#algorithmicmimicry — Public Fediverse posts

RE: https://mastodon.social/@bruces/117065178931345293

Most importantly though: they are not real agents in the way actual living agents are... so definitely *not* "human-like."

https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.07515

Seems like we're determined to repeat neo-classical economics' mistakes all over again, at the "agent"-based modeling level.

Hooray.

#AI is #AlgorithmicMimicry

RE: https://mamot.fr/@pluralistic/117030722733400110

#AI #dualism: it may walk like a duck, and quack like a duck, but you sure as hell can't make canard à l'orange from it...

Prediction is not understanding, even if they may superficially look like each other.

I call what @pluralistic describes #AlgorithmicMimicry.

More here: https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.07515

And if you still need arguments against sentient AI, I got you covered here:

https://open.substack.com/pub/lovephilosophy/p/the-cyborg-myth

#AI is #AlgorithmicMimicry

If #LLMs are conscious, so is Age of Empires II.

Or: sentience from (virtual) goats.

Original paper by Adrian de Wynter:
https://arxiv.org/abs/2605.31514

Summary by @404mediaco here:
https://www.404media.co/if-ai-is-sentient-then-so-is-age-of-empires-ii

#AI is #AlgorithmicMimicry

RE: https://mathstodon.xyz/@gregeganSF/116689984437258435

The great Ted Chiang on why LLMs are not (and won't ever be) conscious.

"We don’t need to fully understand the nature of consciousness to definitively say that certain things are not conscious, and conversational transcripts fall in that category."

#AI is #AlgorithmicMimicry

RE: https://mas.to/@RichardJMurphy/116514876745724838

All that is left is hoarding money and extracting rent, but "what matters now is the capability of people, which is the very thing that neoliberalism wants to destroy."

#AI is #AlgorithmicMimicry, a tool that could be used for #IntelligenceAugmentation (IA), but instead is used to maximize extraction and destruction.

I'm positively surprised to see so much sense coming out of #Google #Deepmind, for a change. What's going on?

I've made a closely related argument earlier:

https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.07515

There are good logical and organizational reasons why living beings are sentient, but algorithmic systems can never be.

#AI is #AlgorithmicMimicry

"We argue [computational functionalism] fundamentally mischaracterizes how physics relates to information. We call this mistake the #AbstractionFallacy. Tracing the causal origins of abstraction reveals that symbolic computation is not an intrinsic physical process. Instead, it is a mapmaker-dependent description. It requires an active, experiencing cognitive agent to alphabetize continuous physics into a finite set of meaningful states."

https://deepmind.google/research/publications/231971

#AI is #AlgorithmicMimicry

RE: https://masto.ai/@discoverflux/116171948103936275

This was so much fun! Quite the ramble. Thanks, @mattsheffield for having me on!

Computationalist transhumanism is scientific Trumpism.

#AI is #AlgorithmicMimicry

Due to recent events, it's more important than ever to realize that AI "agents" are not, and won't ever be, proper agents:

https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.07515

#AI is #AlgorithmicMimicry

#OpenClaw #Moltbook are #AlgorithmicMimicry on #Steroids

#OpenClaw and #Moltbook are not "the first step towards the singularity" unless that singularity involves us all drowning in nonsense and asocial behavior: https://theshamblog.com/an-ai-agent-published-a-hit-piece-on-me.

Any sane and sustainable society would legislate malicious fake personalities out of existence. With draconic measures.

Shows you just how far we are from a sane and sustainable society.

#AI is #AlgorithmicMimicry on #steroids now...

I didn't expect #WillIAm (of #BlackEyedPeas fame) to have one of the best takes on AI vs. human creativity. But here we are:

https://youtu.be/vWQrC-lG8FQ&t=546

"imagination regurgitation" and a total lack of judgment...

#AI is #AlgorithmicMimicry

RE: https://mastodon.social/@h4ckernews/115938865404119323

No shit, Sherlock. And good luck!

#AI is #AlgorithmicMimicry

@anilkseth

And, most important of all: generating conscious AI would be a really, really stupid and irresponsible thing to do.

Where I still disagree: #AlgorithmicMimicry is also *not* real intelligence. True intelligence not only solves, but *frames* problems.

But that's a minor quibble.

This is going in exactly the right direction...

But it misses one additional and fundamentally important point: true agency, judgment, creativity, and imagination are only possible if you are a self-manufacturing living system that has to invest physical work into your own continued existence; you can't get these things in an algorithmic framework:

https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.07515

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2024.1362658/full

#AI is #AlgorithmicMimicry

As I tend to say: you can create a perfect simulation of your bicycle, just by thinking systematically, but you still can't ride that simulation to work.

I'm amazed just how many otherwise intelligent people don't seem to understand this simple fact…

#AI is #AlgorithmicMimicry

Every time you say your chatbot
"thinks, reasons, means, understands, creates"
a little kitten dies.

