#fediverseapp — Public Fediverse posts
Live and recent posts from across the Fediverse tagged #fediverseapp, aggregated by home.social.
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Looking for more beta testers for #FediDeck. It's free and have at it.
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Looking for more beta testers for #FediDeck. It's free and have at it.
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@Pawlicker About "reply gating": This, or something similar, has been a standard feature at least on Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte from the get-go, i.e. from their respective creation on. Hubzilla has had it since 2012. All three rely heavily on permissions for anything and everything. They can make themselves and each other hide the reply button. When someone wants to comment from Mastodon or something else that doesn't understand these permissions, these three simply reject unpermitted comments before they even reach the inbox.
On Hubzilla, the channel-wide permission to comment also includes a permission to like or dislike something. I can generally allow- only myself
- only certain contacts
- only my contacts
- only my contacts plus those with an unapproved contact request
- anyone on the same Hubzilla hub as me
- anyone on Hubzilla (strangely, this does exclude (streams) channels)
- anyone in the Fediverse
- anyone anywhere on the Web, even without a Fediverse account
In addition, I can turn comments on and off for specific posts. Mind you, if it's a reply, it isn't a post, it's a comment, and I've got no control over it.
On (streams) and Forte, the channel-wide permission to comment is uncoupled from the permission to like or dislike. The channel-wide options are- only myself plus certain contacts
- only my contacts
- anyone in the Fediverse
- anyone anywhere on the Web, even without a Fediverse account
On top of that, I can generally allow comments only for a certain number of days.
Again, I can turn comments on and off for specific posts. But I can also only allow my contacts to comment on specific posts, and I can define until when comments are allowed on specific posts.
In all three cases, I can even choose to preview technically unpermitted comments and then decide whether I allow or reject them, one by one.
In other words, where I am (I'm commenting from Hubzilla), this not only has been available for longer than Mastodon has even existed, but it's deeply engrained into the culture.
About "quote gating": Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte have all always (in Friendica's case, since 2010) had both actual quotes like on bulletin-board forums (remember the 2000s when forums were all the rage?) and Twitter-quote-tweet-style quote-posts (which literally were the only way for them to share content before they adopted Twitter-retweet-style forwarding).
The former obviously only works in comments. Whether or not it's allowed is defined by whether or not comments are allowed.
The latter doesn't have any permission setting, not even on Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte with the most advanced permissions systems in the whole Fediverse. That's because their inventor says that it's technologically impossible to keep people from forwarding or sharing your content in separate posts.
If you disallow actual quote-posts, people can still copy-paste the content of your post into a new post. Unlike when you're actually being quote-posted, you won't even notice unless they mention you. Mind you, while an estimated 60% of all Mastodon users are on iPhones, and another estimated 39% are on Android phones, 100% of all Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte users are on desktop or laptop computers where copy-paste is easy-peasy. It's pretty much impossible to disallow copy-paste, and even if it was, people would resort to screenshots.
You don't want people to quote-post your stuff? Then don't make it public. Once it's public, it's out there, and anyone can do with it whatever they please.
Nobody really misses an actual permission for quote-posts. That's also because Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte aren't primarily a home for Twitter refugees. In fact, neither of them can even understand the ruckus about quote-posts on Mastodon, and neither can Friendica users. Hardly any of them have been on Twitter at any point in the 2020s. There's no influence of Twitter culture anywhere to be found.
The typical path into Hubzilla is not Twitter > Musk buys Twitter > Mastodon > Hubzilla. Not even Twitter > Musk buys Twitter > Mastodon > Friendica > Hubzilla. It's Facebook > diaspora* > Friendica > Hubzilla. Or Facebook > Google+ > diaspora* > Friendica > Hubzilla. The typical path into (streams) is the same, but one step further beyond Hubzilla. The typical path into Forte is the same as into (streams), but another step further beyond (streams).
About the iPhone: Whether or not the iPhone is a status symbol depends on where you are.
In the USA, the iPhone is the Levi's jeans of phones. It's the Ford F-150 of phones. The allegedly all-American American phone. Most importantly, it's what everyone has.
Over here in Germany, the iPhone is the higher-class Mercedes-Benz of phones. The iPhone 15 Pro is the 2026 Mercedes-Benz-AMG E 53 of phones. The iPhone 15 Pro Max is the 2026 Mercedes-Benz-AMG S 63 E Performance of phones, slammed suspensions, standing on polished 22" Lexani wheels, muffler cut-outs always open. In American terms, it's the 2026 Cadillac Escalade-V of phones, gold-foiled, with air-ride, standing on gold-plated 26" Bellagio spinnaz. The phone made for peacocking in rap music video clips. It's the Rolex of phones. For women, it's the genuine Prada or Fendi or Louis Vuitton handbag of phones.
Well, and then there's the iPhone 4S with the cracked screen. It's the 1995 Mercedes-Benz E-Class of phones. Old, worn out, four-banger engine, often rusty as hell, may have been stolen at some point, but it's cheap. And most importantly, it's still a Benz, and it's a real Benz as opposed to "Baby Benz" C-Class and smaller. The Benz for those who need a Benz to show their folks how much of a winner they are, but who can't really afford one.
Over here, the Samsung Galaxy S is the VW Golf of phones. The Americans' Ford F-150 of phones. It's what everyone has. It's the no-brainer that you buy when you don't know what to buy, so you buy what everyone buys. Still, it's expensive for what it does. But all the other brands are akin to "cheap imports" from, what, France or Italy or Japan or Korea or Romania.
The choice of the hardcore nerds in the homeland of Chaos Computer Club and Chaos Communication Congress is never something that can only run stock Android. It's an iPhone even less. They rather buy a Google Pixel, and the first thing they do is root it immediately and install GrapheneOS. Or if they refuse to buy something from Google and/or run a Google OS (de-Googled or not), they acquire a Sony Experia, root it and install SailfishOS. Or they go straight for a Fairphone or even the new Jolla Phone or something like that. I'm pretty sure many want a true successor to the Nokia N900.
If Google locks Android down, these nerds won't flock to Apple. Some may switch to SailfishOS which, on officially supported phones, has the Aliendalvik compatibility layer for Android apps, but only with F-Droid and neither with the Google Play Store proper nor with Micro-G. Many more will go entirely elsewhere like PostmarketOS or PureOS, also seeing as SailfishOS is payware that's half proprietary and closed-source. Or they'll forgo mobile phones entirely or keep old phones alive for as long as they can.
About iOS apps: I guess the notion that the Fediverse equals Mastodon, something that the majorty of Mastodon users believe, is particularly wide-spread among iPhone users. And if it isn't only Mastodon, it doesn't extend beyond Mastodon, Pixelfed and PeerTube. Excluding Pixelfed and PeerTube, if Mastodon can't do it, the Fediverse as a whole can't. I mean, on top of the fact that apps made for Mastodon generally only support Mastodon features because the Mastodon Client API only supports Mastodon features, and the Mastodon Client API is all that these apps understand.
It's particularly bad for Friendica users. If they're on Android, they may opt for a Mastodon app. There are several Android apps for Mastodon that have been reported to work with Friendica. Or they may want to try one of the dedicated Friendica apps which are at various levels of unfinished. Or they may choose the middle-ground and use Fedilab.
But if they're on an iPhone, they'll discover that literally not even a single Mastodon iOS app works with Friendica. There is no Fedilab. And the iOS version of RaccoonForFriendica requires Test Flight, and it's probably even more incomplete than the Android version.
In general, iPhone apps are rarely developed for the same reasons as Android apps. Most Android Fediverse apps are open-source and under a free license, and they're also or exclusively available on F-Droid. They're developed by FLOSS enthusiasts/idealists. However, these people don't develop for iOS. That's because the Apple App Store is inherently hostile towards free software, and it's completely incompatible with all versions of the GNU General Public License.
Also, as you've already pointed out, you absolutely need a Mac to develop iOS apps. But if someone releases FLOSS apps on F-Droid, you can bet they're running GNU/Linux at home (more often Arch or a derivative than you may think), and they won't touch any corporate-made, closed-source OS with a 10-foot barge pole. They may even steer clear of anything where Novell, Red Hat or Canonical is involved.
With hobbyist FLOSS enthusiasts out of the way of developing iPhone apps, this is only ever done by those who do it for money. Or fame and social status (same reason why they always have a fairly new iPhone). Or both. But then they discovered that the Fediverse, to them at least, is a hive of radical leftist tech nerds whom you can't impress with expensive bling-bling from big American gigacorps. They failed to gather the umpteen thousand followers they wanted. So they left for greener pastures: Bluesky. Or they even went back to their hundreds of thousands of followers on 𝕏. Doing so, they also abandoned their iPhone app development.
By the way, none of this affects Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte. For starters, just like Friendica, all four can be installed as Progressive Web Apps. However, at least in the case of these three, there is no alternative to the Web interface whatsoever. There's an old Android app for Hubzilla named Nomad, but it's only available on F-Droid, it hasn't been worked on since December, 2019, it only runs on older Android versions and Aliendalvik, and it's only a wrapper for the Web interface anyway. For (streams) and Forte, there's zilch.
There has been some talk about developing a native mobile Hubzilla app. It's kind of difficult, though. Generally, Hubzilla users use Hubzilla on desktop OS's. They can't imagine people daily-driving phones as their main or only end-user devices, so they think that a Hubzilla app only needs the features one would need when out and about because everyone will go back to their desktop or laptop computers anyway when they're back home.
In reality, many users of the Hubzilla app will only use that app. They won't use Hubzilla's Web interface in a browser. They won't use it on a desktop or laptop computer either, usually because they simply don't have one. They'll resort to that app for everything. In fact, they'll perceive Hubzilla as a phone app rather than a Fediverse server application. This means that a Hubzilla mobile app will inevitably have to cover all of Hubzilla's features except those that really don't make sense in a phone app (e.g. the PDL editor). But a fully-featured Hubzilla app would be so complex, it'd make infamous K-9 Mail pale in comparison.
Licensing is the least problem here. Hubzilla and Forte are released under the MIT license, (streams) was released into the public domain. So I guess putting an app for either of them under the MIT license would be an option, one that's fairly compatible with the Apple App Store even. It's just that this app would be bound to be an absolute monster.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #QuotePost #QuotePosts #QuoteTweet #QuoteTweets #QuoteToot #QuoteToots #QuoteBoost #QuoteBoosts #QuotedShares #QuotePostDebate #QuoteTootDebate #ReplyControl #Permissions #MastodonApp #MastodonApps #FediverseApp #FediverseApps #iOS #iOSApp #iOSApps #iPhone #iPhoneApp #iPhoneApps #Android #AndroidApp #AndroidApps -
@Pawlicker About "reply gating": This, or something similar, has been a standard feature at least on Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte from the get-go, i.e. from their respective creation on. Hubzilla has had it since 2012. All three rely heavily on permissions for anything and everything. They can make themselves and each other hide the reply button. When someone wants to comment from Mastodon or something else that doesn't understand these permissions, these three simply reject unpermitted comments before they even reach the inbox.
On Hubzilla, the channel-wide permission to comment also includes a permission to like or dislike something. I can generally allow- only myself
- only certain contacts
- only my contacts
- only my contacts plus those with an unapproved contact request
- anyone on the same Hubzilla hub as me
- anyone on Hubzilla (strangely, this does exclude (streams) channels)
- anyone in the Fediverse
- anyone anywhere on the Web, even without a Fediverse account
In addition, I can turn comments on and off for specific posts. Mind you, if it's a reply, it isn't a post, it's a comment, and I've got no control over it.
On (streams) and Forte, the channel-wide permission to comment is uncoupled from the permission to like or dislike. The channel-wide options are- only myself plus certain contacts
- only my contacts
- anyone in the Fediverse
- anyone anywhere on the Web, even without a Fediverse account
On top of that, I can generally allow comments only for a certain number of days.
