your own online community these days is easier then ever with #pikapods and #flarum https://www.pikapods.com/pods?run=flarum

Barry's economics explaining how social media works: https://youtu.be/-XgCFn6Vbnw?si=aU9520F1EXH1s6Na
It is better to avoid social media. Creating your own online community these days is easier then ever with #pikapods and #flarum https://www.pikapods.com/pods?run=flarum

@eddiereasoner I think #discord is a red-flag, because it's too "low-effort", too "slumming it", too prone to future platform rug-pulls and creepy policy changes, and not reliably searchable. Far better #OpenSource alternatives exist today, and aren't all that hard to set up, for the sufficiently motivated geek: #PHPBB, #Discourse, #Flarum, #Prosody, #Deltachat, #Zulip, etc. Surely one of them, or something similar, is acceptable, given each of them, in their unique strength.

I say 600MB of RAM is passable because my cheap on-prem server has 16GB of it

@eddiereasoner I think #discord is a red-flag, because it's too "low-effort", too "slumming it", too prone to future platform rug-pulls and creepy policy changes, and not reliably searchable. Far better Open Source alternatives exist today, and aren't all that hard to set up, for the sufficiently motivated geek: #PHPBB, #Discourse, #Flarum, #Prosody, #Deltachat, #Zulip, etc. Surely one of them, or something similar, is acceptable, given each of them, in their unique strength.

I say 600MB of RAM is passable because my cheap on-prem server has 16GB of it

Using #ai to protect the #flarum ecosystem from extensions that have serious vulnerabilities. Especially important with the increasing number of vibe coded extensions.

Visible at floxum.com/extensions

Using #ai to protect the #flarum ecosystem from extensions that have serious vulnerabilities. Especially important with the increasing number of vibe coded extensions.

Visible at floxum.com/extensions

@marko no hurry at all. I have some #flarum extensions in use that don't have 2.0 version at all yet. PWA, private facade and doorman. So I can't update anyhow. BTW I just tested the update using beta as per instructions.
@linkrobins

@marko no hurry at all. I have some #flarum extensions in use that don't have 2.0 version at all yet. PWA, private facade and doorman. So I can't update anyhow. BTW I just tested the update using beta as per instructions.
@linkrobins

@marko hei, oletkos jo selvittänyt mitäs tarttis tehdä että #flarum 2.0 olis suomennettu? Pitääkö siellä ensin jotenkin leimata ne olemassa olevat stringit 2.0 pohjaksi? Nyt päivitys kaatuu kun ei löydy suomennoksia.

Se on RC1, joten ei enää muutoksia.

@marko hei, oletkos jo selvittänyt mitäs tarttis tehdä että #flarum 2.0 olis suomennettu? Pitääkö siellä ensin jotenkin leimata ne olemassa olevat stringit 2.0 pohjaksi? Nyt päivitys kaatuu kun ei löydy suomennoksia.

Se on RC1, joten ei enää muutoksia.

𝗙𝗹𝗮𝗿𝘂𝗺:

#Forum #OpenSource #Communication #Flarum

https://thewhale.cc/posts/flarum

The two developers Toby Zerner and Franz Liedke have revisited the forum software by building Flarum. It's fast, open source and comes with a fresh design.

𝗙𝗹𝗮𝗿𝘂𝗺:

#Forum #OpenSource #Communication #Flarum

https://thewhale.cc/posts/flarum

The two developers Toby Zerner and Franz Liedke have revisited the forum software by building Flarum. It's fast, open source and comes with a fresh design.

@menelion @silex salut @menelion 👋
Le plan c'est de discuter de l'accessibilité de nos templates et des outils qu'on utilise pour communiquer..

Templates: https://www.silex.me/fr/templates/
Le site lui même : https://www.silex.me/fr/
#flarum : https://community.silex.me/t/fr
@mobilizon : https://events.silex.me/
@peertube : https://video.silex.me/c/silex_fr/video-playlists
#fider roadmap : https://roadmap.silex.me/
Formulaire d'inscription à la newsletter : https://news.silex.me/forms/nfrm_weLJnLY5
La doc #wikijs : https://docs.silex.me/fr/home

@menelion @silex salut @menelion 👋
Le plan c'est de discuter de l'accessibilité de nos templates et des outils qu'on utilise pour communiquer..

