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  1. I have been thinking about payments on the Fediverse (for a while).

    Another factor to consider is — does a asset flow destination such as:

    @joeblow@example·com

    Eventually resolve to one concrete low-level asset flow address, or multiple?

    For example, when I go to a store, they accept loyalty points, cash, credit card, etc.

    There are pros and cons for both.

    RE: mastodon.social/@reiver/116449

    #AssetFlow #FediDev

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    As, software may want to resolve:

    flow:joeblow@example·com/a/b/c?d=e

    To:

    https;//host·example/some/prefix/a/b/c?d=e

    As an intermediary step.

    (For example, the low-level asset flow destination address or route could be in an HTTP header, or in the HTML <head> as a <meta /> or <link /> or <script>, etc.)

    RE: mastodon.social/@reiver/116449

    #AssetFlow #FediDev

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    I have been thinking about payments on the Fediverse (for a while).

    If we wanted to come up with a new URI scheme — basically something like acct URI with paths. I think we should also support URL queries, too.

    I think it will make (downstream) resolution steps easier.

    We'd have to pick a scheme now. For now, I'll just use "flow" for now.

    So this:

    @joeblow@example·com/a/b/c?d=e

    Would turn to:

    flow:joeblow@example·com/a/b/c?d=e

    As…

    RE: mastodon.social/@reiver/116449

    #AssetFlow #FediDev

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    So, that suggests we may need to create a new URI scheme for this.

    (Of course, I think we would still want a way to make it work with acct URIs, too, as a back-up. But the new URI scheme would be attempted first when trying to do a resolution.)

    RE: mastodon.social/@reiver/116449

    #AssetFlow #FediDev

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    So, if you wanted an alternative to acct URIs that include a path, what are our options.

    The closest thing I can remember to an acct URI with a path is:

    tag URIs (IETF RFC-4151)
    datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/

    (Tag URIs have nothing to do with hash-tags.)

    But, I don't think tag URIs would work for this use case. tag URIs require a date that I suspect doesn't make sense for this use case.

    So...

    RE: mastodon.social/@reiver/116449

    #AssetFlow #FediDev

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    Fediverse IDs get turned into acct URIs before they given to WebFinger.

    But, acct URIs don't support paths.

    So, what do you give WebFinger if you Fediverse ID has a path.

    As I mentioned before, either you (1) have to use some other type of URI with WebFinger, or (2) use an acct URI with WebFinger and have the path come into play at some point AFTER the WebFinger step.

    Or, do both. First trying №1, and if that fails trying №2.

    So...

    RE: mastodon.social/@reiver/116449

    #AssetFlow #FediDev

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    I have been thinking about payments on the Fediverse (for a while).

    Let's talk more about what you give WebFinger if you are trying to send an asset to a Fediverse ID with a path such as:

    @joeblow@example·com/prd123

    Or, the asset flow address is somethinglike:

    %joeblow@example·com/prd123

    (Assuming we use the "%" character as the prefix.)

    ...

    RE: mastodon.social/@reiver/116449

    #AssetFlow #FediDev

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    Do you somehow give that information to WebFinger?

    acct URIs don't support paths.

    So, either you (1) have to use some other type of URI with WebFinger, or (2) use an acct URI and have the path come into play at some point AFTER the WebFinger step.

    Or, could do both, trying №1 first, and if that fails, trying №2.

    RE: mastodon.social/@reiver/116449

    #AssetFlow #FediDev

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    What happens if you want to send it to a sub- asset flow destination. The exact notation for it is yet to be decided, but, what if the Fediverse'ish ID is somethinglike:

    @joeblow@example·com/prd123

    Or, the asset flow address is somethinglike:

    %joeblow@example·com/prd123

    (Assuming we use the "%" character as the prefix.)

    How is that resolved?...

    RE: mastodon.social/@reiver/116449

    #AssetFlow #FediDev

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    I have been thinking about payments on the Fediverse (for a while).

    If you want to send an asset to a Fediverse ID such as:

    @joeblow@example·com

    Or, and asset flow address such as:

    %joeblow@example·com

    (Assuming we use the "%" character as the prefix.)

    Then how to resolve that is straightforward.

    I.e., change it to an acct URI, run it through WebFinger, get the activity URL from the JRD WebFinger gave you, etc.

    But...

    RE: mastodon.social/@reiver/116449

    #AssetFlow #FediDev

  11. I have been thinking about payments on the Fediverse (for a while).

    Another thing I have been wondering about — should the asset flow destination address be a Fediverse ID such as:

    @joeblow@example·com

    Or maybe, should the first character change to something else. For example:

    %joeblow@example·com

    (Or some other character prefix.)

    There are pros and cons for doing it each way.

    (Could always support both.)

    RE: mastodon.social/@reiver/116446

    #AssetFlow #FediDev

  12. I have been thinking about payments on the Fediverse (for a while).

    One thing you'd want is to be a able to send an asset to a Fediverse ID.

    For example, send $5 to:

    @joeblow@example·com

    Resolving a Fediverse ID to something you can send an asset to is straight-forward.

    One challenge is, what if a user wants to have multiple destinations?

    What should the notation for that be?

    @joeblow@example·com/prd123

    @joeblow+prd123@example·com

    @joeblow@example·com?prd123

    #AssetFlow #FediDev

  13. The hash-tag to talk about Fediverse Payments is:

    #AssetFlow

    (It also includes transferring things that are non-money, too. Thus the generic name.)

    #FediForum #FediForum2026

  14. "Nowadays, if I want a book or song, there’s a good chance I can buy it online from the person who makes it, with no third party except the payment processor."

    We've technically decentralized media production/consumption and the attention machine. Of course we still need to make these systems easier and greatly increase adoption.

    But the money people still have us by the balls. That's really why creators aren't here yet.

    #interledger #gnutaler #AssetFlow #FediForFiat

    techcrunch.com/2012/07/28/stra