Again, I can turn comments on and off for specific posts. But I can also only allow my contacts to comment on specific posts, and I can define until when comments are allowed on specific posts.
In all three cases, I can even choose to preview technically unpermitted comments and then decide whether I allow or reject them, one by one.
In other words, where I am (I'm commenting from Hubzilla), this not only has been available for longer than Mastodon has even existed, but it's deeply engrained into the culture.
About "quote gating": Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte have all always (in Friendica's case, since 2010) had both actual quotes like on bulletin-board forums (remember the 2000s when forums were all the rage?) and Twitter-quote-tweet-style quote-posts (which literally were the only way for them to share content before they adopted Twitter-retweet-style forwarding).
The former obviously only works in comments. Whether or not it's allowed is defined by whether or not comments are allowed.
The latter doesn't have any permission setting, not even on Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte with the most advanced permissions systems in the whole Fediverse. That's because their inventor says that it's technologically impossible to keep people from forwarding or sharing your content in separate posts.
If you disallow actual quote-posts, people can still copy-paste the content of your post into a new post. Unlike when you're actually being quote-posted, you won't even notice unless they mention you. Mind you, while an estimated 60% of all Mastodon users are on iPhones, and another estimated 39% are on Android phones, 100% of all Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte users are on desktop or laptop computers where copy-paste is easy-peasy. It's pretty much impossible to disallow copy-paste, and even if it was, people would resort to screenshots.
You don't want people to quote-post your stuff? Then don't make it public. Once it's public, it's out there, and anyone can do with it whatever they please.
Nobody really misses an actual permission for quote-posts. That's also because Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte aren't primarily a home for Twitter refugees. In fact, neither of them can even understand the ruckus about quote-posts on Mastodon, and neither can Friendica users. Hardly any of them have been on Twitter at any point in the 2020s. There's no influence of Twitter culture anywhere to be found.
The typical path into Hubzilla is not Twitter > Musk buys Twitter > Mastodon > Hubzilla. Not even Twitter > Musk buys Twitter > Mastodon > Friendica > Hubzilla. It's Facebook > diaspora* > Friendica > Hubzilla. Or Facebook > Google+ > diaspora* > Friendica > Hubzilla. The typical path into (streams) is the same, but one step further beyond Hubzilla. The typical path into Forte is the same as into (streams), but another step further beyond (streams).
About the iPhone: Whether or not the iPhone is a status symbol depends on where you are.
In the USA, the iPhone is the Levi's jeans of phones. It's the Ford F-150 of phones. The allegedly all-American American phone. Most importantly, it's what everyone has.
Over here in Germany, the iPhone is the higher-class Mercedes-Benz of phones. The iPhone 15 Pro is the 2026 Mercedes-Benz-AMG E 53 of phones. The iPhone 15 Pro Max is the 2026 Mercedes-Benz-AMG S 63 E Performance of phones, slammed suspensions, standing on polished 22" Lexani wheels, muffler cut-outs always open. In American terms, it's the 2026 Cadillac Escalade-V of phones, gold-foiled, with air-ride, standing on gold-plated 26" Bellagio spinnaz. The phone made for peacocking in rap music video clips. It's the Rolex of phones. For women, it's the genuine Prada or Fendi or Louis Vuitton handbag of phones.
Well, and then there's the iPhone 4S with the cracked screen. It's the 1995 Mercedes-Benz E-Class of phones. Old, worn out, four-banger engine, often rusty as hell, may have been stolen at some point, but it's cheap. And most importantly, it's still a Benz, and it's a real Benz as opposed to "Baby Benz" C-Class and smaller. The Benz for those who need a Benz to show their folks how much of a winner they are, but who can't really afford one.
Over here, the Samsung Galaxy S is the VW Golf of phones. The Americans' Ford F-150 of phones. It's what everyone has. It's the no-brainer that you buy when you don't know what to buy, so you buy what everyone buys. Still, it's expensive for what it does. But all the other brands are akin to "cheap imports" from, what, France or Italy or Japan or Korea or Romania.
The choice of the hardcore nerds in the homeland of Chaos Computer Club and Chaos Communication Congress is never something that can only run stock Android. It's an iPhone even less. They rather buy a Google Pixel, and the first thing they do is root it immediately and install GrapheneOS. Or if they refuse to buy something from Google and/or run a Google OS (de-Googled or not), they acquire a Sony Experia, root it and install SailfishOS. Or they go straight for a Fairphone or even the new Jolla Phone or something like that. I'm pretty sure many want a true successor to the Nokia N900.
If Google locks Android down, these nerds won't flock to Apple. Some may switch to SailfishOS which, on officially supported phones, has the Aliendalvik compatibility layer for Android apps, but only with F-Droid and neither with the Google Play Store proper nor with Micro-G. Many more will go entirely elsewhere like PostmarketOS or PureOS, also seeing as SailfishOS is payware that's half proprietary and closed-source. Or they'll forgo mobile phones entirely or keep old phones alive for as long as they can.
About iOS apps: I guess the notion that the Fediverse equals Mastodon, something that the majorty of Mastodon users believe, is particularly wide-spread among iPhone users. And if it isn't only Mastodon, it doesn't extend beyond Mastodon, Pixelfed and PeerTube. Excluding Pixelfed and PeerTube, if Mastodon can't do it, the Fediverse as a whole can't. I mean, on top of the fact that apps made for Mastodon generally only support Mastodon features because the Mastodon Client API only supports Mastodon features, and the Mastodon Client API is all that these apps understand.
It's particularly bad for Friendica users. If they're on Android, they may opt for a Mastodon app. There are several Android apps for Mastodon that have been reported to work with Friendica. Or they may want to try one of the dedicated Friendica apps which are at various levels of unfinished. Or they may choose the middle-ground and use Fedilab.
But if they're on an iPhone, they'll discover that literally not even a single Mastodon iOS app works with Friendica. There is no Fedilab. And the iOS version of RaccoonForFriendica requires Test Flight, and it's probably even more incomplete than the Android version.
In general, iPhone apps are rarely developed for the same reasons as Android apps. Most Android Fediverse apps are open-source and under a free license, and they're also or exclusively available on F-Droid. They're developed by FLOSS enthusiasts/idealists. However, these people don't develop for iOS. That's because the Apple App Store is inherently hostile towards free software, and it's completely incompatible with all versions of the GNU General Public License.
Also, as you've already pointed out, you absolutely need a Mac to develop iOS apps. But if someone releases FLOSS apps on F-Droid, you can bet they're running GNU/Linux at home (more often Arch or a derivative than you may think), and they won't touch any corporate-made, closed-source OS with a 10-foot barge pole. They may even steer clear of anything where Novell, Red Hat or Canonical is involved.
With hobbyist FLOSS enthusiasts out of the way of developing iPhone apps, this is only ever done by those who do it for money. Or fame and social status (same reason why they always have a fairly new iPhone). Or both. But then they discovered that the Fediverse, to them at least, is a hive of radical leftist tech nerds whom you can't impress with expensive bling-bling from big American gigacorps. They failed to gather the umpteen thousand followers they wanted. So they left for greener pastures: Bluesky. Or they even went back to their hundreds of thousands of followers on 𝕏. Doing so, they also abandoned their iPhone app development.
By the way, none of this affects Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte. For starters, just like Friendica, all four can be installed as Progressive Web Apps. However, at least in the case of these three, there is no alternative to the Web interface whatsoever. There's an old Android app for Hubzilla named Nomad, but it's only available on F-Droid, it hasn't been worked on since December, 2019, it only runs on older Android versions and Aliendalvik, and it's only a wrapper for the Web interface anyway. For (streams) and Forte, there's zilch.
There has been some talk about developing a native mobile Hubzilla app. It's kind of difficult, though. Generally, Hubzilla users use Hubzilla on desktop OS's. They can't imagine people daily-driving phones as their main or only end-user devices, so they think that a Hubzilla app only needs the features one would need when out and about because everyone will go back to their desktop or laptop computers anyway when they're back home.
In reality, many users of the Hubzilla app will only use that app. They won't use Hubzilla's Web interface in a browser. They won't use it on a desktop or laptop computer either, usually because they simply don't have one. They'll resort to that app for everything. In fact, they'll perceive Hubzilla as a phone app rather than a Fediverse server application. This means that a Hubzilla mobile app will inevitably have to cover all of Hubzilla's features except those that really don't make sense in a phone app (e.g. the PDL editor). But a fully-featured Hubzilla app would be so complex, it'd make infamous K-9 Mail pale in comparison.
Licensing is the least problem here. Hubzilla and Forte are released under the MIT license, (streams) was released into the public domain. So I guess putting an app for either of them under the MIT license would be an option, one that's fairly compatible with the Apple App Store even. It's just that this app would be bound to be an absolute monster.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #QuotePost #QuotePosts #QuoteTweet #QuoteTweets #QuoteToot #QuoteToots #QuoteBoost #QuoteBoosts #QuotedShares #QuotePostDebate #QuoteTootDebate #ReplyControl #Permissions #MastodonApp #MastodonApps #FediverseApp #FediverseApps #iOS #iOSApp #iOSApps #iPhone #iPhoneApp #iPhoneApps #Android #AndroidApp #AndroidApps -
@Pawlicker About "reply gating": This, or something similar, has been a standard feature at least on Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte from the get-go, i.e. from their respective creation on. Hubzilla has had it since 2012. All three rely heavily on permissions for anything and everything. They can make themselves and each other hide the reply button. When someone wants to comment from Mastodon or something else that doesn't understand these permissions, these three simply reject unpermitted comments before they even reach the inbox.
On Hubzilla, the channel-wide permission to comment also includes a permission to like or dislike something. I can generally allow- only myself
- only certain contacts
- only my contacts
- only my contacts plus those with an unapproved contact request
- anyone on the same Hubzilla hub as me
- anyone on Hubzilla (strangely, this does exclude (streams) channels)
- anyone in the Fediverse
- anyone anywhere on the Web, even without a Fediverse account
In addition, I can turn comments on and off for specific posts. Mind you, if it's a reply, it isn't a post, it's a comment, and I've got no control over it.
On (streams) and Forte, the channel-wide permission to comment is uncoupled from the permission to like or dislike. The channel-wide options are- only myself plus certain contacts
- only my contacts
- anyone in the Fediverse
- anyone anywhere on the Web, even without a Fediverse account
On top of that, I can generally allow comments only for a certain number of days.
Again, I can turn comments on and off for specific posts. But I can also only allow my contacts to comment on specific posts, and I can define until when comments are allowed on specific posts.
In all three cases, I can even choose to preview technically unpermitted comments and then decide whether I allow or reject them, one by one.
In other words, where I am (I'm commenting from Hubzilla), this not only has been available for longer than Mastodon has even existed, but it's deeply engrained into the culture.
About "quote gating": Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte have all always (in Friendica's case, since 2010) had both actual quotes like on bulletin-board forums (remember the 2000s when forums were all the rage?) and Twitter-quote-tweet-style quote-posts (which literally were the only way for them to share content before they adopted Twitter-retweet-style forwarding).
The former obviously only works in comments. Whether or not it's allowed is defined by whether or not comments are allowed.
The latter doesn't have any permission setting, not even on Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte with the most advanced permissions systems in the whole Fediverse. That's because their inventor says that it's technologically impossible to keep people from forwarding or sharing your content in separate posts.
If you disallow actual quote-posts, people can still copy-paste the content of your post into a new post. Unlike when you're actually being quote-posted, you won't even notice unless they mention you. Mind you, while an estimated 60% of all Mastodon users are on iPhones, and another estimated 39% are on Android phones, 100% of all Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte users are on desktop or laptop computers where copy-paste is easy-peasy. It's pretty much impossible to disallow copy-paste, and even if it was, people would resort to screenshots.
You don't want people to quote-post your stuff? Then don't make it public. Once it's public, it's out there, and anyone can do with it whatever they please.