Templates: https://www.silex.me/fr/templates/
Le site lui même : https://www.silex.me/fr/
#flarum : https://community.silex.me/t/fr
@mobilizon : https://events.silex.me/
@peertube : https://video.silex.me/c/silex_fr/video-playlists
#fider roadmap : https://roadmap.silex.me/
Formulaire d'inscription à la newsletter : https://news.silex.me/forms/nfrm_weLJnLY5
La doc #wikijs : https://docs.silex.me/fr/home

I'm in a the middle of an intense session of system admin for @silex little community

Since #mattermost #opencore model got in our way (less and less little this community) => I think we'll ditch it and switch everything to the forums

So I'm investing time in upgrading from an ooold docker image to latest #Flarum and making it better at onboarding, detecting spam with n8n, looking silexy, ...

I pause and.. Wow Flarum is a great platform !!!

<3 @luceos

#foss #community #opensource

I'm in a the middle of an intense session of system admin for @silex little community

Since #mattermost #opencore model got in our way (less and less little this community) => I think we'll ditch it and switch everything to the forums

So I'm investing time in upgrading from an ooold docker image to latest #Flarum and making it better at onboarding, detecting spam with n8n, looking silexy, ...

I pause and.. Wow Flarum is a great platform !!!

<3 @luceos

#foss #community #opensource

God dammit, I had not known until now that #Discourse is all aboard the LLM train to hell: https://meta.discourse.org/t/discourse-ai/259214

Good thing #Flarum is still under very active development, supported by @nlnet. Even though Discourse has been the dominant forum software for years, Flarum is still there, being an important alternative.

It seems to me that Flarum has third-party LLM plugins, but no official LLM features? Let me know if you find anything different

https://flarum.org/

#forum #ForumSoftware

God dammit, I had not known until now that #Discourse is all aboard the LLM train to hell: https://meta.discourse.org/t/discourse-ai/259214

Good thing #Flarum is still under very active development, supported by @nlnet. Even though Discourse has been the dominant forum software for years, Flarum is still there, being an important alternative.

It seems to me that Flarum has third-party LLM plugins, but no official LLM features? Let me know if you find anything different

https://flarum.org/

#forum #ForumSoftware

#UANA community forums now provide a static DB dump in Markdown format: use /flarumdown URI to download in your network, e.g. http://[202:68d0:f0d5:b88d:1d1a:555e:2f6b:3148]/flarumdown/

As a bonus, here’s an open-source CLI tool in #Rust for other #Flarum v2 users:
https://github.com/YGGverse/flarumdown

What is next? Maybe Git publishing after tests, then #mdBook wiki, based on at least this dump.

#flarumdown

#UANA community forums now provide a static DB dump in Markdown format: use /flarumdown URI to download in your network, e.g. http://[202:68d0:f0d5:b88d:1d1a:555e:2f6b:3148]/flarumdown/

As a bonus, here’s an open-source CLI tool in #Rust for other #Flarum v2 users:
https://github.com/YGGverse/flarumdown

What is next? Maybe Git publishing after tests, then #mdBook wiki, based on at least this dump.

#flarumdown

@david_chisnall #Flarum has never let me down for search, so far. I agree search is of ultimate importance in a chat forum. I've contributed a tutorial on installing the beta of the new ver 2.0, BTW:
https://discuss.flarum.org/d/38845-unofficial-debian-13-specific-install-instructions-for-flarum-200beta7
#Discourse

1) Finding a surprising commonality with a good friend
2) #Quicksy #XMPP is apparently getting huge uptake - I'm glad about that.
3) The pace of #Flarum development has picked up a lot lately. It's something that makes me feel optimism.
#3goodThings

1) Finding a surprising commonality with a good friend
2) #Quicksy #XMPP is apparently getting huge uptake - I'm glad about that.
3) The pace of #Flarum development has picked up a lot lately. It's something that makes me feel optimism.
#3goodThings