And every time you say
"AI agent"
a whole species of cute furry animals goes extinct.

SO. JUST. DON'T!

Algorithms have no agency,
don't think, don't understand,
don't generate meaning,
are not creative.

And they never will.
#AI is #AlgorithmicMimicry

I explain it here: https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.07515

and in the UNDP2025 Report (see pictures below).

(Full report: https://hdr.undp.org/content/human-development-report-2025)

Today, the 2025 #UNDP Report was released, with a little spotlight by yours truly on "Humans have agency, algorithms do not" (pp. 36-38):

https://hdr.undp.org/content/human-development-report-2025

#AlgorithmicMimicry #AI #agency

𝗮𝗿𝘁∘𝗦𝗔𝗟𝗢𝗡∘𝘀𝗰𝗶𝗲𝗻𝗰𝗲

Sa. 26.4.2025, 16:00

Gallerie rauminhalt
Schleifmühlengasse 13, 1040 Wien

„𝗸𝗔𝗜𝗻𝗲 𝗜𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗹𝗹𝗶𝗴𝗲𝗻𝘇?“ – 𝗞ö𝗻𝗻𝗲𝗻 𝘄𝗶𝗿 𝗠𝗲𝗻𝘀𝗰𝗵𝗲𝗻 𝗱𝗮𝘀 𝗠𝗼𝗻𝗼𝗽𝗼𝗹 𝗮𝘂𝗳 𝗞𝗿𝗲𝗮𝘁𝗶𝘃𝗶𝘁ä𝘁 𝗵𝗮𝗹𝘁𝗲𝗻?

mit Tom Fürstner,
und Johannes Jäger.

#TheZoNE #PushingTheBoundaries #BeyondTheAgeOfMachines #AlgorithmicMimicry #AI #ArtScience

Hurrah! Mein erster Podcast auf Deutsch: "Interessante Zeiten" mit Tobias März.

KI, Metakrise und die Wissenschaft des 21. Jahrhunderts, alles in nur 2 Stunden!

https://youtu.be/3bGSadwU3gc

Eine ausführlichere Erklärung gibt es hier:

https://mailchi.mp/1a725fd8abfa/mein-interview-bei-veit-lindau-17231159?e=dd114c45d2

#BeyondTheAgeOfMachines #AlgorithmicMimicry

#KI: nicht intelligent. Endlich mal ein gescheiter Artikel im @derStandard zu diesem Thema!
https://www.derstandard.at/story/3000000261248/ki-gar-nicht-so-intelligent?ref=article

#AI is #AlgorithmicMimicry

Remember: "reasoning models" aren't reasoning. They just incorporate additional reinforcement learning after brute force training data fitting.

It's just a different kind of #AlgorithmicMimicry

https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.07515

This is *the* fundamental aspect of general intelligence. But algorithms cannot (and won't ever) be able to do this (by definition). This is why all talk about AGI is just bullshit.

#AI is #AlgorithmicMimicry

Been podcasting some more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU7bSiiBZaA

This time with Trent Fowler on #Futurati. We talk about organisms & algorithms and why we won't get #AGI from the latter.

#AI is #AlgorithmicMimicry

"... life can only be known by life." (Hans Jonas)

It's that simple. Algorithms will never have the properties of the living.

By any reasonable definition of "life" and "algorithm."

#AI is #AlgorithmicMimicry
https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.07515

The paper is officially out now: https://nbdt.scholasticahq.com/article/94404-artificial-intelligence-is-algorithmic-mimicry-why-artificial-agents-are-not-and-won-t-be-proper-agents

@nbdt_journal

#AI is #AlgorithmicMimicry

#AI is #AlgorithmicMimicry paper is accepted in @nbdt_journal!

Many thanks to Alex Gomez-Marin for editing!

Preprint available here: https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.07515.

Please help me make this argument heard above the din of the current AGI "debate."

Talks from the recent #Convergence2023 workshop at the Austrian Academy of Sciences are now online. My favorite was Amber Case. My own talk with Tarja Knuutila about why #AI is #AlgorithmicMimicry is also on the list. Go have a look!

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPpNV2SkU5oZTLbVvwtWH8jJ6vgIjMJwX

Machines won't take over the world, but we are giving away our agency to machines that have none.

Brief interview (in German) with yours truly at the end of the video.

#AI is #AlgorithmicMimicry
https://youtu.be/Cw93HN0o6OI?si=UHY552gyzFHh_uiw

Hive mind:

Where would you send something like this, to get visibility in #biology?

https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.07515

Also: despite being on the #AI arXiv section, I'm not getting any engagement.

Can anyone help getting this more traction? I think the argument is really original & important. It grounds a lot of the discussions about semantics in the biology of the organism.

#AI is #AlgorithmicMimicry