Nobody really misses an actual permission for quote-posts. That's also because Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte aren't primarily a home for Twitter refugees. In fact, neither of them can even understand the ruckus about quote-posts on Mastodon, and neither can Friendica users. Hardly any of them have been on Twitter at any point in the 2020s. There's no influence of Twitter culture anywhere to be found.
The typical path into Hubzilla is not Twitter > Musk buys Twitter > Mastodon > Hubzilla. Not even Twitter > Musk buys Twitter > Mastodon > Friendica > Hubzilla. It's Facebook > diaspora* > Friendica > Hubzilla. Or Facebook > Google+ > diaspora* > Friendica > Hubzilla. The typical path into (streams) is the same, but one step further beyond Hubzilla. The typical path into Forte is the same as into (streams), but another step further beyond (streams).
About the iPhone: Whether or not the iPhone is a status symbol depends on where you are.
In the USA, the iPhone is the Levi's jeans of phones. It's the Ford F-150 of phones. The allegedly all-American American phone. Most importantly, it's what everyone has.
Over here in Germany, the iPhone is the higher-class Mercedes-Benz of phones. The iPhone 15 Pro is the 2026 Mercedes-Benz-AMG E 53 of phones. The iPhone 15 Pro Max is the 2026 Mercedes-Benz-AMG S 63 E Performance of phones, slammed suspensions, standing on polished 22" Lexani wheels, muffler cut-outs always open. In American terms, it's the 2026 Cadillac Escalade-V of phones, gold-foiled, with air-ride, standing on gold-plated 26" Bellagio spinnaz. The phone made for peacocking in rap music video clips. It's the Rolex of phones. For women, it's the genuine Prada or Fendi or Louis Vuitton handbag of phones.
Well, and then there's the iPhone 4S with the cracked screen. It's the 1995 Mercedes-Benz E-Class of phones. Old, worn out, four-banger engine, often rusty as hell, may have been stolen at some point, but it's cheap. And most importantly, it's still a Benz, and it's a real Benz as opposed to "Baby Benz" C-Class and smaller. The Benz for those who need a Benz to show their folks how much of a winner they are, but who can't really afford one.
Over here, the Samsung Galaxy S is the VW Golf of phones. The Americans' Ford F-150 of phones. It's what everyone has. It's the no-brainer that you buy when you don't know what to buy, so you buy what everyone buys. Still, it's expensive for what it does. But all the other brands are akin to "cheap imports" from, what, France or Italy or Japan or Korea or Romania.
The choice of the hardcore nerds in the homeland of Chaos Computer Club and Chaos Communication Congress is never something that can only run stock Android. It's an iPhone even less. They rather buy a Google Pixel, and the first thing they do is root it immediately and install GrapheneOS. Or if they refuse to buy something from Google and/or run a Google OS (de-Googled or not), they acquire a Sony Experia, root it and install SailfishOS. Or they go straight for a Fairphone or even the new Jolla Phone or something like that. I'm pretty sure many want a true successor to the Nokia N900.
If Google locks Android down, these nerds won't flock to Apple. Some may switch to SailfishOS which, on officially supported phones, has the Aliendalvik compatibility layer for Android apps, but only with F-Droid and neither with the Google Play Store proper nor with Micro-G. Many more will go entirely elsewhere like PostmarketOS or PureOS, also seeing as SailfishOS is payware that's half proprietary and closed-source. Or they'll forgo mobile phones entirely or keep old phones alive for as long as they can.
About iOS apps: I guess the notion that the Fediverse equals Mastodon, something that the majorty of Mastodon users believe, is particularly wide-spread among iPhone users. And if it isn't only Mastodon, it doesn't extend beyond Mastodon, Pixelfed and PeerTube. Excluding Pixelfed and PeerTube, if Mastodon can't do it, the Fediverse as a whole can't. I mean, on top of the fact that apps made for Mastodon generally only support Mastodon features because the Mastodon Client API only supports Mastodon features, and the Mastodon Client API is all that these apps understand.
It's particularly bad for Friendica users. If they're on Android, they may opt for a Mastodon app. There are several Android apps for Mastodon that have been reported to work with Friendica. Or they may want to try one of the dedicated Friendica apps which are at various levels of unfinished. Or they may choose the middle-ground and use Fedilab.
But if they're on an iPhone, they'll discover that literally not even a single Mastodon iOS app works with Friendica. There is no Fedilab. And the iOS version of RaccoonForFriendica requires Test Flight, and it's probably even more incomplete than the Android version.
In general, iPhone apps are rarely developed for the same reasons as Android apps. Most Android Fediverse apps are open-source and under a free license, and they're also or exclusively available on F-Droid. They're developed by FLOSS enthusiasts/idealists. However, these people don't develop for iOS. That's because the Apple App Store is inherently hostile towards free software, and it's completely incompatible with all versions of the GNU General Public License.
Also, as you've already pointed out, you absolutely need a Mac to develop iOS apps. But if someone releases FLOSS apps on F-Droid, you can bet they're running GNU/Linux at home (more often Arch or a derivative than you may think), and they won't touch any corporate-made, closed-source OS with a 10-foot barge pole. They may even steer clear of anything where Novell, Red Hat or Canonical is involved.
With hobbyist FLOSS enthusiasts out of the way of developing iPhone apps, this is only ever done by those who do it for money. Or fame and social status (same reason why they always have a fairly new iPhone). Or both. But then they discovered that the Fediverse, to them at least, is a hive of radical leftist tech nerds whom you can't impress with expensive bling-bling from big American gigacorps. They failed to gather the umpteen thousand followers they wanted. So they left for greener pastures: Bluesky. Or they even went back to their hundreds of thousands of followers on 𝕏. Doing so, they also abandoned their iPhone app development.
By the way, none of this affects Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte. For starters, just like Friendica, all four can be installed as Progressive Web Apps. However, at least in the case of these three, there is no alternative to the Web interface whatsoever. There's an old Android app for Hubzilla named Nomad, but it's only available on F-Droid, it hasn't been worked on since December, 2019, it only runs on older Android versions and Aliendalvik, and it's only a wrapper for the Web interface anyway. For (streams) and Forte, there's zilch.
There has been some talk about developing a native mobile Hubzilla app. It's kind of difficult, though. Generally, Hubzilla users use Hubzilla on desktop OS's. They can't imagine people daily-driving phones as their main or only end-user devices, so they think that a Hubzilla app only needs the features one would need when out and about because everyone will go back to their desktop or laptop computers anyway when they're back home.
In reality, many users of the Hubzilla app will only use that app. They won't use Hubzilla's Web interface in a browser. They won't use it on a desktop or laptop computer either, usually because they simply don't have one. They'll resort to that app for everything. In fact, they'll perceive Hubzilla as a phone app rather than a Fediverse server application. This means that a Hubzilla mobile app will inevitably have to cover all of Hubzilla's features except those that really don't make sense in a phone app (e.g. the PDL editor). But a fully-featured Hubzilla app would be so complex, it'd make infamous K-9 Mail pale in comparison.
Licensing is the least problem here. Hubzilla and Forte are released under the MIT license, (streams) was released into the public domain. So I guess putting an app for either of them under the MIT license would be an option, one that's fairly compatible with the Apple App Store even. It's just that this app would be bound to be an absolute monster.
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@Pawlicker About "reply gating": This, or something similar, has been a standard feature at least on Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte from the get-go, i.e. from their respective creation on. Hubzilla has had it since 2012. All three rely heavily on permissions for anything and everything. They can make themselves and each other hide the reply button. When someone wants to comment from Mastodon or something else that doesn't understand these permissions, these three simply reject unpermitted comments before they even reach the inbox.
On Hubzilla, the channel-wide permission to comment also includes a permission to like or dislike something. I can generally allow- only myself
- only certain contacts
- only my contacts
- only my contacts plus those with an unapproved contact request
- anyone on the same Hubzilla hub as me
- anyone on Hubzilla (strangely, this does exclude (streams) channels)
- anyone in the Fediverse
- anyone anywhere on the Web, even without a Fediverse account
In addition, I can turn comments on and off for specific posts. Mind you, if it's a reply, it isn't a post, it's a comment, and I've got no control over it.
On (streams) and Forte, the channel-wide permission to comment is uncoupled from the permission to like or dislike. The channel-wide options are- only myself plus certain contacts
- only my contacts
- anyone in the Fediverse
- anyone anywhere on the Web, even without a Fediverse account
On top of that, I can generally allow comments only for a certain number of days.
Again, I can turn comments on and off for specific posts. But I can also only allow my contacts to comment on specific posts, and I can define until when comments are allowed on specific posts.
In all three cases, I can even choose to preview technically unpermitted comments and then decide whether I allow or reject them, one by one.
In other words, where I am (I'm commenting from Hubzilla), this not only has been available for longer than Mastodon has even existed, but it's deeply engrained into the culture.
About "quote gating": Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte have all always (in Friendica's case, since 2010) had both actual quotes like on bulletin-board forums (remember the 2000s when forums were all the rage?) and Twitter-quote-tweet-style quote-posts (which literally were the only way for them to share content before they adopted Twitter-retweet-style forwarding).
The former obviously only works in comments. Whether or not it's allowed is defined by whether or not comments are allowed.
The latter doesn't have any permission setting, not even on Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte with the most advanced permissions systems in the whole Fediverse. That's because their inventor says that it's technologically impossible to keep people from forwarding or sharing your content in separate posts.
If you disallow actual quote-posts, people can still copy-paste the content of your post into a new post. Unlike when you're actually being quote-posted, you won't even notice unless they mention you. Mind you, while an estimated 60% of all Mastodon users are on iPhones, and another estimated 39% are on Android phones, 100% of all Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte users are on desktop or laptop computers where copy-paste is easy-peasy. It's pretty much impossible to disallow copy-paste, and even if it was, people would resort to screenshots.
You don't want people to quote-post your stuff? Then don't make it public. Once it's public, it's out there, and anyone can do with it whatever they please.
Nobody really misses an actual permission for quote-posts. That's also because Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte aren't primarily a home for Twitter refugees. In fact, neither of them can even understand the ruckus about quote-posts on Mastodon, and neither can Friendica users. Hardly any of them have been on Twitter at any point in the 2020s. There's no influence of Twitter culture anywhere to be found.
The typical path into Hubzilla is not Twitter > Musk buys Twitter > Mastodon > Hubzilla. Not even Twitter > Musk buys Twitter > Mastodon > Friendica > Hubzilla. It's Facebook > diaspora* > Friendica > Hubzilla. Or Facebook > Google+ > diaspora* > Friendica > Hubzilla. The typical path into (streams) is the same, but one step further beyond Hubzilla. The typical path into Forte is the same as into (streams), but another step further beyond (streams).
About the iPhone: Whether or not the iPhone is a status symbol depends on where you are.
In the USA, the iPhone is the Levi's jeans of phones. It's the Ford F-150 of phones. The allegedly all-American American phone. Most importantly, it's what everyone has.
Over here in Germany, the iPhone is the higher-class Mercedes-Benz of phones. The iPhone 15 Pro is the 2026 Mercedes-Benz-AMG E 53 of phones. The iPhone 15 Pro Max is the 2026 Mercedes-Benz-AMG S 63 E Performance of phones, slammed suspensions, standing on polished 22" Lexani wheels, muffler cut-outs always open. In American terms, it's the 2026 Cadillac Escalade-V of phones, gold-foiled, with air-ride, standing on gold-plated 26" Bellagio spinnaz. The phone made for peacocking in rap music video clips. It's the Rolex of phones. For women, it's the genuine Prada or Fendi or Louis Vuitton handbag of phones.
Well, and then there's the iPhone 4S with the cracked screen. It's the 1995 Mercedes-Benz E-Class of phones. Old, worn out, four-banger engine, often rusty as hell, may have been stolen at some point, but it's cheap. And most importantly, it's still a Benz, and it's a real Benz as opposed to "Baby Benz" C-Class and smaller. The Benz for those who need a Benz to show their folks how much of a winner they are, but who can't really afford one.