*Unpopular opinions:* :comfy_blob_cat:
The #Internet needs a "Great Reboot", IMHO, where:
- #Mastodon is the new IRC, X, Threads, Bluesky, LinkedIn, and Facebook
- #Deltachat is the new email and two-way email mailing list
- #RSS is the new one-way email mailing list
- static content generators (say, #Hugo, #Jekyll, etc) are the new web CMS'. No CDN, as they're so lightweight.
- #XMPP is the new #Discord - and no encryption is used in groups
- #Flarum is the new goto for a persisting, searchable support forum
- #Signal is for encrypted 1-to-1 chats and encrypted group chats (when none of the above suffice), as they get the encryption right in a very reliable way *for the group chat* (despite being a centralized service).

#OpenSource

*Unpopular opinions:* :comfy_blob_cat:
The #Internet needs a "Great Reboot", IMHO, where:
- #Mastodon is the new IRC, X, Threads, Bluesky, LinkedIn, and Facebook
- #Deltachat is the new email and two-way email mailing list
- #RSS is the new one-way email mailing list
- static content generators (say, #Hugo, #Jekyll, etc) are the new web CMS'. No CDN, as they're so lightweight.
- #XMPP is the new #Discord - and no encryption is used in groups
- #Flarum is the new goto for a persisting, searchable support forum
- #Signal is for encrypted 1-to-1 chats and encrypted group chats (when none of the above suffice), as they get the encryption right in a very reliable way *for the group chat* (despite being a centralized service).

#OpenSource

I’m offering a “cheat sheet” of sorts to make it easy for potential Flarum testers/developers to quickly install a working #Flarum:
https://owleyes.blue/posts/debian13_flarum_2.0.0_beta7_install_w_postgresql/
#debian #OpenSource #Linux #Postgresql #nginx #SelfHosting #DevOps #forum #DataSovereignty

I’m offering a “cheat sheet” of sorts to make it easy for potential Flarum testers/developers to quickly install a working #Flarum:
https://owleyes.blue/posts/debian13_flarum_2.0.0_beta7_install_w_postgresql/
#debian #OpenSource #Linux #Postgresql #nginx #SelfHosting #DevOps #forum #DataSovereignty

@alxd activity on the #Flarum forum increased *a lot*, ever since the #Discord thing broke.

@alxd activity on the #Flarum forum increased *a lot*, ever since the #Discord thing broke.

I asked an AI (please forgive me, but it did actually save me a lot of time researching), what the largest #Discord communities are, for #OpenSource projects.

I generally dislike AI, but dislike Discord even worse, BTW.

I figured it might be realistic to appeal to these communities' sense of OpenSource values (taking advantage of recent controversy, and shift in sentiment against Discord), to migrate to, say, a #Flarum forum (or #XMPP, etc) instead:

Top 20 Open Source Projects on Discord (by Members)

| Rank | Project | Members | Description |
|------|---------|---------|-------------|
| 1 | #RPCS3 | 481,000 | Open source PlayStation 3 emulator |
| 2 | #OBS Community | 244,000 | Open source streaming/recording software |
| 3 | #Reactiflux | 222,000 | #React, Redux, GraphQL community |
| 4 | #HomeAssistant | 126,000 | Open source home automation platform |
| 5 | #Vue Land (Vue.js) | 122,000 | Vue.js frontend framework community |
| 6 | #osu! | 106,000 | Open source rhythm game |
| 7 | #Electron | 81,000 | Open source desktop app framework |
| 8 | #Godot Engine | 64,000 | Open source game engine |
| 9 | #Rust Community | 66,000 | Rust programming language |
| 10 | #NestJS | 52,000 | Node.js framework |
| 11 | #TypeScript Community | 51,000 | TypeScript language |
| 12 | #Laravel | 39,000 | PHP framework |
| 13 | #Tailwind CSS | 37,000 | CSS framework |
| 14 | #Flutter | 61,000 | Google's UI toolkit |
| 15 | #Deno | 17,000 | JavaScript runtime |
| 16 | #Manim | 17,000 | Mathematical animation engine |
| 17 | #JetBrains | 40,000 | IntelliJ platform community |
| 18 | #Sentry | 35,000 | Error monitoring platform |
| 19 | #Quasar | 28,000 | Vue.js framework |
| 20 | #LibreNMS | 20,000 | Network monitoring system |

Key observations:

- RPCS3 (PS3 #emulator) is the largest with nearly half a million members
- OBS Studio is the largest productivity/tool open source project
- Game emulators and game engines have massive communities
- #JavaScript/TypeScript frameworks (React, Vue, NestJS) have very active communities
- Home automation (Home Assistant) has a huge community due to DIY enthusiast adoption

Note: These numbers fluctuate constantly as members join and leave. Data gathered from Discord server listings in early 2025.