Over here, the Samsung Galaxy S is the VW Golf of phones. The Americans' Ford F-150 of phones. It's what everyone has. It's the no-brainer that you buy when you don't know what to buy, so you buy what everyone buys. Still, it's expensive for what it does. But all the other brands are akin to "cheap imports" from, what, France or Italy or Japan or Korea or Romania.
The choice of the hardcore nerds in the homeland of Chaos Computer Club and Chaos Communication Congress is never something that can only run stock Android. It's an iPhone even less. They rather buy a Google Pixel, and the first thing they do is root it immediately and install GrapheneOS. Or if they refuse to buy something from Google and/or run a Google OS (de-Googled or not), they acquire a Sony Experia, root it and install SailfishOS. Or they go straight for a Fairphone or even the new Jolla Phone or something like that. I'm pretty sure many want a true successor to the Nokia N900.
If Google locks Android down, these nerds won't flock to Apple. Some may switch to SailfishOS which, on officially supported phones, has the Aliendalvik compatibility layer for Android apps, but only with F-Droid and neither with the Google Play Store proper nor with Micro-G. Many more will go entirely elsewhere like PostmarketOS or PureOS, also seeing as SailfishOS is payware that's half proprietary and closed-source. Or they'll forgo mobile phones entirely or keep old phones alive for as long as they can.
About iOS apps: I guess the notion that the Fediverse equals Mastodon, something that the majorty of Mastodon users believe, is particularly wide-spread among iPhone users. And if it isn't only Mastodon, it doesn't extend beyond Mastodon, Pixelfed and PeerTube. Excluding Pixelfed and PeerTube, if Mastodon can't do it, the Fediverse as a whole can't. I mean, on top of the fact that apps made for Mastodon generally only support Mastodon features because the Mastodon Client API only supports Mastodon features, and the Mastodon Client API is all that these apps understand.
It's particularly bad for Friendica users. If they're on Android, they may opt for a Mastodon app. There are several Android apps for Mastodon that have been reported to work with Friendica. Or they may want to try one of the dedicated Friendica apps which are at various levels of unfinished. Or they may choose the middle-ground and use Fedilab.
But if they're on an iPhone, they'll discover that literally not even a single Mastodon iOS app works with Friendica. There is no Fedilab. And the iOS version of RaccoonForFriendica requires Test Flight, and it's probably even more incomplete than the Android version.
In general, iPhone apps are rarely developed for the same reasons as Android apps. Most Android Fediverse apps are open-source and under a free license, and they're also or exclusively available on F-Droid. They're developed by FLOSS enthusiasts/idealists. However, these people don't develop for iOS. That's because the Apple App Store is inherently hostile towards free software, and it's completely incompatible with all versions of the GNU General Public License.
Also, as you've already pointed out, you absolutely need a Mac to develop iOS apps. But if someone releases FLOSS apps on F-Droid, you can bet they're running GNU/Linux at home (more often Arch or a derivative than you may think), and they won't touch any corporate-made, closed-source OS with a 10-foot barge pole. They may even steer clear of anything where Novell, Red Hat or Canonical is involved.
With hobbyist FLOSS enthusiasts out of the way of developing iPhone apps, this is only ever done by those who do it for money. Or fame and social status (same reason why they always have a fairly new iPhone). Or both. But then they discovered that the Fediverse, to them at least, is a hive of radical leftist tech nerds whom you can't impress with expensive bling-bling from big American gigacorps. They failed to gather the umpteen thousand followers they wanted. So they left for greener pastures: Bluesky. Or they even went back to their hundreds of thousands of followers on 𝕏. Doing so, they also abandoned their iPhone app development.
By the way, none of this affects Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte. For starters, just like Friendica, all four can be installed as Progressive Web Apps. However, at least in the case of these three, there is no alternative to the Web interface whatsoever. There's an old Android app for Hubzilla named Nomad, but it's only available on F-Droid, it hasn't been worked on since December, 2019, it only runs on older Android versions and Aliendalvik, and it's only a wrapper for the Web interface anyway. For (streams) and Forte, there's zilch.
There has been some talk about developing a native mobile Hubzilla app. It's kind of difficult, though. Generally, Hubzilla users use Hubzilla on desktop OS's. They can't imagine people daily-driving phones as their main or only end-user devices, so they think that a Hubzilla app only needs the features one would need when out and about because everyone will go back to their desktop or laptop computers anyway when they're back home.
In reality, many users of the Hubzilla app will only use that app. They won't use Hubzilla's Web interface in a browser. They won't use it on a desktop or laptop computer either, usually because they simply don't have one. They'll resort to that app for everything. In fact, they'll perceive Hubzilla as a phone app rather than a Fediverse server application. This means that a Hubzilla mobile app will inevitably have to cover all of Hubzilla's features except those that really don't make sense in a phone app (e.g. the PDL editor). But a fully-featured Hubzilla app would be so complex, it'd make infamous K-9 Mail pale in comparison.
Licensing is the least problem here. Hubzilla and Forte are released under the MIT license, (streams) was released into the public domain. So I guess putting an app for either of them under the MIT license would be an option, one that's fairly compatible with the Apple App Store even. It's just that this app would be bound to be an absolute monster.
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@Pawlicker About "reply gating": This, or something similar, has been a standard feature at least on Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte from the get-go, i.e. from their respective creation on. Hubzilla has had it since 2012. All three rely heavily on permissions for anything and everything. They can make themselves and each other hide the reply button. When someone wants to comment from Mastodon or something else that doesn't understand these permissions, these three simply reject unpermitted comments before they even reach the inbox.
On Hubzilla, the channel-wide permission to comment also includes a permission to like or dislike something. I can generally allow- only myself
- only certain contacts
- only my contacts
- only my contacts plus those with an unapproved contact request
- anyone on the same Hubzilla hub as me
- anyone on Hubzilla (strangely, this does exclude (streams) channels)
- anyone in the Fediverse
- anyone anywhere on the Web, even without a Fediverse account
In addition, I can turn comments on and off for specific posts. Mind you, if it's a reply, it isn't a post, it's a comment, and I've got no control over it.
On (streams) and Forte, the channel-wide permission to comment is uncoupled from the permission to like or dislike. The channel-wide options are- only myself plus certain contacts
- only my contacts
- anyone in the Fediverse
- anyone anywhere on the Web, even without a Fediverse account
On top of that, I can generally allow comments only for a certain number of days.
Again, I can turn comments on and off for specific posts. But I can also only allow my contacts to comment on specific posts, and I can define until when comments are allowed on specific posts.
In all three cases, I can even choose to preview technically unpermitted comments and then decide whether I allow or reject them, one by one.
In other words, where I am (I'm commenting from Hubzilla), this not only has been available for longer than Mastodon has even existed, but it's deeply engrained into the culture.
About "quote gating": Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte have all always (in Friendica's case, since 2010) had both actual quotes like on bulletin-board forums (remember the 2000s when forums were all the rage?) and Twitter-quote-tweet-style quote-posts (which literally were the only way for them to share content before they adopted Twitter-retweet-style forwarding).
The former obviously only works in comments. Whether or not it's allowed is defined by whether or not comments are allowed.
The latter doesn't have any permission setting, not even on Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte with the most advanced permissions systems in the whole Fediverse. That's because their inventor says that it's technologically impossible to keep people from forwarding or sharing your content in separate posts.
If you disallow actual quote-posts, people can still copy-paste the content of your post into a new post. Unlike when you're actually being quote-posted, you won't even notice unless they mention you. Mind you, while an estimated 60% of all Mastodon users are on iPhones, and another estimated 39% are on Android phones, 100% of all Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte users are on desktop or laptop computers where copy-paste is easy-peasy. It's pretty much impossible to disallow copy-paste, and even if it was, people would resort to screenshots.
You don't want people to quote-post your stuff? Then don't make it public. Once it's public, it's out there, and anyone can do with it whatever they please.
Nobody really misses an actual permission for quote-posts. That's also because Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte aren't primarily a home for Twitter refugees. In fact, neither of them can even understand the ruckus about quote-posts on Mastodon, and neither can Friendica users. Hardly any of them have been on Twitter at any point in the 2020s. There's no influence of Twitter culture anywhere to be found.
The typical path into Hubzilla is not Twitter > Musk buys Twitter > Mastodon > Hubzilla. Not even Twitter > Musk buys Twitter > Mastodon > Friendica > Hubzilla. It's Facebook > diaspora* > Friendica > Hubzilla. Or Facebook > Google+ > diaspora* > Friendica > Hubzilla. The typical path into (streams) is the same, but one step further beyond Hubzilla. The typical path into Forte is the same as into (streams), but another step further beyond (streams).
About the iPhone: Whether or not the iPhone is a status symbol depends on where you are.
In the USA, the iPhone is the Levi's jeans of phones. It's the Ford F-150 of phones. The allegedly all-American American phone. Most importantly, it's what everyone has.
Over here in Germany, the iPhone is the higher-class Mercedes-Benz of phones. The iPhone 15 Pro is the 2026 Mercedes-Benz-AMG E 53 of phones. The iPhone 15 Pro Max is the 2026 Mercedes-Benz-AMG S 63 E Performance of phones, slammed suspensions, standing on polished 22" Lexani wheels, muffler cut-outs always open. In American terms, it's the 2026 Cadillac Escalade-V of phones, gold-foiled, with air-ride, standing on gold-plated 26" Bellagio spinnaz. The phone made for peacocking in rap music video clips. It's the Rolex of phones. For women, it's the genuine Prada or Fendi or Louis Vuitton handbag of phones.
Well, and then there's the iPhone 4S with the cracked screen. It's the 1995 Mercedes-Benz E-Class of phones. Old, worn out, four-banger engine, often rusty as hell, may have been stolen at some point, but it's cheap. And most importantly, it's still a Benz, and it's a real Benz as opposed to "Baby Benz" C-Class and smaller. The Benz for those who need a Benz to show their folks how much of a winner they are, but who can't really afford one.
Over here, the Samsung Galaxy S is the VW Golf of phones. The Americans' Ford F-150 of phones. It's what everyone has. It's the no-brainer that you buy when you don't know what to buy, so you buy what everyone buys. Still, it's expensive for what it does. But all the other brands are akin to "cheap imports" from, what, France or Italy or Japan or Korea or Romania.
The choice of the hardcore nerds in the homeland of Chaos Computer Club and Chaos Communication Congress is never something that can only run stock Android. It's an iPhone even less. They rather buy a Google Pixel, and the first thing they do is root it immediately and install GrapheneOS. Or if they refuse to buy something from Google and/or run a Google OS (de-Googled or not), they acquire a Sony Experia, root it and install SailfishOS. Or they go straight for a Fairphone or even the new Jolla Phone or something like that. I'm pretty sure many want a true successor to the Nokia N900.
If Google locks Android down, these nerds won't flock to Apple. Some may switch to SailfishOS which, on officially supported phones, has the Aliendalvik compatibility layer for Android apps, but only with F-Droid and neither with the Google Play Store proper nor with Micro-G. Many more will go entirely elsewhere like PostmarketOS or PureOS, also seeing as SailfishOS is payware that's half proprietary and closed-source. Or they'll forgo mobile phones entirely or keep old phones alive for as long as they can.
About iOS apps: I guess the notion that the Fediverse equals Mastodon, something that the majorty of Mastodon users believe, is particularly wide-spread among iPhone users. And if it isn't only Mastodon, it doesn't extend beyond Mastodon, Pixelfed and PeerTube. Excluding Pixelfed and PeerTube, if Mastodon can't do it, the Fediverse as a whole can't. I mean, on top of the fact that apps made for Mastodon generally only support Mastodon features because the Mastodon Client API only supports Mastodon features, and the Mastodon Client API is all that these apps understand.
It's particularly bad for Friendica users. If they're on Android, they may opt for a Mastodon app. There are several Android apps for Mastodon that have been reported to work with Friendica. Or they may want to try one of the dedicated Friendica apps which are at various levels of unfinished. Or they may choose the middle-ground and use Fedilab.
But if they're on an iPhone, they'll discover that literally not even a single Mastodon iOS app works with Friendica. There is no Fedilab. And the iOS version of RaccoonForFriendica requires Test Flight, and it's probably even more incomplete than the Android version.
In general, iPhone apps are rarely developed for the same reasons as Android apps. Most Android Fediverse apps are open-source and under a free license, and they're also or exclusively available on F-Droid. They're developed by FLOSS enthusiasts/idealists. However, these people don't develop for iOS. That's because the Apple App Store is inherently hostile towards free software, and it's completely incompatible with all versions of the GNU General Public License.
Also, as you've already pointed out, you absolutely need a Mac to develop iOS apps. But if someone releases FLOSS apps on F-Droid, you can bet they're running GNU/Linux at home (more often Arch or a derivative than you may think), and they won't touch any corporate-made, closed-source OS with a 10-foot barge pole. They may even steer clear of anything where Novell, Red Hat or Canonical is involved.
With hobbyist FLOSS enthusiasts out of the way of developing iPhone apps, this is only ever done by those who do it for money. Or fame and social status (same reason why they always have a fairly new iPhone). Or both. But then they discovered that the Fediverse, to them at least, is a hive of radical leftist tech nerds whom you can't impress with expensive bling-bling from big American gigacorps. They failed to gather the umpteen thousand followers they wanted. So they left for greener pastures: Bluesky. Or they even went back to their hundreds of thousands of followers on 𝕏. Doing so, they also abandoned their iPhone app development.
By the way, none of this affects Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte. For starters, just like Friendica, all four can be installed as Progressive Web Apps. However, at least in the case of these three, there is no alternative to the Web interface whatsoever. There's an old Android app for Hubzilla named Nomad, but it's only available on F-Droid, it hasn't been worked on since December, 2019, it only runs on older Android versions and Aliendalvik, and it's only a wrapper for the Web interface anyway. For (streams) and Forte, there's zilch.
There has been some talk about developing a native mobile Hubzilla app. It's kind of difficult, though. Generally, Hubzilla users use Hubzilla on desktop OS's. They can't imagine people daily-driving phones as their main or only end-user devices, so they think that a Hubzilla app only needs the features one would need when out and about because everyone will go back to their desktop or laptop computers anyway when they're back home.
In reality, many users of the Hubzilla app will only use that app. They won't use Hubzilla's Web interface in a browser. They won't use it on a desktop or laptop computer either, usually because they simply don't have one. They'll resort to that app for everything. In fact, they'll perceive Hubzilla as a phone app rather than a Fediverse server application. This means that a Hubzilla mobile app will inevitably have to cover all of Hubzilla's features except those that really don't make sense in a phone app (e.g. the PDL editor). But a fully-featured Hubzilla app would be so complex, it'd make infamous K-9 Mail pale in comparison.
Licensing is the least problem here. Hubzilla and Forte are released under the MIT license, (streams) was released into the public domain. So I guess putting an app for either of them under the MIT license would be an option, one that's fairly compatible with the Apple App Store even. It's just that this app would be bound to be an absolute monster.
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@raccoonforfriendicaapp version 1.0.0-beta1 has been released 🎉🎉🎉 not only in the usual Android flavour, but also in an experimental desktop version (for now as a .deb package, I'll add a Windows installer too soon)
What's new?
- feat: reply bar themes
- feat: explore foreign instances in guest mode
- feat: configure translations with LibreTranslate
- feat: display quoted posts
- fix: list/circle retrieval
- fix: instance change
- fix: reset notifications when switching mode
- fix: timeline loading (Mastodon)
- fix: search by post URL (Mastodon)
- enh: support large screens with adaptive layouts
- enh: improved hashtag charts appearance
- chore: new languages (et) and updates to other onesLet me know what issues you will be experiencing, I'm working on a new stable release before summer!
#livefasteattrash #raccoon #fediverse #app #kotlin #kmp #androidapp #fediverseapp #androiddev #mobileapp #desktopapp
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@raccoonforfriendicaapp version 1.0.0-beta1 has been released 🎉🎉🎉 not only in the usual Android flavour, but also in an experimental desktop version (for now as a .deb package, I'll add a Windows installer too soon)
What's new?
- feat: reply bar themes
- feat: explore foreign instances in guest mode
- feat: configure translations with LibreTranslate
- feat: display quoted posts
- fix: list/circle retrieval
- fix: instance change
- fix: reset notifications when switching mode
- fix: timeline loading (Mastodon)
- fix: search by post URL (Mastodon)
- enh: support large screens with adaptive layouts
- enh: improved hashtag charts appearance
- chore: new languages (et) and updates to other onesLet me know what issues you will be experiencing, I'm working on a new stable release before summer!
#livefasteattrash #raccoon #fediverse #app #kotlin #kmp #androidapp #fediverseapp #androiddev #mobileapp #desktopapp
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The time is probably right.
Back in 2022, when I was still using iOS, I wasn’t completely happy with the Fediverse apps that were available. I was mostly using Akkoma, and the interface I liked the most was actually its web UI, even on mobile. So I started playing with Xcode and put together the foundations of an app tailored to my needs.
A lot has changed since then and today we have great alternatives like IceCubes, Mona, Ivory, etc. Each one has strengths and weaknesses though, so I picked up my old project again and kept pushing it forward.
So I’m happy to announce that my app will finally see the light: I’ve been using it for the past few days and, in my spare time, I’m fixing bugs and adding missing features. I’m building it around my own needs, so it doesn’t have to “appeal to everyone”. I wouldn’t call it opinionated, but it’s definitely targeted.
The app will have one key trait: #snac2 support will be a first-class feature, not an incidental one. Many apps, especially on iOS, support snac as a side effect, but the experience is often not optimal. In this case, the choice is deliberate and it strictly follows the Mastodon API support implemented by snac. So snac will work properly (within the limits of the platform, of course).
Among the features already implemented: the app is minimal and lightweight (under 10 MB, including debug code), easy on RAM, and privacy-first (for example it strips EXIF data from media before posting, so the server will never see it). On snac it also cleans up the "Boosted by Aoderelay" messages that appear when using a relay, removes the character limit, and supports posting in Markdown.
I also added support for Apple Intelligence to generate alt text, both for the media I post and for media posted by others that is missing alt text.
Everything is processed locally through Apple APIs and only on supported devices. The results aren't amazing, Apple Intelligence is extremely limited, but in my opinion it's the only privacy-friendly and ethical way to approach it. And of course, you can disable it.
On Mastodon it supports all the main features: lists, quote posts, granular notifications (you can choose what you want for each category), notification grouping, multi-account support, and it works.
It's still missing a few things (block, etc.) and has some bugs, which I’m spotting as I keep using it.
As soon as it's stable enough, I'll invite a few people to test it. I still haven't fully decided how I'll distribute it: an Apple Developer account has a yearly cost, and I hope to reuse it for other projects too. So this app might be paid, with a trial period, but if possible (I still need to check what’s feasible) I'd like it to be free if you connect to one of the BSD Cafe instances, illumos Cafe, or any snac instance, including your own.I don't know how long it will take before it's ready... but I can already tell you what it will be called.
It already has a name, and it's... MastoBlaster.This name was chosen for personal reasons, and also because of its similarity to Master Blaster by Stevie Wonder, which even today feels relevant and fitting for the Fediverse.
Stay tuned!
#MastoBlaster #Fediverse #Mastodon #iOS #FediverseApp #Announcement #Apple #snac #snac2 #BSDCafe #illumosCafe
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The time is probably right.
Back in 2022, when I was still using iOS, I wasn’t completely happy with the Fediverse apps that were available. I was mostly using Akkoma, and the interface I liked the most was actually its web UI, even on mobile. So I started playing with Xcode and put together the foundations of an app tailored to my needs.
A lot has changed since then and today we have great alternatives like IceCubes, Mona, Ivory, etc. Each one has strengths and weaknesses though, so I picked up my old project again and kept pushing it forward.
So I’m happy to announce that my app will finally see the light: I’ve been using it for the past few days and, in my spare time, I’m fixing bugs and adding missing features. I’m building it around my own needs, so it doesn’t have to “appeal to everyone”. I wouldn’t call it opinionated, but it’s definitely targeted.
The app will have one key trait: #snac2 support will be a first-class feature, not an incidental one. Many apps, especially on iOS, support snac as a side effect, but the experience is often not optimal. In this case, the choice is deliberate and it strictly follows the Mastodon API support implemented by snac. So snac will work properly (within the limits of the platform, of course).
Among the features already implemented: the app is minimal and lightweight (under 10 MB, including debug code), easy on RAM, and privacy-first (for example it strips EXIF data from media before posting, so the server will never see it). On snac it also cleans up the "Boosted by Aoderelay" messages that appear when using a relay, removes the character limit, and supports posting in Markdown.
I also added support for Apple Intelligence to generate alt text, both for the media I post and for media posted by others that is missing alt text.
Everything is processed locally through Apple APIs and only on supported devices. The results aren't amazing, Apple Intelligence is extremely limited, but in my opinion it's the only privacy-friendly and ethical way to approach it. And of course, you can disable it.
On Mastodon it supports all the main features: lists, quote posts, granular notifications (you can choose what you want for each category), notification grouping, multi-account support, and it works.
It's still missing a few things (block, etc.) and has some bugs, which I’m spotting as I keep using it.
As soon as it's stable enough, I'll invite a few people to test it. I still haven't fully decided how I'll distribute it: an Apple Developer account has a yearly cost, and I hope to reuse it for other projects too. So this app might be paid, with a trial period, but if possible (I still need to check what’s feasible) I'd like it to be free if you connect to one of the BSD Cafe instances, illumos Cafe, or any snac instance, including your own.I don't know how long it will take before it's ready... but I can already tell you what it will be called.
It already has a name, and it's... MastoBlaster.This name was chosen for personal reasons, and also because of its similarity to Master Blaster by Stevie Wonder, which even today feels relevant and fitting for the Fediverse.
Stay tuned!
#MastoBlaster #Fediverse #Mastodon #iOS #FediverseApp #Announcement #Apple #snac #snac2 #BSDCafe #illumosCafe
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Good day all! Fireside Fedi Episode 59 starts NOW!
Special Guest: @gabboman @javascript
#WAFRN #devs #fedi #fediverseapp
Watch the show live:
#Owncast #Livestream - https://stream.firesidefedi.live
After the show:
#Peertube #VOD - https://video.firesidefedi.live
#Castopod #Fedicast - https://audio.firesidefedi.live
#Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/@btfree_org
All #Links - https://firesidefedi.live
#stream #interview #firesideFedi #FsF #people #peopleOverPlatforms #protocolsOverPlatforms #fedi #fediverse #open #internet #openInternet #podcast #show #episode #peertube #vod #castopod #writefreely #lemmy #boostplease #fedizen #btfree #bigTechFree #nonprofit #signup #tubeFree
If you're enjoying the show, please consider supporting our new nonprofit btfree.org at https://givebutter.com/btfree. We're currently running https://tubefree.org which is a moderated peertube open for signups right now! -
Good day all! Fireside Fedi Episode 59 starts NOW!
Special Guest: @gabboman @javascript
#WAFRN #devs #fedi #fediverseapp
Watch the show live:
#Owncast #Livestream - https://stream.firesidefedi.live
After the show:
#Peertube #VOD - https://video.firesidefedi.live
#Castopod #Fedicast - https://audio.firesidefedi.live
#Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/@btfree_org
All #Links - https://firesidefedi.live
#stream #interview #firesideFedi #FsF #people #peopleOverPlatforms #protocolsOverPlatforms #fedi #fediverse #open #internet #openInternet #podcast #show #episode #peertube #vod #castopod #writefreely #lemmy #boostplease #fedizen #btfree #bigTechFree #nonprofit #signup #tubeFree
If you're enjoying the show, please consider supporting our new nonprofit btfree.org at https://givebutter.com/btfree. We're currently running https://tubefree.org which is a moderated peertube open for signups right now! -
Okay good people. This is a Mastodon mobile app question.