I asked an AI (please forgive me, but it did actually save me a lot of time researching), what the largest #Discord communities are, for #OpenSource projects.

I generally dislike AI, but dislike Discord even worse, BTW.

I figured it might be realistic to appeal to these communities' sense of OpenSource values (taking advantage of recent controversy, and shift in sentiment against Discord), to migrate to, say, a #Flarum forum (or #XMPP, etc) instead:

Top 20 Open Source Projects on Discord (by Members)

| Rank | Project | Members | Description |
|------|---------|---------|-------------|
| 1 | #RPCS3 | 481,000 | Open source PlayStation 3 emulator |
| 2 | #OBS Community | 244,000 | Open source streaming/recording software |
| 3 | #Reactiflux | 222,000 | #React, Redux, GraphQL community |
| 4 | #HomeAssistant | 126,000 | Open source home automation platform |
| 5 | #Vue Land (Vue.js) | 122,000 | Vue.js frontend framework community |
| 6 | #osu! | 106,000 | Open source rhythm game |
| 7 | #Electron | 81,000 | Open source desktop app framework |
| 8 | #Godot Engine | 64,000 | Open source game engine |
| 9 | #Rust Community | 66,000 | Rust programming language |
| 10 | #NestJS | 52,000 | Node.js framework |
| 11 | #TypeScript Community | 51,000 | TypeScript language |
| 12 | #Laravel | 39,000 | PHP framework |
| 13 | #Tailwind CSS | 37,000 | CSS framework |
| 14 | #Flutter | 61,000 | Google's UI toolkit |
| 15 | #Deno | 17,000 | JavaScript runtime |
| 16 | #Manim | 17,000 | Mathematical animation engine |
| 17 | #JetBrains | 40,000 | IntelliJ platform community |
| 18 | #Sentry | 35,000 | Error monitoring platform |
| 19 | #Quasar | 28,000 | Vue.js framework |
| 20 | #LibreNMS | 20,000 | Network monitoring system |

Key observations:

- RPCS3 (PS3 #emulator) is the largest with nearly half a million members
- OBS Studio is the largest productivity/tool open source project
- Game emulators and game engines have massive communities
- #JavaScript/TypeScript frameworks (React, Vue, NestJS) have very active communities
- Home automation (Home Assistant) has a huge community due to DIY enthusiast adoption

Note: These numbers fluctuate constantly as members join and leave. Data gathered from Discord server listings in early 2025.

Con tantas comunidades online metiéndose en chats (la mayoría privativos como Telegram o Discord) y desapareciendo en el "bosque oscuro" de #Internet, me estoy volviendo un nostálgico de los foros.

Concretamente, estos días estoy echando en falta uno sobre ciclismo urbano, utilitario, familiar, de carga...

Lo más parecido que he encontrado es un sub-foro de ciclismo urbano en el vetusto ForoMTB. ¿Hay algo más que no conozco?

¿Creéis que tendría interés y futuro un nuevo foro dedicado a eso?

Uno moderno, basado en #Discord o #Flarum.

#bici #bicicleta #ciclismourbano #biciurbana #bicidecarga #movilidadsostenible

@JaxVent #Flarum. No voice chat features though.

@JaxVent #Flarum. No voice chat features though.

FWIW: For those migrating away from #Discord, #Flarum forum offers an extension - not installed by default - called "Private Forum Facade":
https://discuss.flarum.org/d/38748-opportunity-knocks-to-attract-discord-refugees/8

What does this extension do? "hides the site's content - front page and all threads - from unregistered users".

Note: There's no end-to-end encryption offered by Flarum, but at least it's a small protection from easy, public access by bots.