I am moving from the Google ecosystem (referred to as Hell henceforth) to Apple (not quite heaven but close enough.)
The Hell app remembers my place and allows me to pickup reading posts from where I left denoted by the “view more” bar. This bar expands posts upward allowing me to continue reading oldest to newest.
Is there no such functionality in the iOS app? I’ve looked and looked but there is nothing. The app settings are rudimentary at best.
Is the #Apple ecosystem #mastodon purgatory. #FediverseApp #mastodonapp
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@raccoonforfriendicaapp This weekend I took some time to investigate how much work would be needed to build an iOS version of the app, and it turned out that at least building and running a basic version of the app is doable with some minor changes (see here).
What do you think about it? Would you like to see a Raccoon on iOS too?
#friendica #friendicadev #androidapp #androiddev #fediverseapp #raccoonforfriendica #kotlin #multiplatform #kmp #compose #cmp #opensource #foss #procyonproject
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@raccoonforfriendicaapp This weekend I took some time to investigate how much work would be needed to build an iOS version of the app, and it turned out that at least building and running a basic version of the app is doable with some minor changes (see here).
What do you think about it? Would you like to see a Raccoon on iOS too?
#friendica #friendicadev #androidapp #androiddev #fediverseapp #raccoonforfriendica #kotlin #multiplatform #kmp #compose #cmp #opensource #foss #procyonproject
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ugh, moved to Safari to view mastodon because chrome has no audio for videos. I'm not liking how Safari handles this website. In advanced web view the home column jumps when updating and the notifications column doesn't update unless I refresh the page. The hunt for the right browser continues. Or app.
What Computer app has the best interface for viewing multiple columns? (a la Tweetdeck)
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ugh, moved to Safari to view mastodon because chrome has no audio for videos. I'm not liking how Safari handles this website. In advanced web view the home column jumps when updating and the notifications column doesn't update unless I refresh the page. The hunt for the right browser continues. Or app.
What Computer app has the best interface for viewing multiple columns? (a la Tweetdeck)
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@raccoonforfriendicaapp version 0.4.1 has been finally released! I was waiting to fix a couple of old issues but I realized I was keeping people waiting too much since almost 2 months had passed since the previous stable version.
If you were on the latest beta, the only new feature is the possibility to see in every timeline the "source platform" each post is coming from (Friendica, Mastodon, Lemmy, Misskey/Sharkey, Pleroma/Akkoma, Kbin/Mbin, WordPress, GNU Social, Pixelfed, Peertube, GoToSocial, Diaspora, generic ActivityPub and more are coming).
If you were using 0.4.0 there are a ton of improvements, the most important of which are:
- feat: add per-user rate limits;
- feat: suggest hashtags while typing;
- feat: swipe navigation between posts;
- feat: exclude stop words from timelines;
- feat: add shortcuts to other instances ("guest mode");
- feat: open post detail as thread;
- feat: post translation;
- feat: followed hashtag indication;
- feat: show source protocol for posts;
- enhancement: support for embedded images.
This version is also available in the production track on Google Play, so you don't have to participate in the beta program any more to get it.
Let me know what you think about it, enjoy your weekend and as always #livefasteattrash
#friendica #friendicadev #androidapp #androiddev #fediverseapp #raccoonforfriendica #kotlin #multiplatform #kmp #compose #cmp #opensource #foss #procyonproject
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@raccoonforfriendicaapp version 0.4.1 has been finally released! I was waiting to fix a couple of old issues but I realized I was keeping people waiting too much since almost 2 months had passed since the previous stable version.
If you were on the latest beta, the only new feature is the possibility to see in every timeline the "source platform" each post is coming from (Friendica, Mastodon, Lemmy, Misskey/Sharkey, Pleroma/Akkoma, Kbin/Mbin, WordPress, GNU Social, Pixelfed, Peertube, GoToSocial, Diaspora, generic ActivityPub and more are coming).
If you were using 0.4.0 there are a ton of improvements, the most important of which are:
- feat: add per-user rate limits;
- feat: suggest hashtags while typing;
- feat: swipe navigation between posts;
- feat: exclude stop words from timelines;
- feat: add shortcuts to other instances ("guest mode");
- feat: open post detail as thread;
- feat: post translation;
- feat: followed hashtag indication;
- feat: show source protocol for posts;
- enhancement: support for embedded images.
This version is also available in the production track on Google Play, so you don't have to participate in the beta program any more to get it.
Let me know what you think about it, enjoy your weekend and as always #livefasteattrash
#friendica #friendicadev #androidapp #androiddev #fediverseapp #raccoonforfriendica #kotlin #multiplatform #kmp #compose #cmp #opensource #foss #procyonproject
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@Stefan Tifa Allerdings müßte auch eine native Mobil-App für Hubzilla fully featured sein, damit Hubzilla-Nutzer auch ja niemals das Webinterface brauchen, egal, was sie mit Hubzilla machen wollen.
Diese App wäre ein absolutes Monster. Ich vergleiche sowas gerne mit FairEmail für Android, und eine vollausgestattete Hubzilla-App, die wirklich alle irgendwie mit Hubzilla möglichen Use-Cases abdeckt, wäre noch komplexer. Erschwerend käme hinzu, daß sie je nachdem, welche Apps im Kanal aktiviert sind und wie der Kanal selbst konfiguriert ist, immer mal anders aussehen kann.
Ohne Anspruch auf Vollständigkeit bräuchte es also:- einen HQ-artigen Startbereich, von dem aus man überall hinkommt
- einen Konfigurationsbereich, in dem man auch all das erreicht, was im Webinterface nur über Zahnräder oder
/settings/featureserreichbar ist - einen voll ausgestatteten Kontrollbereich für Kanäle auf dem Konto und Klone
- einen Verbindungsmanager mit allen Features, die es auch im Webinterface gibt, mit einer verständlicheren Anzeige dafür, was der jeweilige Kontakt einem erlaubt, und inklusive Shortcut zu den Verbindungseinstellungen (oder wahlweise dem einen Schalter, der Filter pro Verbindungen aktiviert, zusätzlich zum Konfigurationsbereich gleich mit im Verbindungsmanager), zum Privacy-Group-Manager (wenn die Privacy-Groups-App aktiviert ist) und zur Konfiguration für Contact Roles
- (wenn die Privacy-Groups-App aktiviert ist) einen zusätzlichen Manager für Privacy Groups und deren Mitglieder und auch hier wieder einem Auswahlfeld für die Privacy Group, zu der man standardmäßig postet
- einen voll ausgestatteten Konfigurationsbereich für Contact Roles, der auch direkt aus dem Verbindungsmanager erreichbar ist und von dem aus man auch die Einstellungen für Kanalrolle und kanalweite Berechtigungen und, wenn die Kanalrolle "Custom ist", direkt die Einstellungen für die Custom-Kanalrolle erreicht
- (wenn die Default-Permissions-App aktiviert ist) einen Konfigurationsbereich für Standardberechtigungen für neue Verbindungen zusätzlich zu Contact Roles
- das Verzeichnis inklusive Vorschlagsmodus und jeweils mindestens denselben Filtermöglichkeiten, die es auch im Webinterface gibt
- (wenn die Channel-Sources-App aktiviert ist) einen Manager für Kanalquellen
- den Kanal inklusive vollausgestattetem Post-Editor, der Buttons für alle, aber auch wirklich alle BBcode-Funktionen in Hubzilla hat und je nach aktivierten Apps auch deren Features mit eingebaut bekommt (idealerweise gleich mit einem Dialog zum Einbetten von Bildern, in dem man auch ein Bild hochladen, den Speicherort des Bildes auswählen, im Filespace Unterverzeichnisse beliebiger Tiefe anlegen, die Rechte der Bilddatei und aller Verzeichnisse im Pfad anpassen, die angezeigte Größe auswählen und einen Alt-Text eintragen kann, denn friemel mal auf einem iPhone-Touchscreen BBcode zurecht)
- den Stream inklusive derselben konfigurierbaren Filtermöglichkeiten wie im Web-Interface und wieder dem vollausgestatteten Post-Editor
- idealerweise sogar separaten vorgefilterten Streams, die man in der App konfigurieren kann, um den Stream selbst nicht zu komplex werden und zu sehr mit Bedienelementen überfrachten zu müssen
- am besten jeweils einen schnell erreichbaren eigenen Stream für jedes verbundene Forum
- (wenn die Chat-App aktiviert ist) komplette Chat-Funktionalität
- einen Profileditor, der darauf reagiert, wenn erweiterte Profile aktiviert sind, und sowohl das Hinzufügen von zusätzlichen Profilfeldern als auch schon vorhandene zusätzliche Profilfelder unterstützt, inklusive Shortcut zum Konfigurieren des Profils/der Profile
- einen Dateimanager für den Filespace, der nicht nur sämtliche Features des Webinterface inklusive Rechtemanagement und schnellem Zugang zum dazugehörigen Konfigurationsbereich hat, sondern auch die schnelle und einfache Anbindung des Filespace ans Smartphone per WebDAV ermöglicht
- einen Extra-Dateimanager im Stil der Photo-App für die Behandlung von Bildern
- (entweder wenn die Gallery-App aktiviert ist oder dauerhaft aktiviert) eine Bildergalerie
- (wenn die Tokens-App aktiviert ist) einen Manager für Gastzugänge
- einen Kalenderbereich, der sowohl den Eventkalender des Kanals behandeln als auch CalDAV-Kalender managen und behandeln kann; beim Behandeln von Ereignissen in einem CalDAV-Kalender erscheinen auf der Oberfläche zusätzlich all diejenigen Features, die CalDAV-Kalender haben können, die Hubzillas Eventkalender nicht hat (z. B. kann man dann Termine anlegen, die sich jeweils am letzten Dienstag im Monat wiederholen, und so); dazu dann die schnelle und einfache Anbindung von CalDAV-Kalendern an den Kalender des Smartphone mit nur einem Tap
- (wenn die CardDAV-App aktiviert ist) ein vollausgestattetes Frontend zum Bearbeiten von Kontakten auf dem CalDAV-Server inklusive schneller und einfacher Anbindung des CalDAV-Servers an das Adreßbuch des Smartphone mit nur einem Tap
- (wenn die Bookmarks-App aktiviert ist) einen Manager für Lesezeichen
- (wenn die Superblock-App aktiviert ist) einen Manager für Superblock
- (wenn die NSFW-App aktiviert ist) einen Bereich für die NSFW-Filterliste, alternativ eine NSFW-Filterliste direkt unter den beiden kanalweiten Filterlisten
- (wenn die Notes-App aktiviert ist) einen schnell von überallher erreichbaren Notizbereich
- (wenn die Articles-App aktiviert ist) einen Artikelbereich inklusive Editor, der nicht minder ausgestattet ist als der Posteditor
- (wenn die Cards-App aktiviert ist) einen Editor und Manager für Planungskarten; der Editor darf nicht minder ausgestattet sein als der Posteditor
- (wenn die Wiki-App aktiviert ist) einen Bereich für Wikis mit einem Editor, der zusätzlich zu allen Features des Posteditors Unterstützung für Markdown hinzufügt, idealerweise ebenso Assistenzfunktionen z. B. zum Generieren und Aktualisieren von Inhaltsverzeichnissen auf Wiki-Seiten
- (wenn die Webpages-App aktiviert ist) einen Manager und Editor für Webseiten auf dem Kanal inklusive Vorschau, wobei der Editor neben BBcode auch volle Unterstützung für Markdown und HTML hat
- (wenn die jeweiligen Apps aktiviert sind) alle Import- und Exportmöglichkeiten des Webinterface
- einen PDL-Editor mit Code und GUI, um von der App aus einstellen zu können, wie andere Leute das Webinterface des eigenen Kanals sehen, inklusive Vorschau
- generell Unterstützung für alle offiziellen Apps (vielleicht mit Ausnahme von Calc, außer es braucht unbedingt einen in die Hubzilla-App eingebauten Taschenrechner)
- einen voll ausgestatteten App-Manager zum Aktivieren, Deaktivieren und Konfigurieren von Apps, der auch Dritt-Apps behandeln kann, wenn es denn welche gibt, und natürlich auch erkennt, welche Apps auf welchem Hub verfügbar sind
- vielleicht sogar Schalter zum Aktivieren und Deaktivieren gewisser Apps an Orten, wo sie Sinn ergeben (z. B. für die Privacy-Groups-App und die Channel-Sources-App im Verbindungsmanager), mit Shortcuts zu den jeweiligen Apps, wenn sie aktiviert sind
- einen "Übersetzer", der die Webinterfaces von hypothetischen Dritt-Apps umwandelt in Bereiche in der Mobil-App mit nativem Mobil-Interface und sie so nutzbar macht
- einen voll ausgestatteten Administrationsbereich für diejenigen, die einen eigenen privaten oder öffentlichen Hub betreiben, aber keinen Computer haben, sondern nur ein Smartphone
- automatische Spiegelung der Online-Hilfe in die App
Das wäre schon brutal viel für eine Desktopanwendung. Aber wir reden hier von einer iPhone- und Android-App, die, um für diejenigen gut benutzbar zu sein, die nicht vom PC kommen, sogar noch umfangreicher sein muß als das Webinterface.
Sehr viel einfacher zu benutzen wäre sie auch nicht, das heißt, Hubzillas Lernkurve würde sie nicht wesentlich abflachen.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hubzilla #App #iOSApp #iPhoneApp #AndroidApp #SmartphoneApp #FediverseApp -
@raccoonforfriendicaapp version 0.4.1-beta11 has been released yesterday and is available for testing.
Its "latest and greatest" are:
- tags in post headers in your timeline (if that post is included due to you following one orore hashtags);
- new post detail layout which makes it easier to view relationships between posts and replies and load more replies on demand.The initial depth of nesting (higher values imply loading will be less performant, lower values imply you'll see more often the "load more replies" button due to threads being partially downloaded).
It is the best I can do with the current Mastodon APIs but it looks ok-ish and, which is more important to the user who asked for this feature I guess, it makes it easier to follow conversations.
Let me know what you think, and if I accidentally broke anything and in the meantime, as usual, #livefasteattrash
#friendica #friendicadev #androidapp #androiddev #fediverseapp #raccoonforfriendica #kotlin #multiplatform #kmp #compose #cmp #opensource #foss #procyonproject
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@raccoonforfriendicaapp version 0.4.1-beta11 has been released yesterday and is available for testing.
Its "latest and greatest" are:
- tags in post headers in your timeline (if that post is included due to you following one orore hashtags);
- new post detail layout which makes it easier to view relationships between posts and replies and load more replies on demand.The initial depth of nesting (higher values imply loading will be less performant, lower values imply you'll see more often the "load more replies" button due to threads being partially downloaded).
It is the best I can do with the current Mastodon APIs but it looks ok-ish and, which is more important to the user who asked for this feature I guess, it makes it easier to follow conversations.
Let me know what you think, and if I accidentally broke anything and in the meantime, as usual, #livefasteattrash
#friendica #friendicadev #androidapp #androiddev #fediverseapp #raccoonforfriendica #kotlin #multiplatform #kmp #compose #cmp #opensource #foss #procyonproject
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@raccoonforfriendicaapp version 0.4.1-beta10 has been released and is available for testing in the Play store (or in Obtainium if you prefer installing directly from GitHub)!
Apart from the usual localization and dependency updates, this version contains several improvements for embedded images and, if you are using Friendica, you will also be able to insert embedded images within your post body (as opposed to regular attachments). This can benefit those who want to create larger posts with several illustrations.
Let me know what you think about it and, as always, #livefasteattrash
#friendicadev #androidapp #androiddev #fediverseapp #kotlin #multiplatform #kmp #compose #cmp #opensource #foss #procyonproject
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@raccoonforfriendicaapp version 0.4.1-beta10 has been released and is available for testing in the Play store (or in Obtainium if you prefer installing directly from GitHub)!
Apart from the usual localization and dependency updates, this version contains several improvements for embedded images and, if you are using Friendica, you will also be able to insert embedded images within your post body (as opposed to regular attachments). This can benefit those who want to create larger posts with several illustrations.
Let me know what you think about it and, as always, #livefasteattrash
#friendicadev #androidapp #androiddev #fediverseapp #kotlin #multiplatform #kmp #compose #cmp #opensource #foss #procyonproject
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@raccoonforfriendicaapp I'm seeing a lot of new users from Google Play's statistics, even if the app is not yet in the production channel. Welcome everyone, I hope you'll enjoy #friendica and #raccoonforfriendica!
Thanks to all the translators who continued to work on the app UI and store description, your dedication is really appreciated. @Fitik @petrescatraian @TamilNeram @Ricky-Tigg
To old users, I've added two new big features: swipe navigation which allows you to navigate between posts from the conversation detail and the "shortcuts" section, where you can explore other instances and see their local timeline "as if" your were registered there. Plus, as usual, small fixes and enhancements listening to your continuous feedback.
Have a nice weekend and #livefasteattrash
#friendicadev #androidapp #androiddev #fediverseapp #kotlin #multiplatform #kmp #compose #cmp #opensource #foss #procyonproject
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@raccoonforfriendicaapp I'm seeing a lot of new users from Google Play's statistics, even if the app is not yet in the production channel. Welcome everyone, I hope you'll enjoy #friendica and #raccoonforfriendica!
Thanks to all the translators who continued to work on the app UI and store description, your dedication is really appreciated. @Fitik @petrescatraian @TamilNeram @Ricky-Tigg
To old users, I've added two new big features: swipe navigation which allows you to navigate between posts from the conversation detail and the "shortcuts" section, where you can explore other instances and see their local timeline "as if" your were registered there. Plus, as usual, small fixes and enhancements listening to your continuous feedback.
Have a nice weekend and #livefasteattrash
#friendicadev #androidapp #androiddev #fediverseapp #kotlin #multiplatform #kmp #compose #cmp #opensource #foss #procyonproject
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Would it be horrible to have a Fediverse application enforce a specific tag format to make it "universally useful"?
(i.e. making it easier for people to find what they actually want to subscribe to/filter out...)
Asking for a developer 😉
#fediverse #FediverseApp #hashtags #programming #developer #devops
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Would it be horrible to have a Fediverse application enforce a specific tag format to make it "universally useful"?
(i.e. making it easier for people to find what they actually want to subscribe to/filter out...)
Asking for a developer 😉
#fediverse #FediverseApp #hashtags #programming #developer #devops
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@raccoonforfriendicaapp We finally did it: we got access to the production channel on Google Play! A big and heartfelt "thank you" to all those who participated in the closed test program, without you this would have been impossible! 🦝❤️
The latest beta has been promoted to the "open testing" track, so that now everyone can become a tester and install the latest beta, which is a preview of the next stable release.
I'll wait until I improve notification support, so probably there is another month or so to wait. Keep an eye on the issue tracker to know what I'm working on, just in case 😉
To try the app, you can become a tester using this invitation link.
Your feedback is important, and now you'll have Google Play's reviews as an additional way to express your opinion. Let me know what you think and always #livefasteattrash
#friendica #friendicadev #androidapp #androiddev #fediverseapp #raccoonforfriendica #kotlin #multiplatform #kmp #compose #cmp #opensource #procyonproject
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@raccoonforfriendicaapp We finally did it: we got access to the production channel on Google Play! A big and heartfelt "thank you" to all those who participated in the closed test program, without you this would have been impossible! 🦝❤️
The latest beta has been promoted to the "open testing" track, so that now everyone can become a tester and install the latest beta, which is a preview of the next stable release.
I'll wait until I improve notification support, so probably there is another month or so to wait. Keep an eye on the issue tracker to know what I'm working on, just in case 😉
To try the app, you can become a tester using this invitation link.
Your feedback is important, and now you'll have Google Play's reviews as an additional way to express your opinion. Let me know what you think and always #livefasteattrash
#friendica #friendicadev #androidapp #androiddev #fediverseapp #raccoonforfriendica #kotlin #multiplatform #kmp #compose #cmp #opensource #procyonproject
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@raccoonforfriendicaapp version 0.4.0-beta05 available for testing!
This is mainly a maintenance/bugfix release with no brand new features, just:
- chore(l10n): translation updates;
- fix(10n): format specifier used in hashtag list;
- chore(qa): add more unit tests;
- chore: add mentions of new contributors.I'm setting up the process to be able to distribute the app on Google Play too. If you are willing to help, we need a minimum number of people to participate in the closed testing program for two weeks before releasing to production. To enroll, first join this group with the same email address you are going to use on Google Play, then download the app using this invitation link.
Any help is highly appreciated! #livefasteatrash
#procyonproject #raccoonforfriendica #fediverseapp #friendica #friendicadev #mobileapp #mobiledev #kotlin #kmp #compose #opensource #foss #sideproject
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@raccoonforfriendicaapp version 0.4.0-beta05 available for testing!
This is mainly a maintenance/bugfix release with no brand new features, just:
- chore(l10n): translation updates;
- fix(10n): format specifier used in hashtag list;
- chore(qa): add more unit tests;
- chore: add mentions of new contributors.I'm setting up the process to be able to distribute the app on Google Play too. If you are willing to help, we need a minimum number of people to participate in the closed testing program for two weeks before releasing to production. To enroll, first join this group with the same email address you are going to use on Google Play, then download the app using this invitation link.
Any help is highly appreciated! #livefasteatrash
#procyonproject #raccoonforfriendica #fediverseapp #friendica #friendicadev #mobileapp #mobiledev #kotlin #kmp #compose #opensource #foss #sideproject
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@raccoonforfriendicaapp new version 0.4.0-beta04 available for testing!
Changelog:
- fix for a bug after adding/removing a post to favorites which led to lose custom emojis;
- fix spacing between post and reply placeholders when using the new Card layout;
- fix a minor accessibility issue with the new audio player;
- fix crash when rendering some HTML posts;
- fix "floating" (overlapping) images for embedded contents;
- localization updates (included support for upcoming Romanian translation);
- library updates.I think we are almost ready for the 0.4 version. In the meantime I've submitted both Raccoon apps to Google Play so I may be needed some volunteers to participate in the closed testing program before the apps can be made available to the general public.
Happy New Year and remember to #livefasteatrash
#procyonproject #raccoonforfriendica #fediverseapp #friendica #friendicadev #mobileapp #mobiledev #kotlin #kmp #compose #opensource #foss #sideproject
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@raccoonforfriendicaapp new version 0.4.0-beta04 available for testing!
Changelog:
- fix for a bug after adding/removing a post to favorites which led to lose custom emojis;
- fix spacing between post and reply placeholders when using the new Card layout;
- fix a minor accessibility issue with the new audio player;
- fix crash when rendering some HTML posts;
- fix "floating" (overlapping) images for embedded contents;
- localization updates (included support for upcoming Romanian translation);
- library updates.I think we are almost ready for the 0.4 version. In the meantime I've submitted both Raccoon apps to Google Play so I may be needed some volunteers to participate in the closed testing program before the apps can be made available to the general public.
Happy New Year and remember to #livefasteatrash
#procyonproject #raccoonforfriendica #fediverseapp #friendica #friendicadev #mobileapp #mobiledev #kotlin #kmp #compose #opensource #foss #sideproject
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@raccoonforfriendicaapp do you want to try the new "Card" layout for posts? All you have to do is downloading version 0.4.0-beta02 and try it out! Using Compose Multiplatform, customizing UI is as easy as eating a piece of cake.