#OpenSource #forum

FWIW: For those migrating away from #Discord, #Flarum forum offers an extension - not installed by default - called "Private Forum Facade":
https://discuss.flarum.org/d/38748-opportunity-knocks-to-attract-discord-refugees/8

What does this extension do? "hides the site's content - front page and all threads - from unregistered users".

Note: There's no end-to-end encryption offered by Flarum, but at least it's a small protection from easy, public access by bots.

#OpenSource #forum

@iyashikei_kris take a look at #Flarum - pretty useful, minimalistic forums engine (unlike #Discourse)

@iyashikei_kris take a look at #Flarum - pretty useful, minimalistic forums engine (unlike #Discourse)

For those who want to start some new project in response to the #Discord thing, I applaud your determination and good intentions, but please just be honest that you have a good **decade or two** of work ahead of you if you want to start from scratch. If that feels like it's too far into the future, you might instead want to consider throwing in your efforts to **existing** projects, and doing whatever you can to lift up whatever weaknesses they have, having gotten to know them well for their strengths and weaknesses. This takes time - to gain a sense of the ecosystem. Whatever ugly legacy they have, please do your best to tolerate it (say, #XML) **if it's working**, and not creating ongoing problems.

Voltaire famously said: "Perfect is the enemy of good". Alas, huge numbers of #OpenSource geeks have a very hard time learning this lesson.

Many good, existing projects need help **marketing**!! They need help with grassroots efforts to build more of a userbase. They need help getting into classrooms, getting into school curriculum, getting into a default install of #RaspberryPi OS, #Debian, getting into the "Welcome Wizard" app shown after a fresh install.

#DeltaChat #XMPP #Conversations #Gajim #FluffyChat #Flarum #OpenSource #linux

For those who want to start some new project in response to the #Discord thing, I applaud your determination and good intentions, but please just be honest that you have a good **decade or two** of work ahead of you if you want to start from scratch. If that feels like it's too far into the future, you might instead want to consider throwing in your efforts to **existing** projects, and doing whatever you can to lift up whatever weaknesses they have, having gotten to know them well for their strengths and weaknesses. This takes time - to gain a sense of the ecosystem. Whatever ugly legacy they have, please do your best to tolerate it (say, #XML) **if it's working**, and not creating ongoing problems.

Voltaire famously said: "Perfect is the enemy of good". Alas, huge numbers of #OpenSource geeks have a very hard time learning this lesson.

Many good, existing projects need help **marketing**!! They need help with grassroots efforts to build more of a userbase. They need help getting into classrooms, getting into school curriculum, getting into a default install of #RaspberryPi OS, #Debian, getting into the "Welcome Wizard" app shown after a fresh install.

#DeltaChat #XMPP #Conversations #Gajim #FluffyChat #Flarum #OpenSource #linux

What are your top 5 favorite encrypted chat programs, **for the UX** (not necessarily end-to-end encrypted), in order of preference? SSL encryption to a centralized server is the minimum sufficient here. This will reveal how wildly all our opinions differ. It will be interesting to see the diversity of preferences. I'll start, as an example:
---
1) #Deltachat
2) #Signal
3) #Conversations
4) #Fluffychat
5) #Flarum
---
#infosec #Discord #OpenSource

What are your top 5 favorite encrypted chat programs, **for the UX** (not necessarily end-to-end encrypted), in order of preference? SSL encryption to a centralized server is the minimum sufficient here. This will reveal how wildly all our opinions differ. It will be interesting to see the diversity of preferences. I'll start, as an example:
---
1) #Deltachat
2) #Signal
3) #Conversations
4) #Fluffychat
5) #Flarum
---
#infosec #Discord #OpenSource

WRT #Discord, there's an effectively unsolvable conundrum we can't really face, folks. We'd all like the high moral standards that are found in the #OpenSource community, when done right: nobody screwing each other over for their PII, and other forms of leverage (walled-garden lock-in). Geeks get this, normies don't. (This gulf is very hard to cross, IMHO, without resorting to actual educational curriculum explaining it in schools.)