This version also contains a fix for the search text field which was not scrollable horizontally when its content exceeded the available width, plus some localization updates.
We're reaching towards the 0.4.0 milestone, just another feature (audio playback) and then it'll be ready to go!
#livefasteatrash #procyonproject #raccoonforfriendica #fediverseapp #friendica #friendicadev #mobileapp #mobiledev #kotlin #kmp #compose #opensource #foss #sideproject
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@raccoonforfriendicaapp do you want to try the new "Card" layout for posts? All you have to do is downloading version 0.4.0-beta02 and try it out! Using Compose Multiplatform, customizing UI is as easy as eating a piece of cake.
This version also contains a fix for the search text field which was not scrollable horizontally when its content exceeded the available width, plus some localization updates.
We're reaching towards the 0.4.0 milestone, just another feature (audio playback) and then it'll be ready to go!
#livefasteatrash #procyonproject #raccoonforfriendica #fediverseapp #friendica #friendicadev #mobileapp #mobiledev #kotlin #kmp #compose #opensource #foss #sideproject
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@raccoonforfriendicaapp new version 0.4.0-beta01 available for testing!
Changelog:
- feat: add "Distraction free" post layout;
- feat: add "Compact" post layout;
- feat: implement post dislike action;
- fix: retrieve post source for editing even for plain text;
- chore: translations update;
- chore: update dependencies.Moreover, let me wish everyone happy holidays and remember to #livefasteattrash on Christmas and New Year's Eve.
A special and heartfelt acknowledgement goes to all the contributors of the #raccoonforfriendica project, people who helped with code, translations, bug reports, ideas for improvements, design, roadmap and in many other ways. Remember that this wouldn't have been the same without your contributions, and the fact that people who don't know each other (and don't even speak the same language) can meet and create something together is one of the best things of the free and open source model.
Hope we can continue in this direction next year. Thank you everyone, you are awesome ❤️🦝🎄
#friendica #friendicadev #androidapp #androiddev #fediverseapp #raccoonforfriendica #kotlin #multiplatform #kmp #compose #cmp #opensource #procyonproject
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@raccoonforfriendicaapp new version 0.4.0-beta01 available for testing!
Changelog:
- feat: add "Distraction free" post layout;
- feat: add "Compact" post layout;
- feat: implement post dislike action;
- fix: retrieve post source for editing even for plain text;
- chore: translations update;
- chore: update dependencies.Moreover, let me wish everyone happy holidays and remember to #livefasteattrash on Christmas and New Year's Eve.
A special and heartfelt acknowledgement goes to all the contributors of the #raccoonforfriendica project, people who helped with code, translations, bug reports, ideas for improvements, design, roadmap and in many other ways. Remember that this wouldn't have been the same without your contributions, and the fact that people who don't know each other (and don't even speak the same language) can meet and create something together is one of the best things of the free and open source model.
Hope we can continue in this direction next year. Thank you everyone, you are awesome ❤️🦝🎄
#friendica #friendicadev #androidapp #androiddev #fediverseapp #raccoonforfriendica #kotlin #multiplatform #kmp #compose #cmp #opensource #procyonproject
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@raccoonforfriendicaapp new version 0.3.4 has been released.
I'm sorry for having released multiple versions in so little time, this is an exception situation and is due to 0.3.2 not being available in F-Droid due to this issue.
The only way was to migrate to a different dependency injection framework and, if you wonder what happened, never use the Koin Annotations library if you want your builds to be reproducible!
Changelog:
- refactor(di): migrate from Koin to Kodein;
- chore(l10n): update German translation (thanks @cantences for your continuous improvements);
- chore: update dependencies.Hope this is the last release until next year and, with this, I wish everyone happy holidays 🎉🎄#livefasteattrash
#friendica #friendicadev #androidapp #androiddev #fediverseapp #raccoonforfriendica #kotlin #multiplatform #kmp #compose #cmp #opensource #procyonproject
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@raccoonforfriendicaapp new version 0.3.4 has been released.
I'm sorry for having released multiple versions in so little time, this is an exception situation and is due to 0.3.2 not being available in F-Droid due to this issue.
The only way was to migrate to a different dependency injection framework and, if you wonder what happened, never use the Koin Annotations library if you want your builds to be reproducible!
Changelog:
- refactor(di): migrate from Koin to Kodein;
- chore(l10n): update German translation (thanks @cantences for your continuous improvements);
- chore: update dependencies.Hope this is the last release until next year and, with this, I wish everyone happy holidays 🎉🎄#livefasteattrash
#friendica #friendicadev #androidapp #androiddev #fediverseapp #raccoonforfriendica #kotlin #multiplatform #kmp #compose #cmp #opensource #procyonproject
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@raccoonforfriendicaapp version 0.3.2 of Raccoon has been released! 🎉🦝🎉
Changelog:
- feat: add Acknowledgements screen;
- feat: support for block quotes;
- fix: prevent crashes while loading timeline;
- fix: load suggestions and trending links;
- fix: retrieve source for post editing;
- fix: user post pagination;
- fix: images overlapping text;
- fix: detect Friendica RC versions;
- enhancement: accessibility improvements;
- enhancement: post preview;
- enhancement: exclude replies from timeline by default;
- enhancement: make Markdown mode always available;
- enhancement: l10n updates.Thanks to all those who helped by testing and reporting bugs, submitting pull requests or translating the UI. You are mentioned in the home page and, from now, also in a dedicated screen which can be accessed from the "App information" dialog.
You are simply awesome #livefasteattrash
#friendica #friendicadev #androidapp #androiddev #fediverseapp #raccoonforfriendica #kotlin #multiplatform #kmp #compose #cmp #opensource #procyonproject
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@raccoonforfriendicaapp version 0.3.2 of Raccoon has been released! 🎉🦝🎉
Changelog:
- feat: add Acknowledgements screen;
- feat: support for block quotes;
- fix: prevent crashes while loading timeline;
- fix: load suggestions and trending links;
- fix: retrieve source for post editing;
- fix: user post pagination;
- fix: images overlapping text;
- fix: detect Friendica RC versions;
- enhancement: accessibility improvements;
- enhancement: post preview;
- enhancement: exclude replies from timeline by default;
- enhancement: make Markdown mode always available;
- enhancement: l10n updates.Thanks to all those who helped by testing and reporting bugs, submitting pull requests or translating the UI. You are mentioned in the home page and, from now, also in a dedicated screen which can be accessed from the "App information" dialog.
You are simply awesome #livefasteattrash
#friendica #friendicadev #androidapp #androiddev #fediverseapp #raccoonforfriendica #kotlin #multiplatform #kmp #compose #cmp #opensource #procyonproject
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@raccoonforfriendicaapp Finally we have a Weblate project for the translations of the app UI, changelogs and metadata. Hope this will help us all create a better user experience and correct some localization mistakes!
#raccoonforfriendica #procyonproject #foss #opensource #friendica #fediverseapp
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@raccoonforfriendicaapp Finally we have a Weblate project for the translations of the app UI, changelogs and metadata. Hope this will help us all create a better user experience and correct some localization mistakes!
#raccoonforfriendica #procyonproject #foss #opensource #friendica #fediverseapp
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@raccoonforfriendicaapp version 0.3.1 has been released!
Here is a summary of the changes:
- feat: add profile recovery screen;
- fix: review inline content alternate text;
- fix: strip off HTML before editing posts;
- enhancement: improve timeline a11y;
- enhancement: add friendica.myportal.social to default instances;
- chore: add unit tests for content pagination and repositories;
- chore: dependency updates.This is mostly a bugfix release dealing with the most annoying issues you reported (e.g. the lack of management for expired tokens, accessibility issues, post editing with markup). Plus, since I've been adding a lot of unit tests, some minor bugs (e.g. direct messages pagination) were resolved too.
I'll keep populating the backlog with what you report and I'll continue to add tests to increase coverage.
Remember to #livefasteattrash!
#friendica #friendicadev #androidapp #androiddev #fediverseapp #raccoonforfriendica #kotlin #multiplatform #kmp #compose #cmp #opensource #procyonproject
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@raccoonforfriendicaapp version 0.3.1 has been released!
Here is a summary of the changes:
- feat: add profile recovery screen;
- fix: review inline content alternate text;
- fix: strip off HTML before editing posts;
- enhancement: improve timeline a11y;
- enhancement: add friendica.myportal.social to default instances;
- chore: add unit tests for content pagination and repositories;
- chore: dependency updates.This is mostly a bugfix release dealing with the most annoying issues you reported (e.g. the lack of management for expired tokens, accessibility issues, post editing with markup). Plus, since I've been adding a lot of unit tests, some minor bugs (e.g. direct messages pagination) were resolved too.
I'll keep populating the backlog with what you report and I'll continue to add tests to increase coverage.
Remember to #livefasteattrash!
#friendica #friendicadev #androidapp #androiddev #fediverseapp #raccoonforfriendica #kotlin #multiplatform #kmp #compose #cmp #opensource #procyonproject
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@raccoonforfriendicaapp version 0.3.0 has been released!
I summarize the changelogs of 0.3.0 and 0.2.1 (because maybe you missed that patch):
- feat: possibility received text and images from other apps and create post;
- feat: add possibility to change system status/navigation bar theme;
- feat: add support for announcements (Mastodon);
- fix: settings load for anonymous users;
- fix: notification type serialization for filtering and push subscription;
- fix: poll footer layout;
- fix: make user names/handles clickable;
- enhancement: change “Send" button position in post creation;
- enhancement: change open circle/list in circle management screen;
- enhancement: make legacy login less visible;
- chore: add description for non-textual UI elements;
- chore: add new l10ns (ua, fi);
- chore: add more unit tests and coverage report;
- chore: update dependencies.Hope you are having fun on Friendica (or Mastodon) and as always #livefasteattrash
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@raccoonforfriendicaapp version 0.3.0 has been released!
I summarize the changelogs of 0.3.0 and 0.2.1 (because maybe you missed that patch):
- feat: possibility received text and images from other apps and create post;
- feat: add possibility to change system status/navigation bar theme;
- feat: add support for announcements (Mastodon);
- fix: settings load for anonymous users;
- fix: notification type serialization for filtering and push subscription;
- fix: poll footer layout;
- fix: make user names/handles clickable;
- enhancement: change “Send" button position in post creation;
- enhancement: change open circle/list in circle management screen;
- enhancement: make legacy login less visible;
- chore: add description for non-textual UI elements;
- chore: add new l10ns (ua, fi);
- chore: add more unit tests and coverage report;
- chore: update dependencies.Hope you are having fun on Friendica (or Mastodon) and as always #livefasteattrash
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@raccoonforfriendicaapp a new version 0.2.0 has been released.
Changelog:
🦝 feat: add support for MastodonRedirect;
🦝 feat: export/import app settings to/from JSON;
🦝 feat: export contact list from profile;
🦝 feat: allow changing markup mode in post creation;
🦝 fix: retain scrolling state after navigation;
🦝 fix: newlines after titles in Markdown preview;
🦝 fix: avoid self mention when replying;
🦝 fix: retrieve source to edit post;
🦝 enhancement: populate current app icon value in settings;
🦝 chore: update manual and project documentation;
🦝 chore: typo in Fastlane metadata.For those who have lost it, there has been a 0.1.1 in the meantime, which was mainly due to a metadata issue which blocked the submission on F-Droid, but it also included:
🦝 feat: add support for alternate (classic) and monochrome app icon;
🦝 fix: rendering images of different heights in carousels;
🦝 fix: rendering GIFs (or images with unbound constraints).After the app gets published on the stores, we're going to move towards a more predictable release cycle (e.g. monthly stable versions and weekly betas).
Hope you are having fun on Friendica (or Mastodon) and as always #livefasteattrash
#friendica #friendicadev #androidapp #androiddev #fediverseapp #kotlin #multiplatform #kmp #compose #opensource #foss #procyonproject