But then we have conflicting desires: we *also* want the buttery smoothness to a secure messaging ecosystem - total convenience, total functionality, *complete with a level-playing-field, "Net Neutral" infrastructure to run it on*, with no lobbied government or tech-bro interference skewing the traffic rules (QOS Rules). Good luck with that one, without strong gov't control, and solid grassroots lobbying behind it.

Lets be honest: #Signal is so great *because tens of millions of dollars were charitably spent on it*. Moxie didn't do his genius work *for free*. Where are tens of millions of *more* dollars going to come from, to make a Discord alternative? Would that be nowhere? Look, there's no quick and easy answers to Discord enshittifying. I've looked at #XMPP, #Matrix, #Deltachat, #Discourse, #Flarum, #PHPBB, #Zulip, #Mattermost, etc. and *each has its warts*. You'll dislike each of them, for different reasons. Each paints itself into a different corner. *There were no tens of millions of dollars upfront, at an early design phase, overlooked by qualified Computer Scientists, to prevent this, in each and every case.* #IRC doesn't bear mention in this comparison. None is the perfect replacement or answer. *None had those tens of millions of dollars which Signal had.*

Alas, they don't stand a chance to be the all-singing, all-dancing solutions that the techbros can finance, *along with their predictable, rotten lack of a moral compass to accompany the slickness.* Every non-geek teenager will side with the techbros, owing to 1) convenience, and 2) that's where their friends are, *which mean the world to a teenager*.

So in summary, we are doomed by our own psychological limitations, as a demographic. The psychological predators - the techbros - can't help but prey on the normies, and the normies can't help but turn to the predators, who at least offer convenience, if no other thing. And the geeks who have a moral compass stand in the middle, ignored by-and-large, feeling anxious and powerless, not having any tens of millions of dollars behind their altruism.

#infosec

#CassandraSyndrome #actuallyAutistic @autistics

WRT #Discord, there's an effectively unsolvable conundrum we can't really face, folks. We'd all like the high moral standards that are found in the #OpenSource community, when done right: nobody screwing each other over for their PII, and other forms of leverage (walled-garden lock-in). Geeks get this, normies don't. (This gulf is very hard to cross, IMHO, without resorting to actual educational curriculum explaining it in schools.)

But then we have conflicting desires: we *also* want the buttery smoothness to a secure messaging ecosystem - total convenience, total functionality, *complete with a level-playing-field, "Net Neutral" infrastructure to run it on*, with no lobbied government or tech-bro interference skewing the traffic rules (QOS Rules). Good luck with that one, without strong gov't control, and solid grassroots lobbying behind it.

Lets be honest: #Signal is so great *because tens of millions of dollars were charitably spent on it*. Moxie didn't do his genius work *for free*. Where are tens of millions of *more* dollars going to come from, to make a Discord alternative? Would that be nowhere? Look, there's no quick and easy answers to Discord enshittifying. I've looked at #XMPP, #Matrix, #Deltachat, #Discourse, #Flarum, #PHPBB, #Zulip, #Mattermost, etc. and *each has its warts*. You'll dislike each of them, for different reasons. Each paints itself into a different corner. *There were no tens of millions of dollars upfront, at an early design phase, overlooked by qualified Computer Scientists, to prevent this, in each and every case.* #IRC doesn't bear mention in this comparison. None is the perfect replacement or answer. *None had those tens of millions of dollars which Signal had.*

Alas, they don't stand a chance to be the all-singing, all-dancing solutions that the techbros can finance, *along with their predictable, rotten lack of a moral compass to accompany the slickness.* Every non-geek teenager will side with the techbros, owing to 1) convenience, and 2) that's where their friends are, *which mean the world to a teenager*.

So in summary, we are doomed by our own psychological limitations, as a demographic. The psychological predators - the techbros - can't help but prey on the normies, and the normies can't help but turn to the predators, who at least offer convenience, if no other thing. And the geeks who have a moral compass stand in the middle, ignored by-and-large, feeling anxious and powerless, not having any tens of millions of dollars behind their altruism.

#infosec

#CassandraSyndrome #actuallyAutistic @autistics

@starlily IRC sucks on mobile. #Flarum doesn't suck on mobile, just saying.